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by Anonymous User on 03:01 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#1)
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And we wonder how the feminists have so much power !! SEVEN HUNDRED Government funded FEMINAZI NESTS in US alone and hundreds more worldwide. How many lesbian feminazis are given fill time employment in these nests? Paid to formulate and disseminate their feminazi policies. Paid to concoct bogus research to influence Government policy. Provided with full office and library facilities. These nests are a feminist cancer. Establishment of mens studies centres must be a primary goal of the mens movement.
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by Anonymous User on 09:37 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#13)
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"...and hundreds more worldwide."
(click) 15 European Countries with Women's Studies Programs
Here are 3 of those 15 countries listed and short excerpts.
(click) Austria
"Living in a world of constraints--politically, economically, culturally, and socially--even feminists sometimes are taken to hailing any presence of women or female concerns as progress.
Lip service and politically correct behavior is, however, no substitute for a demand for radical change. Due to the difficulties scholars in the field of Women's Studies face within the institutions, there is very little outreach to other European Universities. Except for the occassional guest lecture, Austrian scholars are within the European context in a very isolated position."
(click) Ireland
"The establishment of the Women's Studies Forum in University College Dublin in the early eighties and the formation of the Women's Studies Association of Ireland in 1983 were very influential in the dissemination of feminist scholarship and paved the way for the institutionalisation of Women's Studies."
(click) Netherlands
"The uncontrolled proliferation of women's studies both led to a diversity of forms and a diversity of contents. Some disciplines were quick to integrate new concepts and theories about gender, and let this reflect in their departmental personnel policy and teaching curriculum, such as the social and cultural sciences, but also theology, philosophy or history.
Others however, despite the urgency of gender in their field, were slower to follow up, like political and policy sciences, law, agriculture, or medical sciences. Good hopes exist for expansion there, but the recent announcement of further cuts in the university budgets may limit this expansion.
Some disciplines proved infertile grounds, either because no female staff (or interested male staff) was available to carry initiatives further, like in biology or technical sciences, or because the connection with gender was less direct, like in physics, mathematics, dentistry, or astronomy."
Sincerely, Ray
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Perhaps the most comprehensive and readable book that illuminates the sick and twisted world of academic Women's Studies is -
PROFESSING FEMINISM: EDUCATION AND INDOCTRINATION IN WOMEN'S STUDIES (Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge)
Here's an excerpt from an Amazon.com review:
"Patai and Koertage have studied the hate training program called "Women's Studies" from a sociological perspective. They go into detail on how a badly flawed political training program masquerading as "studies" is now being promoted and taught at virtually every college.
Instead of education, young women get dogma. Instead of intellectual challenges, young feminists are taught to accept the party line without question.
The authors include reviews of government agency promotion of the dis-education now accepted on college campuses. Where "knowing" replaces scholarship, where victimology replaces competency, where hate replaces wisdom, that is today's "Women's Studies" program."
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 02:15 PM February 23rd, 2004 EST (#25)
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PROFESSING FEMINISM: EDUCATION AND INDOCTRINATION IN WOMEN'S STUDIES (Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge)
That's another book I'm in the process of reading.
Daphni Patai has a couple of books out that I know of. Her other book "Heterophopia" is an interesting title. I haven't even started that book, but understand that it gets more into how these programs bad mouth and undermine heterosexuality.
When she was on Glenn Sack's HisSide Daphne Patai talked about the sexual harassment that women face on college campuses from Lesbians! Our educators are reluctant to address that problem, because of political correctness, thereby contributing to the bias and double standards that men face on college campuses.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 02:55 PM February 23rd, 2004 EST (#26)
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"Daphne" I've always loved that name.
And now I have one more reason to love it.
...That or I've seen one to many episodes of 'Scooby-doo'...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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It's too bad that men on this site are so angry. Women have been inherently excluded from the institutional creation of history since its beginnings. If, for the last twenty years women's studies programs have popped up everywhere, it is simply to examine the discourse of history, to investigate the elements of sexism that have exited for centuries. These women's studies programs do not constitute a group of college students gathering to bash men. They are not "womens' clubs" but a re-education of gendered facts that have been taught through time.I suggest that whoever wrote this sit in on a women's studies class and hear what is discussed. I think your tone would change.
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by Anonymous User on 03:01 PM February 25th, 2004 EST (#30)
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"These women's studies programs do not constitute a group of college students gathering to bash men."
