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by Anonymous User on 12:44 PM May 4th, 2004 EST (#2)
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What does this have to do with mens issues? I think this article was taken for something it is not.
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by Anonymous User on 01:45 PM May 4th, 2004 EST (#4)
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“I think one reason divorce rates spiked in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s was because more women were entering the workforce and men weren’t ready to adjust their behavior (by taking on more household duties),” says Stephanie Coontz, co-chair of Council on Contemporary Families and professor of history and family studies at The Evergreen State College.
What a load of crap. It's just more of blame the men for divorce, even though its women that are initiating the vast majority of actions that destroy the marriage and who initiate the divorce, and more crap on how men are evil failures.
We all know that men work, work overtime, and perform a multitude of chores around the home. Hell, as a man I have a shed project, garage project, and yard project all in progress at the same time! Yet men somehow cannot multitask like an all-intelligent woman, and as a male I am to be considered evil because I refuse to mop the floors in addition to my major workload.
These women whiners can go straight to hell. They are just looking for a reason to hate men.
B.T.W. Last I checked it cost one hell of allot of money to pay for childcare when the mom works. Now this feminist retard wants the husbands to pay for hired help to do the woman's chores also, but it is okay if the husband is overburdened with work. They don't count. Somehow, it is a special privilege for the man to do the work and oppression if women must perform work in the form of household chores.
This woman is actually complaining about doing 35 hours of chores per week! What a load of shit! If only I, as a male, could get away with only 35 hours of work and do nothing with the rest of the time. But no I work about 60 hours per week and do my chores on top of that.
Clearly, feminism is about laziness and special privilege for women at the expense of the male slave.
Warble
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professor of history and family studies at The Evergreen State College.
Enough said. Move on to something relevant, now.
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Yep, as sources of INcredibility go, The Evergreen State College has long been in first place!
Way back in the heydaze of hippiedom in Washington state when Evergreen got started, they decided that "grades are oppressive" and that students should be fully empowered to design their own academic programs.
This led to such scholarly stellar avenues as "The Poetry of Whales," "Basketweaving for Mechanical Engineers," and "The Dialectics of Raising Puppies."
Evergreen has become a lucrative tenured retreat for aging leftist professors who charge extortive rates for worthless degrees.
And Dr. Stephanie Coontz fits right in... her first feminist tome (back in the day before tenure '86) was titled -- "Women's Work, Men's Property: The Origins of Gender and Class."
How cute!
Any wonder this ditz claims men's failure to do housework is a MAJOR factor in divorce?
Wonder when the last time was that Dr. Coontz changed the oil in her car, tuned up her lawnmower, or cleaned the gas jets in her furnace?
Uh... never?
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 01:17 PM May 5th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Ickny Ickny Ickny Zupung Zooomboing!
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(Ni!)
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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by Anonymous User on 01:45 PM May 6th, 2004 EST (#15)
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Aw, geeze, not THIS again.
Go away, Icky Icky.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:06 PM May 6th, 2004 EST (#16)
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I'm not "Icky Icky" (It's Ickny Ickny)
And I am the knight who says "NI!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:20 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#17)
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No you are the knight who needs medical attention.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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"We all know that men work, work overtime, and perform a multitude of chores around the home."
Yup. There are 3 "types" of work. Job work (to make money), house work (laundry, dishes, vacuuming, grocery shopping, etc) and "mens" work (electrical repair, automotive maintenance, cleaning gutters, taking out the garbage, home security, etc).
Yet for some reason, only the 1st and 2nd type are actually taken into any discussion. Even then, the first type was only considered when WOMEN started doing it.
It used to be that a man goes to work to earn money to provide for the family AND would do the yardwork, repairs, security and so on, while the woman stayed at home and took care of the home. The first type of "work" was ignored and society listened to women complain that men were not doing enough house "work", completely oblivious to the fact that men already doing two types of work.
Then, when women started joining the work force, now the first type of work was taken into consideration, but men were still getting flak for not doing "enough" because both spouses did the first type of work. Society is still oblivious to the fact that men still did the yardwork/repair/security, etc.
I guess it's good that, although men are still getting flak for NOT doing enough work, women ARE doing more. Previously women only had to do 1 type of work to a man's 2, but now a lot of women do 2 types of work. Men, just continue to get no credit for doing their share.
