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by Anonymous User on 06:29 PM February 17th, 2004 EST (#1)
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...to be a 2nd class citizen in modern America.
Ain't it great? (sarcasm)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 07:10 PM February 17th, 2004 EST (#2)
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Maybe you should look at the statistics of women in the field you are complaining about- most classes for these fields are already targetsed to boys/men. Do some research before you bitch.
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by Anonymous User on 07:36 PM February 17th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Sounds like the old "equality of results" argument as opposed to "equality of opportunity."
Hmm. How do you target a field toward boys/men? I guess society forces them to be more interested in electronics. Wonder if there are more ways to "correct" this?
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by Anonymous User on 08:14 PM February 17th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Danger, Danger, Will Robinson!
Troll alert! Troll alert!
Looks like our "Troll house cookie" has returned.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Let's see... How much common sense does it take to figure this out?
If girls are not naturally predisposed to things technical, and there's an overwhelming majority of men working in those fields, then 'we' try to get girls interested in those fields, right?
Hmmm...
Then it also holds that if boys are not naturally predisposed to fields like nursing or education, then, well, we couldn't possibly expend any effort toward encouraging them in THAT direction, could we?
I guess if we can't move the money to where the women are (through "pay equity" legislation), then we'll just have to move the women to where the money is (through other forms of social engineering).
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by Anonymous User on 08:41 PM February 17th, 2004 EST (#5)
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"most classes for these fields are already targetsed to boys/men". What fields are "targetsed to men" (I presume this is meant to be English). In Western Societies men are "targetsed" to the dole queues, the prisons, the homeless shelters etc as a result of the feminist educational system and the systematic destruction of boys' self-esteem effected by the feminist media. In my country male medical students are becoming as rare as hens' teeth. They are similarly a minority in the Science faculties. They are holding their own in some areas such as Engineering despite the disadvantages the feminists have stacked against them, and full marks to young men for achieving this. However, in these fields, the proportion of men is decreasing yearly at an alarming rate.
So I would advise you , in your own words, to DO SOME RESEARCH YOU BITCH. And I mean research. I don't mean churning out those fictitious "statistics" concocted by feminists in "Womens Studies" nests.
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would be nice if boys and men were targeted for higher education, since they make up a meager 41% (which is probably high) of the overall college student body.
Say, I have an idea: A BoyStart program geared towards nursing. Yeah. Wait! No, that won't work. The feminists will screech that men just don't possess enough compassion to be competent nurses.
Feminists and the term compassion in the same sentence? Comparatively? And it wasn’t a joke? Um, that’s not right…
The Shark
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First, trollina, classes in science and math are not targetted to boys, boys just show more interest in those subjects. So girls lag about 4 points behind boys in those subjects; boys score 14 points lower than girls in reading and writing. Boys also trail in all subjects other than math and science.
I suggest you read something other than your "Take Back the Night" bumpersticker.
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There is in fact psychological research (real research, not feminist "studies") that suggests that the male mind is more oriented towards logical thinking, hence all the male inventors. Seems to me that maths and science are the fields where, try as they might, authorities just can't make the girls overtake the boys.
I'm not trying to troll, and I'm not even necessarily saying that the studies are right. I just don't think it's wise to assume a feminist agenda through speculation alone.
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I don't know if this is financed by public funds. It doesn't seem to be: the volunteers are professional women. However, this does point to the fact that the public knows the extent to which boys are failing and the extent to which schools are failing boys. If it did, I'm sure we could get some professionals interested in helping our young men with their reading, writing, and general academic problems.
Of course, the lace curtain will never let these facts be revealed.
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by Anonymous User on 10:32 AM February 18th, 2004 EST (#16)
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Of course it is! See their funding sources:
http://www.girlstart.org/sponsors.htm
They get money from the National Science Foundation (NSF)
http://nsf.gov/
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by Anonymous User on 11:02 PM February 17th, 2004 EST (#9)
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We do have one. It's called juvenile detention, sensitivity training, anti-rape campaigns, and oh, did I forget to mention draft eligibility for males only?