Kay:
Yes they do. Get used to hearing that fact. If these man-hater's villages" can eixst on college campuses, training youth to go out into the community spreading that hate, then I will continue to call attention to it until those femi-supremacists send their jack boots right into my home, again.
"I suggest that whoever wrote this sit in on a women's studies class and hear what is discussed. I think your tone would change."
I have, and I have never seen such a shocking group of prejudiced, man-hating bigots anywhere in my life. No discussion was permitted. It was pure indoctrination. I brought up a few valid statistical points like the DOJ stats on child abuse by mothers, and was greated with some of the most hateful vernacular I have ever experienced in my life.
Sincerely, Ray
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Kay, not everyone on this site is an angry man. I happen to be an angry woman. I too have sat in on classes which were thinly veiled recruitment centers, and I have had threats made on my grades for standing up for my ideals in a classroom situation. Do not assume that we are merely spouting off for no good reason.
On what do you base your premise that women have been
"inherently excluded from the institutional creation of history since its beginnings," which logically assumes that men have not been excluded?
The vast majority of men and women in this world's past have been excluded from the creation of history. Those who recorded history did not usually represent the common man, but the elite. History is written by the victorious, which assumes that entire cultures lost voices.
A few select people wrote the books, and they were generally the rich, and/or the ruling class. So more than women, the poor and working class were likewise systematically kept from the creation of history. I say this based on apx 51% of the world is female, yet the vast majority of people throughout history have been unable to effect the creation of history at all. Yet I do not see "Indigintism 101" or "Needy Studies". Being poor, which is far more crippling in this world than being female, has no voice. Why is that?
So what is your expirience with Woman's studies classes? Would I be welcome to add opinions such as "if women are treated with such sexism, then why are men the only ones drafted, why do men make up 95% of workforce deaths, and why are there no programs to study this?" If I disagreed that women were treated more harshly throughout history (which I believe we were not) would I be treated with respect or shouted down? If I stood up and asked that male bashing jokes not be told, would everyone stop telling them out of respect for my feelings and well being?
If so, I would really like to know what college you attend. We will send one of our memebers to sit in on a few classes, and then we will change our tone. Until then,
yours, The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 01:29 AM February 26th, 2004 EST (#32)
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"A few select people wrote the books, and they were generally the rich, and/or the ruling class. So more than women, the poor and working class were likewise systematically kept from the creation of history. I say this based on apx 51% of the world is female, yet the vast majority of people throughout history have been unable to effect the creation of history at all. Yet I do not see "Indigintism 101" or "Needy Studies". Being poor, which is far more crippling in this world than being female, has no voice. Why is that?"
Jen:
You make good points, and I for one would like to see you on the curriculum committee of a college. I have on several occasions heard a friend of mine say, "Men and women both experience oppression, but in different ways."
I would love to see Oppression 101 taught instead of some of the inane women's studies offerings that spend so much time trying to vilify the patriarchy.
Here might be the beginnings of a couple of lesson plans presenting the male perspective on "The Privileged Patriarchy":
(click) 7 horses, 5 men, and 3 mules - then (click) View Larger Image
and
(click) I was sent so I went - then (click) View Larger Image
Ray
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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by Anonymous User on 08:18 AM February 26th, 2004 EST (#33)
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"...to investigate the elements of sexism that have exited for centuries."
"They are not "womens' clubs" but a re-education of gendered facts that have been taught through time."
Women's Studies blames all the world's problems on half the poplulation, then rationalizes its prejudice by saying we only study history from the female perspective. Every single student of W.S. needs to be re-educated to the truth upon completing any W.S. course.
"It's too bad that men on this site are so angry.
Let's take a partial look at why. Males are: 99.999% of combat deaths and casualties in war (DOD). Yet in Iraq, when there is only the slightest 2% increase in the deaths and casualties of women, a female makes the cover of Time Magazine as “person” of the year, standing in front of two men. We should apply the same measure to the 15% of battered men that the domestic violence industry (and attorney general of CA) hasn’t been able to cover up, yet we treat battered men as if they don't exist and routinely deny them access to domestic violence shelters in California. One only has to look at the sexist language of CA domestic violence literature to prove the historical, systematic prejudice present there. Additionally, men are 94% of workplace deaths (NIOSH), 75% of suicides (CDC), 76% of homicides, 93% of the prison population, 90+% of homeless people, 99+% of the falsely convicted, freed by DNA evidence (Project Innocence). Men die many years earlier than women, and of the 10 or 15 leading causes of death by disease, men lead in all categories. There are more statistics of this nature, but that's all I can remember off the top of my head.
