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Most women unlike most men are not sexually stimulated visually by such things as nude pictures in a magazine like Playboy. They are stimulated by thoughts and their imaginations. They get off on men who are somehow restrained or helpless before them. This is why the women who abused the naked and helpless male prisoners looked so excited and happy in the photos. They were enjoying to the hilt the female version of porn, restrained, helpless and sexually vulnerable men. This is why notorious high profile male prisoners inevitably get fan mail and offers for friendship and marriage from women they have never met. They are restrained to the max by the state prison system and many females find this sexually irresistable. To dismiss the behavior of these abusive female guards by saying they were just trying to fit in with the guys is as about as stupid as George Bush saying the reason for 9/11 was because some cultures are just jealous of our socalled freedoms!
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by Anonymous User on 11:31 AM May 25th, 2004 EST (#3)
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"as stupid as George Bush saying the reason for 9/11 was because some cultures are just jealous of our socalled freedoms!"
That is certainly one huge accurate factor in the equation, but not the entire picture. In fact, if you explore that one fact in detail you will see that it has many facets that lead to the other reasons.
You do make a good point about the female personality as it worked in the Abu Ghraib prison situation.
I could disparage Sen. Kerry, or Ralph Nader at length for deficiencies I perceive to be in them, but will refrain as I hope you will do also about President Bush, since this is not the place to engage in partisan politics, especially when it has nothing overtly to do with men's issues or gender issues.
R.
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by Anonymous User on 06:04 PM May 25th, 2004 EST (#10)
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If you look at his wen site, his stance is that he will "put government and the legal system back on the side of women."
WTF??
Ignoring for a moment the fact that this is already the case, since when is justice supposed to pick sides? So much for that whole impatiality thing. Kerry would happily eliminate the silly little notion of "justice for all" if it will help him garner a few votes among the ladies.
What a Bastard!
-hobbes
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by Anonymous User on 06:05 PM May 25th, 2004 EST (#11)
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"web," not "wen"
damn laptop keyboards.
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by Anonymous User on 03:38 PM May 26th, 2004 EST (#15)
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>""web" not "wen""
Welcome to my world. (^_^)
Anyway, I'm glad some one brought up those comments by Kerry. (putting justice in the hands of women.) My question is, how can you put something where it already is?
American women have to be the most coddled and "protected" human beings on the planet.
Hell, they're the most coddled of any SPECIES on the PLANET. And he wants to make them MORE so...?!?
I wasn't gonna even bother to vote, but after hearing what Kerry said, I'm now a Bush man...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:01 PM May 25th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Luek.
You are 100% correct on the matter of women's porn.
This bound-and-humiliated-male scenerio is even found in SEEMINGLY innocent female literature such as romance novels. (I heard a guy once describe them as "Bondage novles".)
And more and more often it is appearing in soap operas, as well. Not to mention the increaseingly feminized main stream "entertainment" media.
As I said before; don't any one think for one MINUET there are not SCORES of women, RIGHT NOW, getting off on these torture photos from Abu Ghraib.
We so often hear about the "disturbing effects of porn on men", But never do we hear any consern expressed about the female equivilant and it's ripple effects.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:58 PM May 27th, 2004 EST (#24)
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...don't any one think for one MINUET there are not SCORES of women, RIGHT NOW, getting off on these torture photos from Abu Ghraib.
I makes me wet just to think of those naked tortured men who are subject to woman power!
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"Perhaps the problem isn't the military's feminization but its lack of it," Air Force veteran and author Debra Dickerson recently wrote
If we'd just further feminize the military all the problems would be solved.
Even saying it sarcastically makes me sick.
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The feminist alibi that the women perpetrators of abuse at Abu Gharib prison were "culturally coerced" and simply trying to fit into the military's macho social order...
is just a thinly veiled means of blaming men and the Evil Patriarchy for the women soldiers' CHOICES to act as they did.
'Tis ever the same ... females are always virtuous, corrupted "victims;" and, of course, men are the obligatory oppressors.
I hope this sorry episode provokes a comprehensive reexamination of how including females in combat amd forward mission units is destroying military cohesiveness.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Debra Dickenson was simply stating the truth. As everyone knows, male Nurses & Flight Attendants are 'not' Gay, they are purely trying to be one of the Girls ! ! !
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by Anonymous User on 03:53 PM May 25th, 2004 EST (#6)
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A few months ago, if someone would have asked me what would be the one thing that would prove to everyone, including femborgs, that women have completely surpassed men in terms of power and control, I probably would have responded: "a woman dragging a naked man around on a leash."