Oh yeah, one more thing- we also encourage boys to play in sports that get their legs broken and shoulders dislocated. That's part of it, too.
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by Anonymous User on 11:31 PM February 17th, 2004 EST (#10)
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oh yeah, I had to laugh at that first paragraph. So true, so true.
Although, it's not really funny. But my humor is sometimes dark.
p. george
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And, of course, routine sexual mutilation first thing right off the bat.
Talk about a 'boystart'. . .fteh. Welcome to the world, baby boy! First lesson: you need to learn who owns your body. It's not you. And nobody will protect you.
Get used to it quick -- that's why we're showing you what the score is right from the start, so you'll be indoctrinated in the regimen of violation and submission from your first moments free of the womb.
You don't own your body, and nobody will protect you. And we'll carve that message into the most vulnerable, joyous part of your body, while you're at the greatest tendency to imprint on things, so that you'll carry that sense of violation and submission with you the rest of your life, and so that you'll always fear, at some deep, primal level, to believe in your own integrity, and thereby be less likely to seek to rise above your 'place'.
You're cattle. And cattle need to be branded. Because that's how we know who owns them.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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"You don't own your body, and nobody will protect you. And we'll carve that message into the most vulnerable, joyous part of your body..."
Wow, Acksiom, I'll have to think about that for awhile. It was a cruel little tease - no sooner than I was hooked with intrigue, it came to an end, leaving me begging for more :)
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And there's no need to beg. Here's more:
BABY BOY DOE AND THE FUN NEW GAME
I am baby boy Doe. I am a happy baby! The world is so new!
I love Mommy. She gives me milk. She smells so good!
I love Daddy. He saw me come out of Mommy. He looked in my eyes and saw Me!
I love the Nurses. They sound happy. They like me. I am a good baby!
Now we go home. It is scary to move. But Mommy holds me and I feel safe.
Mommy loves me. Mommy rocks me on her lap. Daddy touches my head so gently.
I sleep. I eat. Mommy loves me. Daddy loves me.
Now we go back to the first place. The nurses take me away from Mommy and Daddy.
No! I want to stay with Mommy!
But the nurses like me. I am a good baby! I giggle for them.
Now they put me on a hollow board. I fit it like a puzzle piece! This is a new game!
Now they put a blanket over me. It has a hole in the middle.
My thing fits in the hole! Another puzzle piece! This is a fun game!
Now the new man comes in. Everybody puts on a mask! Fun game!
Now the new man touches my thing. He has funny hands.
There are shiny things in his hands. I want to touch them.
But the nurses put straps around my arms and legs. Now I cannot move.
Will they carry me back to Mommy and Daddy on the board?
Will they swing me back and forth? Fun game!
Ooooh! That is cold! They are putting something wet on my thing!
Now the new man touches my wet thing with a shiny thing.
Ow! That hurts! Mommy! He is hurting me!
Hurting me! It hurts so much I cannot see! There is nothing but the hurting!
Mommy! Daddy! Make him stop! Make him stop hurting me!
It hurts so much! It hurts so much I cannot breathe!
I am making a mess! Oh it hurts! Mommy! Daddy! Where are you?
Make him stop hurting me! Please! Please! Do not hurt me! Ow! Ow!
I am choking! The pain is choking me! The world is terrible!
Mommy! Daddy! Please make him stop!
Oh! Now he is hurting me more! How can there be more hurting? Stop it!
Mommy! Where are you? Why are you letting him hurt me?
I do not understand! I thought you loved me! I thought Daddy loved me!
It hurts worse than anything! Make it stop! Make the hurting stop!
Make it stop! I love you! Please make it stop!
He is tearing me! He is cutting me! Ow! Ow!
Please come and stop him! Please! Everything hurts!