Men face discrimination in government and society in many places. California women's studies programs are numerous on college campuses teaching an anti-male agenda from a feminist perspective. There are no men's studies programs in CA, and only one in the U.S. that I've heard of. California has 31 women's commissions (including a commission for women in prison), but none for men. L.A. County has an Office of Women's Health, but none for men. There are numerous domestic violence shelters for women throughout California that exclude men, but only one that I know of in Lancaster that will accept men. Men are not entitled to get a student loan in college unless they are registered with selective service, and only men by law can be drafted, when one is activated. Then there is Title IX, gutting men's sports programs based on the lower number of men enrolled in college. Instead of using Title IX to get men's enrollment up in proportion to their numbers in the population, colleges use it as a weapon to drive more men from college, then say we have to do more about programs like Science and Math were women are not yet excelling. No wonder women comprise the majority of college enrollment. Who would want to be around a bunch of femi-supremacist bigots like those populating college administration these days.
Dare I even mention the discrimination and bias that men have faced in the mass media? Men face discrimination in government and society at every turn.
We make this little effort here and a few other places and we are hit with more attacks, many of the ad hominem type. Are we not human? If you cut us, do we not bleed?
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 03:56 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#2)
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Honestly, we know that there are not going to be any proper men's studies programs created in the near future -- or in the distant future, for that matter. So why even complain about it? Do you think that the rest of society is going to come around just because a few guys are posting about something on an Internet site? So there are over 700 women's studies programs in the US; is that going to change soon? No! Move on and find more important battles to fight, like establishing an American version of F4J.
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by Anonymous User on 05:07 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#4)
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I disagree. It was just a few women ,who in the 1960's, managed to begin the phenomenon of womens studies. Once one was established, they began to mushroom. Similarly,the concentrated efforts of a "few guys" will succeed in establishing a mens studies faculty in one of the less hostile universities. Once the principle is established, they will similarly mushroom. It was just a few guys who managed to establish the NH commission on the status of men. It was just a few guys who defeated D&G.
You underestimate the importance of mens studies. The effectiveness of F4J is greatly reduced by the feminist control of the media. This control is largely due to the ubiquitous presence of womens studies graduates in key positions in the media. Mens studies faculties are not just desirable. Rather they are crucial to the development of an effective mens movement. Without womens studies I do not believe there could ever have been an effective feminazi movement.
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by Anonymous User on 09:19 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#11)
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"It was just a few women ,who in the 1960's, managed to begin the phenomenon of womens studies. Once one was established, they began to mushroom."
A friend just sent me this the other day that adds some additional infornation on the origin of women's studies:
How the Ford Foundation Created Women's Studies
By Kimberly Schuld
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 20, 2004
"The Ford Foundation’s financial support of liberal groups and causes has been well documented on this site and by others, such as the Capital Research Center. A 1994 analysis by Althea K. Nagai, Robert Lerner and Stanley Rothman reported that during 1986 and 1987, the Ford Foundation awarded 262 grants to projects of the Left, resulting in a final dollar ratio of $28 to $1 between liberal and conservative projects.
Women’s Studies professor and feminist author Susan M. Hartmann credits the Ford Foundation with being a substantive force that created the feminist movement. In fact, Ford’s support of women’s studies and feminist causes is so extensive that it cannot be summarized in an article of this length. The subject is ripe for a full-length book. It is safe to say that without the Ford Foundation, feminism would not have been successful in gaining such a strong foothold in academia, and by extension, politics..."
(click)How the Ford Foundation Created Women's Studies for the full read
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by Anonymous User on 10:12 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#15)
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"In 1971, a group of feminists approached Ford president McGeorge Bundy with a request to involve itself in the feminist movement the way it had in the Civil Rights movement, essentially, creating it out of whole cloth. The result of those early discussions was a full-fledged women’s project to fund the small number of existing women’s advocacy organizations, and also to create a whole new field within academia known as “women’s studies.” "
The above extract from "How the Ford Foundation Created Women's Sudies" cofirms my point that the phenomenon of Womens Studies was begun by a small group of feminists, albeit with a little help from their friends. Very educative post, Ray.
