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Even if supporting this gives the slightest glimmer of leveling the playing field for men, you have to be careful what you support, because if you go to the mat to support this as a partner with NOW, then it's likely that the investigation team will be biased against you. And when the results come in and confirm NOW's assertion, that men are at fault, then, by God, you'll look pretty silly.
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“All too often, credible charges of child sex abuse made by mothers are flagrantly ignored or suppressed by family court judges, court-appointed “law guardians” and biased mental health experts,” says NOW-NYS President, Kathryn Mazierski."
HELLO!? Since children are SAFEST with their biological DADS how can you support something which blatently targets dads who abuse and mothers who are not believed? This bill is another slam on dads. I for one will not support it.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 12:49 PM April 15th, 2004 EST (#11)
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Same here.
I won't support this.
As a man it would be tantamount to me as an Indian supporting the KKK.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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When NOW helps with "studies" or legislation it is ALWAYS set up to favor women. I mean, look at their whole message in this thing:
This shocking fact is confirmed by two decades’ worth of research by academicians, women’s legal centers, and child advocacy groups into what happens to mothers who make good-faith reports that their children have been sexually abused by the fathers.
First off nothing that NOW purports to be "studies" is ever even handed. I know that's a broad statement, but look at this very call to action. No mention of stopping abuse to children from women.
Lets see what NOW considers research and it's findings to hold:
Research has revealed such abuses as these in our nation’s family courts:
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1) Judges who threaten and insult children who have reported being abused -- calling them liars and pressuring them to recant -- behind closed chamber doors;
=== Yeah, as opposed to men who are forced to sign admissions to DV restraining orders or go to jail. Or how children are fed lies to change "mommy told me to say this" to "daddy did [terrible thing]"
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And ya gotta love them listing THIS one:
2) Judges who remove allegedly abused children from their mothers without a legally required hearing;
===== You mean like when fathers are removed by an allegation of slamming doors, raising their voices, or just plain bogus charges. And the same NOW'ers who LOVE men being removed without a hearing are whining about it when the genders are reversed. Nah, no bias there.
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This next one goes under the catagory of: I don't like the results of the experts so I'll say they're "biased". But when the same "experts" go along with NOW they are experts (notice no quote marks)
3) Biased “law guardians,” supposed to represent an allegedly abused child, who obstruct criminal prosecutions of the alleged abusers and keep evidence of sexual abuse from the family court;
===== So if an expert backs a woman's claim of sexual abuse and the evidence gets admitted they are experts. But if the expert recommends that there was no abuse and for that said same lack of evidence to NOT be admitted they are in cahoots with "Mike the Molestor". Duplicity at it's finest.
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And finally some blatant misandry and denial of water being wet and the sky is blue. What do I mean? Let's see:
4) Biased mental health experts who defend allegedly abusive fathers with such fraudulent theories as “parental alienation syndrome” and accuse the mothers of “delusions.”
====== Nope, PAS is NOT real .... just ask NOW. If mom makes the kids hate dad and fills them with her venom, THAT's not child abuse: she's "sharing her views" .... with a 4 year old. Got it. Silly me. And when the mental health experts call the mother a "lying delusional snot spitting hate beast" they must do it out of a sense of having an axe to grind against women. I mean, let's ignore the fact that most mental health experts ARE women (or men in comfortable shoes).
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No, we do NOT want to suppor this and YES they DO get it. They want more "believe the accuser" legislation, punishments for mental health workers who disagree with a mother's accusations, and to reinforce their hateful stereotypes.
Ya gotta give them 2 points for their never ending hatered though. It must be hard to be so full of hatered and be so loving towards children.
I really really really dislike these clowns.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Here are some facts that the NOW bitches seem to overlook for some reason!
This information was glened from Judy Truitt's DesertLight Journal site.
The Third National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect (NIS-3) from the US Department of Health and Human Services (call 1-800-FYI-3366 for a copy) reveals data about child abuse by mothers.
Women commit most child abuse in intact biological families. When the man is removed from the family the children are at greater risk. Mother-only households are more dangerous to children than father-only households.
Children are 3 times more likely to be fatally abused in Mother-only Households than in Father-only Households, and many times more likely in households where the mother cohabits with a man other than the biological father.
Children raised in Single-mother Households are 8 times more likely to become killers than children raised with their biological father.
Other studies reveal more about female violence against children:
Women hit their male children more frequently and more severely than they hit their female children.
Women commit 55% of child murders and 64% of their victims are male children.