Why is he hurting me? Why are you letting him hurt me so much?
Why is this happening? Why are you hurting me?
The hurt is so big! It is bigger than the whole world!
Oh it is bad! The world is so bad!
The world is such a bad place! I want to leave it forever!
I am baby boy Roe. I am a happy baby! The world is so new!
I love Mommy. She gives me milk. She smells so good!
I love Daddy. He saw me come out of Mommy. He looked in my eyes and saw Me!
I love the Nurses. They sound happy. They like me. I am a good baby!
Why is that other baby crying? He is crying so loud!
What does he have to cry about? The world is a wonderful place!
Isn't it?
Copyright 1999 by Andrew C. Kursar/Axiomatic Products
Permission granted to reproduce and distribute for non-profit purposes
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amen brother,
thank god i didn't get butchered as a kid
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by Anonymous User on 01:15 PM February 18th, 2004 EST (#22)
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Acksiom,
All I can say is; 'Wow...'
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Is there a proportion of mensactivists that are uncircumsized? Because I can introduce the whole concept to guys and out of 5 or 6 the only one that took it a little was uncut - and even he isn't terribly activisty about it.
I need to be around more anti-circumcision folks, too used to the guys I know being like "well, it's tidier. so therefore one should have it done to their sons." huge :P
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well i'am intact. and i agree with you on thoose who think it's " neat and tidy" i think it's unnatural and abusive.
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by Anonymous User on 08:01 PM February 18th, 2004 EST (#28)
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I posted your story/poem at a parenting website in the area dedicated to controversial topics. I've been a member for a while so I wasn't trolling just looking to see how others felt about it. Can you believe I was almost banned from the site. The webmaster told me that it was rude and inapropriate and that I hurt the feelings of the mothers that circumcised their children. Ah, those poor wittwe mommies wouldn't want to hurt there feelings by showing what it must feel like to have your dick mutilated.
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Be careful not to post anything critical of child molesters on that parenting website. You might hurt someone's feelings.
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by Anonymous User on 10:55 PM February 18th, 2004 EST (#31)
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Went back to check the site since I had already been chastized figured I would let the guns loose with this knew angle of molestation. I hadn't thought of it that way before but how apt a description!
I found the thread deleted with a message that people posting should act like adults. I only posted that guys poem and it was enough to set all the little mommies off, having the thread deleted and getting almost banned. This friggin world sickens me.
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I'd like to speak to them personally (I *am* 'that guy', in case you hadn't realized).
May I have the url for this site? I might even know of it already.
If you're willing, please send it to me at acksiom@netscape.net or post it publicly here, whichever you prefer.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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by Anonymous User on 06:58 AM February 19th, 2004 EST (#33)
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www.linkingparents.com it was posted in the Soup Du Jour area, the area for controversial topics it's no longer there anyway.
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Let's just beat them at their own game and set up a Boystart program. We can match it dollar for dollar with individual donations. Anybody know a men's activist with lots of money?
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When men have lots of money they tend to end up feminists.
We can hope though.
Anyone have Bill Gates' number?
The Biscuit Queen
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I think it may be more the case that men, who are inclined to oppose feminism, are far less likely to be allowed to build successful careers.
You're right, anyone who openly opposes feminism isn't going far - unless he lives a long way from the unemployment office. A businessperson’s success is dependent on the willingness to present himself and his company favorably to the public, regardless of his real opinions. Business leaders don’t survive long without some serious political skills, and in today’s world that means PC pandering.
Many business leaders may actually believe in these kinds of programs, but I suspect that many see their company’s success as being dependent on the ability to bite their tongue when personal beliefs conflict with public prejudices. I suspect that, like government politicians, there are many who publicly support things they privately oppose.
IMO the fact that so many business leaders pander to PC causes does not mean that PC beliefs are a common characteristic of leaders. Rather, PC appearances are necessary to be a successful businessperson.