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And without those small groups of women, the Ford Foundation wouldn't have been boistering any groups.
Now we just need a Ford Foundation of our own.
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by Anonymous User on 09:54 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#14)
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"So why even complain about it?"
Simple, if you are going to defeat an enemy, especially a ruthless one like the radical feminist movement, you had better know as much about it as possible. Call it, "educating yourself on your enemy." Every successful military strategist does it. Every successful political strategist does it.
Quoting General George S. Patton just before obliterating Field Marshall Rommel's troops, "I read your damn book."
Chris Matthews, in effect, says the same thing in his book, "Hardball," about politics, which is more akin to what we are dealing with.
I hope to learn as much about women's studies as any student who gets "A's" in those courses. All the better to refute the many lies inherent in that discipline. Afterall, women's studies is the spawning ground of future generations of radical feminists.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 10:27 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#16)
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I agree 100%. Understanding the pathology of the feminist cancer is vitally important. Aside from establishment of Womens Studies nests, early control of the media was crucial to their success (though both events may be related). Feminist control of the media preceded, and was largely responsible for, subsequent feminist control of society. Just how this cancer infiltrated the media so early is something I don't understand but would be eager to learn something about.
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In Canada so far any such attempt has been crushed by the now feminist directed tenure commitees and curiculum review commitees who are turning academic freedom into a cynical joke. There is in fact something tangible and effective we can all do. I worked part time while a student at Mount Saint Vincent University (Canada's foremost bastion of feminazi loonitoons and the place where Hillary Clinton got her honourary degree in "women's studies) in their Alumnae office and let me assure you alumnae contributions and feedback from agrieved former students has a much bigger impact on a university's policies than you might immagine....so...next time your alumnae office asks for a donation just say "women's studies needs men like fish need bicycles so go find a school of barracuda to finance your culture of mysandry indoctrination system". Your dollars do matter. Oh by the way...did someone in this thread mention that it was the "Ford" Foundation that gave this noxious weed it's grubstake???? Is the source of the "Ford" Foundation's wealth the sale of "Ford" motorcars??? The next time you are tire kicking for a new car you might drop by the Ford dealer and say that you are in the market for a car but would NEVER CONSIDER SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON ANYTING THAT FINANCES THE CULTURE OF MYSANDRY....would the forum administrator kindly consider adding these suggestions to the boycott page.
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by Anonymous User on 11:23 AM February 23rd, 2004 EST (#21)
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No, actually the Ford Foundation has NOTHING to do with Ford cars.
Common mistake.
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I stand corrected...please don't keep it a secret...where does the Ford foundation get such wealth that they can afford to finance a cancerous growth on democracy? If it is something I can do without or have an alternative to purchase I would love to know. But thank you anonymous friend, it is not in my nature and character to strike out at anyone who has done me no harm....unlike some of my adversaries.
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by Anonymous User on 12:37 PM February 23rd, 2004 EST (#23)
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Ford Foundation Home
Here are some women's studies scholarships funded by the Ford Foundation
Just google on "ford foundation" and "women's studies" and there are plenty of refs.
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Thanks Anon (I have always been a fan of your poetry and aphorisms) I looked up their portfolio base and more importantly their board of directors....these are truly distinguished people...nobody's fools by ANY measure..and I say in all sincerity that includes the women on this board...Grand Chief Mankiller of the Cherokee Nation is one of the most intelligent and reasonable matriarchs in America and in spite of her intimidating name ALL of the males she is chief over refer to her as "grandmother" with the utmost affection and respect....we should consider talking to them about how their money is being spent.
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by Anonymous User on 04:07 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#3)
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Does your church or political party get taxpayer's dollars to advocate for its religion or political iedeology like women's studies does?
(click) Women's Studies Internships The unchallenged, misandrist education students get in their women's studies courses is just the begining. Thousands of college classes are used as recruiting tools to get soldiers for the femi-supremicist army to go to "Baltimore/Washington" to work for... Hum, I wonder what they are working on...
When's the last time your government paid for a college course so the men's studies intructor could recruit interns to "work" in "Washington,D.C." on men's issues?
Ray
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Does your church or political party get taxpayer's dollars to advocate for its religion or political iedeology like women's studies does?