R
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by Anonymous User on 08:00 PM May 4th, 2004 EST (#10)
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http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/SavingandDebt/ P81724.asp?special=0405streamline
The article is not badly written. If anything, it suffers from the flaw of being not glowingly appreciative of men (which it should be). Instead, it is rather indifferent, perhaps slightly negative.
Here we have a stay at home mom who hires a maid to do all of her work. What the hell? When will we come to the point where I may likewise hire someone to go to the office every day and do my shit?
"She spent it with her family, wrote dozens of articles and a book on hiring home help called, 'A Housekeeper is Cheaper Than a Divorce: Why You Can Afford to Hire Help and How to Get It.' She also enrolled in law school"
So the housewife does 35 hours of housework a week (though she already had a cleaning service; how is that possible? She must be very slow.) Even if it's true, I can't cry for her. That is a pittance of a full-time job, and she gets to do it at home while she hangs around her kids. Sounds great to me. She can have my job any day.
Then, she hires a maid, writes a book about hiring a maid, writes some piddly articles (without saying how many or what precisely was done with them; sounds like a hobby to me). The only good thing she does is enroll in law school. Better though to have written the book once she completed law school and got herself a job; at least that way we would know that the story ends in some sort of purposeful fashion.
I think the idea of hiring a housekeeper is great, if you have money to throw around. But to me, it would seem that the purpose of this would be to get a job. Which doe not seem to have happened yet.
In summary, this is the story of a woman living a life of oppression (35 hours per week!) She thinks her situation bad enough that it merits a divorce.
So, she's complaining about her 35 hours per week of work? Who's working 60 hours per week to pay for all of this? Who’s lying on the railroad tracks pretending she needs to be rescued?
Rather than titling the book "My husband oppresses me by working 60 hours per week, spoiling me, and burying me in money oh my god I have it so bad I need a divorce;” I would have thought her book would have been titled, "My husband is a f*cking god for providing me with such a cushy life so I can hire a maid and pursue my hobbies."
One could just as easily feel sorry for me (a man) for doing 35 hours of housework at home with the kids, then spend the rest banging on stuff with a hammer in my garage in hopes of fulfilling my dream of becoming an Indy 500 race car driver.
Then of course the article goes on in a rather plain manner, with a couple of jabs thrown in for good measure relating to men not doing enough housework. I suppose of course that’s true. At least, now they’re talking about people who actually have jobs. Yeah, so maybe we’re not quite a clean as you guys and have slightly different standards. So, that’s okay, keep going on with the perennial question of balancing family and work, choosing between career and family. Funny. I don’t ever recall being asked what my choice would be if I even had a choice between career and family. Must be so hard to have choices.
But it’s overall a decent article. Kathy Fitzgerald Sherman should be kissing her husband’s fat naked ass rather than hinting at divorce. Puh. I wish I had it so unlucky. But other than that, not a bad article.
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I would have thought her book would have been titled, "My husband is a f*cking god for providing me with such a cushy life so I can hire a maid and pursue my hobbies."
No F*cking kidding.
I'm sure she had to get creative to come up with 35 hours per week with already having a maid. I'm sure if you include the travel time, and time spent in the mall shopping for new dresses and new shoes and what not you might, with a few movies taken in and going out to lunch with friends, and with maybe another 10 hours of padding - come up with that number.
Hard life. ;)
Freedom Is Merely Privilege Extended Unless Enjoyed By One & All.
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by Anonymous User on 01:05 PM May 4th, 2004 EST (#3)
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We just LOVE to bring up the whole "Men don't help with the housework" thing, don't we.
Gee, I wonder why we never hear about WOMEN who don't help around the house?
We never hear the complaints from men that their wives or what ever don't: help clean out the gutters, take out the trash, fix the roof, cut the grass, warm up the car on a cold evening, fix the plumming, fix the car, install an air-conditioner, fix the computer, go see what "that noise" was, etc, etc.
Oh, yeah, I forgot it's not politicaly correct for men to ask women to do those things.
In other words women are asking that men not only do "HIS" chores" but "HER'S" as well.
I see, now. Silly me...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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down troll, down, sit, roll over. good troll!!
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