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by Anonymous User on 07:17 AM February 19th, 2004 EST (#34)
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"When men have lots of money they tend to end up feminists." That is, until the judge awards "lots of money" to their wives or when women try to join their golf clubs.
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Yesterday I was at a Subway Sandwhich store in North Texas. I observed a young family with a 20 something young Husband and Father. He was completely pussy whipped. His wife ordered him around like a child and he obediently did as he was told. Their little boy was misbehaved and told him Mother to fuck off!! She said "that's bad you stop that". He then blocked my access to the soda fountain. My response is move your little ass before I put your skanky ass over my knee and give you the paddling you deserve. The Mother shot me and icy look. My response to her Husband was "Hey Buddy get your Balls out of your Wife's purse and discipline your Brat". I have never been shy about expressing my opinion. It pains me to see how much we have given up our Manhood to accomadate Women. Our Sons and Grandsons are sufferring because of it.
At work we have a 21 year old Woman who is harrassing Men some in their 50s because of her job promotion. She is a feminazi and is being protected by a Lesbian Manager in her abuse of Males at work.
Regards,
Khan Krum the Bulgar
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by Anonymous User on 04:30 PM February 18th, 2004 EST (#25)
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I know what you are saying.
I see these Wussy-poopie men EVERYWHERE. It just makes me SICK.
These guys are just plain whipped. Wife says; "Jump!" and wussie-poopie guy asks; "How high?"
WHY are there so MANY of these guys.
One couple I saw the wife spoke to the husband like a he was a child, and he just TOOK IT!!! What ever she said to do he just did it like a whipped dog. If anyone, male OR female were to be so condecending to me, I'd tell them to "bite me"!
Sorry, I try not to get this roused up, but this particular subject of Wussie-poopies just makes my blood boil.
These guys are probably the same types that make male-bashing movies like "Monster", "Enough", "Catwoman", "Kill bill", "Charlie's angels", and "Pulp fiction".
When they are home alone with their wives they probably like her to get out the whips and chains.
These guys just make me sick, sick SICK!!!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Thundercloud, my friend, I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with some of what you posted above.
I see these Wussy-poopie men EVERYWHERE. It just makes me SICK.
These guys are just plain whipped. Wife says; "Jump!" and wussie-poopie guy asks; "How high?"
WHY are there so MANY of these guys.
One couple I saw the wife spoke to the husband like a he was a child, and he just TOOK IT!!!
I can think of one very good reason why they might just "take it."
It's that or be homeless and pennyless.
She may also be a child abuser (she's certainly shown herself to be a husband abuser). How's he going to offer what protection he can to the children he loves if he's not there?
So, he has to toady up to wifey, because she can have him removed from his family, destituted, and utterly destroyed on her whim without lifting a finger beyond making a phone call. She has all the power, he has none.
I agree that too many men try altogether too hard to satisfy women's every petty passing fancy. I also think it's important that we remember that the poor sap might just be doing the best he can in an untenable situation, where he has no options or choices.
Maybe he truly *is* a strong hero who, like so many men, is sacrificing himself, enduring pain and humiliation, out of duty towards, and love of, his children.
There are certainly men who deserve our condemnation, but we must never forget those who need our compassion and support.
The main problem that "women's shelters" were created to alleviate, way back when, was the situation of a woman being 'trapped' in an abusive relationship. Because she had no where to go, no money, no support or helping hand, she had to stay in the relationship -- there were no options.
The fact that relationships like the above were quite uncommon (contrary to the lies of feminist political dogma) does not change the fact that they were, indeed, some women in that situation who genuinely needed help. Fine. It's right to help them.
We now have a climate where *every* married man is a risk to be in the same untenable situation, only much worse.
Instead of it being the occasional husband who was an abuser, who would need to conduct their abuse themselves, and in the face of extreme social censure and intolerance for his actions, we now have whole government bureaus who will do it for the wife, on her merest whim, in a social climate that not only doesn't disapprove of her actions, but actively encourages them.