This is a good point. Feminism is a religion. As such, it should not receive direct support from the government.
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by Anonymous User on 02:43 PM February 25th, 2004 EST (#29)
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Yes, of course it is a religion. These women worship THEMSELVES, literaly!
By the way if they are going to fund 'women's studies', why don't they just go ahead and start funding the Ku Klux Klan?
Not much difference.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 05:57 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#5)
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I don't know why men in general are not more alarmed by the growth of radical anti-male indoctrination programs at our universities.
Unfortunately, I think Title IX applies to "extracurricular activities" and not gender specific courses that are offered by government funded universities. Or have I been misinformed? Regardless, we need to demand an end to the gender biased hate agendas of professional feminists.
We need to research this issue in depth. Let's examine the content of some current women's studies coursework and expose it here as a start!!
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 07:49 AM February 23rd, 2004 EST (#19)
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There is at least one "real" college Men's Center in the USA. We spoke about it a few days ago. Check this out :
/article.pl?sid=04/02/0 9/192208&mode=threaded
Rage
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"No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving federal financial assistance."
It sounds pretty gender neutral to me, and it doesn't just apply to athletics. If we have some enterprising legal talent in the movement, it might be possible to hoist the feminists on their own petards.
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A few creative Google keyword searches will yield dozen's of university courses that in some fashion address men's issues and masculinity.
They are mostly housed within programs with names like "Gender Studies" or "Gender Identities" or (commonly) "Women's Studies."
Almost without exception, these are courses based on post-modernist "social construction of gender" premises, i.e. courses that seek to "problematize" or "historicize" or "deconstruct" or "interrogate" gender.
A lot of these courses pretty much tow the feminist line and offer the exciting prospect of "discovering new forms of masculinity."
I'm sure by now you can get a Ph.D. in Metrosexual Phenomenology at some enterprising school!
I found a couple Men's Studies Centers, amazingly. There's one at St. John's University in Collegeville, MN. called the "Men's Center for Leadership and Service."
One of their goal statements reads -
* "Be a leader and innovator in research and programming dedicated to helping those disenfranchised by the obstinacy of hegemonic masculinity."
( http://www.csbsju.edu/menscenter/Default.htm )
Yikes! Marxism + Feminism + Catholicism all in one ingenius gift-wrapped package!
With "men's" centers like this, perhaps we just need to take a more direct route and set up free castration clinics on our nation's feminist-dominated campuses...
The most intriguing course I found has the title - "Masculinity and Criminality."
Big surprise, eh?
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 09:06 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#10)
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"With "men's" centers like this, perhaps we just need to take a more direct route and set up free castration clinics on our nation's feminist-dominated campuses..."
Call me paranoind, but that same thought crossed my mind when I ran across this Nordic men's studies program in Sweden: (click)men's studies in Sweden Notice how it too is set up through a woman's studies program, and is called, "The Social Problem of Men.
Ray
Sex change operation? No thank you. We Don't Subscribe to the Feminist Model for Men!
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by Anonymous User on 08:51 PM February 22nd, 2004 EST (#9)
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Unfortunately, it only applies to participation in a course/activity. It says nothing about the content of said course/activity. As far as I know, men are allowed to take women's studies courses. I think the discrimination part may refer to participation as well. Maybe there are some women's studies courses that might violate this; I don't know every course in the country. It's much more likely that campus women's centers violate this rule (since I'm pretty sure they don't provide any services to men, and that would be discrimination).
Incidentally, I go to a college where the student body is 80-85% male. And, yes, we have a women's center.
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I am not a lawyer, but I think you could make an argument that, because women's studies programs are set up primarily to benefit women and to promote the self esteem of women, merely allowing men to participate in these programs doesn't cure the underlying discrimination. It is like telling women that they are perfectly welcome to try out for men's sports, and then saying that they don't need their own athletic programs because they can join the football team.
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The federal Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) funnels $3.2 billion dollars a year into the feminist Womyn's Industries.
The Domestic Violence Gulag absorbs 50%.
The rest is distributed through thousands of state-administered grants and extortion channels, including support for university Womyn's Studies programs.
Hundreds of other federal taxpayer supported pork-barrel programs enrich the tenured feminazi Illuminati (elites) across the spectrum of academic and private "Womyz Industry" departments.
Wake up!
It's an enterprise! A very, very successful scam.
Business as "unusual..."
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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