Lo and behold, I should have known that even that would be percieved as further "proof" that women are unequal and discriminated against.
These people are truly insane.
I supposed that these crackpots would suggest that wrapping leashes around the necks of naked women and draggin them around on the ground would be unfair to men. HA!
-h
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by Anonymous User on 04:58 PM May 25th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Oops, I meant "Predictable," not "Predicatable."
-h
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by Anonymous User on 05:54 PM May 25th, 2004 EST (#9)
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"A few months ago, if someone would have asked me what would be the one thing that would prove to everyone, including femborgs, that women have completely surpassed men in terms of power and control, I probably would have responded: "a woman dragging a naked man around on a leash."
About 20 years ago now, when the Rolling Stones were still releasing new albums, they had a billboard on either Sunset or Hollywood Blvd. advertising the album. The billboard depicted a woman bound in chains. There was such an outcry over the billboard that it had to come down. Where are those same California feminists crying about the abuse of men at Abu Ghraib? They are nowhere to be heard.
It seems a picture of a woman in bondage is more unjust to them than a man actually in bondage.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 03:42 PM May 26th, 2004 EST (#16)
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Ray.
Yeah, funny how it works that way, isn't it?
But THAT'S the mentality we're up against, I guess.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 07:20 PM May 26th, 2004 EST (#18)
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Double standards are to radical/gender feminism what a foundation is to a house. Anything and everything they seem to construct is built on it.
Ray
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construct? isn't that deconstruct?
westcoast
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What ticks me off just as much as the men/women issue is the fact that Irag soldiers can do any thing they want to our troops and no one cares. if it is particularly horrendous it might make the front page on day, but no one really cares. But we do any thing to them, even if it is only humiliating, and not nessarly abuse, and the whole world jumps on our case. This is added to the fact that we jump on our own case. So how come they can burn, hang, behead our solders and no one cares but we can't humiliate them??? Doesn't this seem just a little wrong? I'm not saying abusing prisoners is right, but make a comparision which most people choose to ignore.
Ticked off 13
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by Anonymous User on 07:15 PM May 26th, 2004 EST (#17)
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"What ticks me off just as much as the men/women issue is the fact that Irag soldiers can do any thing they want to our troops and no one cares. if it is particularly horrendous it might make the front page on day, but no one really cares."
I heard one TV pundit explain this as a lack of "moral equivalency." In other words we have a set of moral standards that is governed by the Geneva Convention, while they subscribe only to the morality of terrorism (which is really no morality at all).
IMO, even though they never subscribed to a higher morality, I think the media is remiss to not more openly show the depravity that characterizes the terrorist’s actions. I also think the media is remiss for not showing all the time and work we are spending trying to rebuild schools and infrastructure, instead of just digging up the most sensational negative dirt they can find, then running it endlessly over and over again.
Ray
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Here are a few links for everyone. this one is the Geneva Convention Articles http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
This one is the ROE for LOAC, Its from Randolph so it is broken down to its basic form.
http://www.aetc.randolph.af.mil/ja/loac/18.htm
Here is the ROE for Security Forces concerning LOAC.
http://www.aetc.randolph.af.mil/ja/loac/sf.htm
I myself would like to see them all go down in flames. Including the damn General. We as military members have ROE & laws (federal & UCMJ) that govern our behavior and actions. Dont get me wrong, Im just a lowly ole SSgt, but this stuff is in place for a reason and it should start from the top down. If I was the supervisor of the Pvt with the leash, her ass would of had a LOR, Article 15, and then I would have tried my best to get her kicked out of my military. I wouldnt care if she was pregnant with 12 kids. Let her do that crap in the civilian job market.
But thats just my two cents
OMS
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On second thought, she shouldnt do this out of the military either. I apologize for that statement. She shouldnt be able to do it anywhere. And its just not her, its all of the people involved. She just happens to be the most visual of them.
They should be put in CC for 6 mnths, and then do prison time for assault, sexual assualt, sexual deviance with intent to do harm.
OMS
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by Anonymous User on 01:58 PM May 27th, 2004 EST (#21)
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Well, actually Ms. England could EASILY get a job in the women's porn industry.
God knows she has enough expirience in tying up and humiliateing men! Heck, On second thought, she may be OVER qualified for the job...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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LOL Thundercloud
I dont know, you think you could look at her messed up grill while you were trying to do the deed lol.
OMS
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