I know who you mean by "Wussy-poopies" (always loved that expression, by the way; even use it myself now sometimes) -- those who consciously make decisions in lock-step with womenist dogma, to the detriment of men, for their own advancement. Those like, as you said, the ones who, "make male-bashing movies like "Monster", "Enough", "Catwoman", "Kill bill", "Charlie's angels", and "Pulp fiction"."
There are also those who only appear to be "Wussy-poopies," who are actually doing the noble thing that men have always done -- quietly making the supreme sacrifice for those they love.
Let's help them out.
Ragtime
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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I see these Wussy-poopie men EVERYWHERE. It just makes me SICK.
It just makes me sad.
Robert Bly called it a manifestation of naivety:
A naive man act out strange plays of self-isolation. For example, when an angry woman is criticizing him, he may say, quite sensibly, "You're right. I had no right to do that." If her anger turns to rage, he bends his head and says, "I've alway been this way." In the third act, he may implicate his father. "He was never there; he never gave me any support." Her rage continues and he bends over still farther. He is losing ground rapidly, and in the fourth act he may say: "All men are shits." He is now many more times isolated than he was a few minutes ago. He feels rejected by the woman and he is now isolated from all other men as well. One man I knew went through this play every time he had a serious fight with a woman, about once a week.
The naive man will lose what is most precious to him because of a lack of boundaries... Thieves walk in and out of his house, carrying large bags, and he doesn't seem to notice them.
- Iron John, p. 65
There, but for the grace of God, go I. My father taught me about integrity and self-respect. However, the society I grew up in was full of all these new ideas about women wanting sensitive men and 50/50 relationships, blah, blah, blah.. and I believed them. So, in my 20's, I made it a point in relationships to meet women halfway, expecting them to come the rest of the way. Since women, as zenpriest has said, refused to budge one inch from their power position, I was frequently left standing there all alone looking and feeling foolish.
The self-respect my father taught me kept me from going any further or debasing myself, but if he hadn't been there to teach me that...
These men are hurting. I would help them if I knew how.
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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by Anonymous User on 01:53 PM February 20th, 2004 EST (#37)
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Ragtime and Larry,
Okay, you guys have given me something(s) to think about.
I too was brought up to have integrity and some times I forget that not EVERY male was as fortunate as I.
It just seems to me that too many of us (men)just "shut up and take it", when we should be saying; "I'm mad as hell and I'm NOT gonna take it anymore!"
As far as Wussy-poopies go, I am useing that term, generaly, to describe men who not only willingly submit to abuseive women but ENJOY it, and enjoy seeing it done to other men, as well.
These kinds of guys are as big a threat as any foaming at the mouth feminists are. And many of them are Hollywood TV and movie producers and writers. Hell, they dominate the whole media, pretty much. The Democrats are rife with Wussy-poopies, and the Republicans aren't much better.
which is why I'm an idependant, all the way.
The problem is that even if we were to get every single feminist out of the way, we would still have to deal with Wussy-poopies.
So while I'll take your advice and go a little easier on these guys in public that act like whipped dogs, I will never let up on Wussy-poopies. These jerks are WORSE than feminists because they LEGITIMIZE everything the feminists say and stand for.
I have often said; That for America to survive, Feminism must die!" but I should add, just as importantly 'Wussy-poopieism must especialy die!'
"Wussy-poopieism"?
I think I've just made up a new word!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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TC,
It's a tricky thing, opposing their actions while still having understanding and some sympathy for their reasons. Kind of like "Hate the sin, but love the sinner."
Not easy at all.
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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You are a lucky man, Larry.
You betcha! Over the years I've also had the benefit of a couple of older, wiser men taking me under their wing as informal mentors, teaching me much about life.
I try to do the same with a few of the twenty-something kids who work with me. They seem to be aching for that kind of guidance.
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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