Eighty two percent of the general population had their first experience of violence at the hands of women, usually their mother.
Our culture learns to be violent from our mothers, not our fathers.
Yet, 3.1 million reports of child abuse are filed against men each year, most of which are false accusations used as leverage in a divorce or custody case.
Complete scientific citations are included in this report. Leading researchers have validated the statistics we have used, "Murray Straus, a sociologist and co-director for the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire, verified the statistics from the (Sewells') report and Richard Gelles of the University of Rhode Island and author of Intimate Violence and other studies, also validated the statistics used by matching it to previous research." Alice Lovejoy, Brown University.
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Steven did a great job of deconstructing their lengthy document, so I didn't have to read every word of it. But just a casual scan told me that their key objection was to allowing accused men any defense in the first place. This is New York State NOW, probably the most evil feminists in the country. (And NY City NOW is probably worse. Back in 68 when most women's libbers were moderate, NYC NOW was quoted in the newspapers as calling Valerie Solanis a feminist heroine after she shot Andy Warhol. In the 90s the president of my former fathers' rights group asked to speak at a NOW convention and was bodily flung out of the room by a bunch of femidykes.)
But what is really scary about all of this is the way that NOW and "other women's organizations" are going about quietly engineering this federal probe intended to further erode presumption of innocence and the 14th Amendment. The fems work proactively. They see a future challenge in the acceptance of Parental Alienation Syndrome, so they make a preemptive strike. They see that eventually even the most asinine pols will take a look at shared parenting, so they strengthen the weapon of false allegations. (Notice how they compared questioning the truth of child sex abuse with "the abuse of rape victims in criminal trials." And also notice how they downplayed physical abuse and neglect which comprises most of child abuse.)
This is one of the most serious attacks the fathers' movement has encountered this year.
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by Anonymous User on 01:15 AM April 15th, 2004 EST (#7)
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"but not for the reasons given by NOW"
In reading over the posts in this thread I see that I didn't make a very good explanation when I submitted this story. In Los Angeles as in other places in the U.S., Child Protective Services (CPS) is broken. It acutally has financial incentives to strip kids away from good parents on the "Whim" of the CPS worker(s), and having financial incentive to do so they often do on the flimsiest suspicion of any kind of abuse. Children have died in foster care and suffered a number of other atrocities. The list of horror stories is long, and often steeped in divorce tradedies were false accusations have destroyed women as well as men, but most often the Fathers.
Previous posters were right to point out the abuses that mothers commit against children, and the misandrist way that radical feminist organizations have lied about it.
As men's activists abused children do deserve our concern and our care, and our advocacy on their behalf, "but in no way for the reasons that NOW states I hope I've been a little clearer, and I apologize for making it look like I suddenly "turned coat" in that vague wording in the original submission. In rereading it, I definitely see how it looked as if I were actually supporting NOW's position and not just supporting exploited and harmed children.
It is unimagineably horrible to think that a child could be abused by a mother, abused by the CPS system, and then later see the garbage that some feminist group spews about a loving Father, that was stolen from them.
Sincerely, Ray
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MND link:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118 3
iFeminists link:
http://www.ifeminists.net/interaction/forum/viewto pic.php?t=55
SYG link:
http://www.standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php ?t=2909
Just wanted to make sure we spread the word about these male-hating liars
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Should we let them know that we're onto them?
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Maybe we should contact these misandrous toads that are listed at the bottom of the article?
Additional Contact List:
* Michael Lesher, Esq. (attorney, journalist and co-author of a forthcoming book on family court malfunction) 973-470-0212
* Dr. Mo Hannah (professor and psychologist, co-chair of the recent Battered Mothers Custody Conference at Siena College) 518-210-2487
* Eileen King (Regional Director, Justice for Children) 202-462-4688
* Sue Lob (Founder and President, Voices of Women) 212-696-1481
* Vicki Polin (Executive Director, Awarness Center “National Jewish Sex Abuse Resource Center”) 443-857-5560
* Rabbi Yosef Blau (Spiritual Director , Yeshiva University) 212-960-5480
* Rabbi Asher Herson (Director, Lubavitch-Chabad Center of NW NJ) 973-2020-6040
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by Anonymous User on 12:52 PM April 15th, 2004 EST (#12)
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By all means let's DO let them know we're on to them.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Any E-mail contacts?
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 05:52 PM April 15th, 2004 EST (#15)
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The problem is that most persons are too cowardly to call NOW what they are: anti-male hate mongers. But I'm not anymore.
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