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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 28, @12:11PM EST (#1)
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It's all about money. If women can ask for alimony, they can ask for a date. Love has absolutely nothing to do with any modern feminist woman's ideals for marriage.
The next time any man sees a beautful woman and is arroused, I suggest he go juggle rattle snakes to get a first hand experience of what his life will be like if he pursues her.
Sincerely, Ray
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Hmmmm, let's see.
Basic plotline is about a dweeb masocist (Adam Sandler... a guy who makes CarrotTop look like a comedic genius...) -- who gets smitten by a curvaceous attention whore (Barrymore.. she of the bodacious ta-ta's...) with no memory and hence she can't validate his nauseating pussified self-degradation?
This is supposed to be original?
"Antony shall be brought drunken forth,
and I shall see ...
Some squeaking Cleopatra boy my greatness
In the posture of a whore."
(Wm. Shakespeare, "Antony and Cleopatra."
Pre-MTV popular literature.)
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 28, @07:34PM EST (#8)
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Speaking of Shakespeare, I hated Romeo and Juliet. It's probably because I hate "teen movies" (R&J were definitely teenagers). Of course, if Shakespeare wrote the play to show the stupidity of such things, then he was a genius.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 28, @10:07PM EST (#18)
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What's wrong with you guys? Don't you understand that we men are SUPPOSED to LOVE women who devalue us, push us around, hit us with whips while were tied to beds, dominate us, de-humanize us, beat us up, treat us like garbage, treat us like children, condesend to us, abuse us and generaly, over all treat us as sub-human apes.
Well, according to feminists and the Hollywood wussy-poopy writers and producers, that's what you SHOULD understand.
Anyone else notice that movies like "Charlie's Angles" and "Laura Croft" keep getting made, even though they BOMB and litteraly LOOSE money for their producers?
THEN after those kinds of movies bomb, what do they do...? They make SEQUELS to them, that bomb just as big as the first movies!
These movies all have the same formula. I.E. beautiful women beating the snot out of men. the violence against the men usualy being sexualized.
But like I said these movies tend to bomb. ("Kill Bill" may be an exeption.)
But my point is, does anyone else, besides me, get the feeling that Hollywood is trying to get a certain agenda and\or message across to the public, despite the fact it costs them money?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I did not know those movies lost money. I love this site, an education every day of the week. I DO know this, that Hollywood is getting BASHED by feminists and the Fems are using a LOT of funding, media promos, and asking for female Stars to help them make "women" centered movies. Not "chick flicks", but rather movies that are "power" movies about women. It's not for profit, that I knew, but rather bowing to pressure from the feminazi Machiavellian Machinations Machine.
Tell me more Thundercloud.
Steven Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 29, @12:52PM EST (#44)
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That's really about all I know.
When I looked up 'reviews' for those movies, it was then I found this out.
I even heared it said on "Irritation... -er- I mean "Entertainment tonight."
Because these movies lost money, haveing poor boxoffice returns, I am very suspicious that Hollywood is trying to start a 'trend' of sexualized-violence-against-men-by-women movies.
Why, exactly, I don't really know.
Part of it may be because the wussy poopy men that write and produce these films get off on this kind of material, themselves, therefore they want as much of it out there as possible EVEN if it costs them finacialy.
Plus, feminists LOVE violence against men wether it is on or off the screen.
Not to mention there are quite a few women who get off on it sexualy, too. though I doubt you could get them to admitt it. To do so would expose their hypocricy.
To be fair, i did an internet search on violent pornography against women and men, both.
I found a fair number of 'dominatrix' sites, but to my suprise I also found there are more sites featuring WOMEN, as what they call "submissives."(SP?) these are rather grisly websites and I don't recomend them. There is horrific violence against both sexes. but MOST of them feature women in bondage and sadomasicistic situations.
By the way, we've all heard of dominatrixes, right? Did you know there is a male counter part? he is called a "dominant", or a "master". (shudder) Any way, if Hollywood ISN'T trying to push a feministic anti-male violence message on the culture then why is it they CONSTANTLY feature DOMINATRIXES in movies and TV, but never the male equivelent? Untill I did this research I didn't know that there WAS a male equivilant to a dominatrix.
And Hollywood and the rest of the media keep wondering why they can't rein in a male audience, these days.
...Gee, wonder why...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 29, @04:04PM EST (#51)
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Why, exactly, I don't really know.
Okay. I'll answer why...even though it's going to sound nuts. The strategy of Hollywood is in fact to create art/entertainment that communicates their agenda/message of how the culture should be. Thus they are able to use the media to communicate their ideals because of the loads of cash generated.
Their strategy is strait out of the communist handbook. The idea is to create a culture of female superiority and male inferiority.
In short, they are intentionally teaching communist fantasies and ideals.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 29, @09:50PM EST (#53)
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Warb.
Thank you.
That sounds right to me, how you explained it.
I couldn't have said it better.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Oh come on, I really like CarrotTop!
There you go bashing on account of hair color.
You Bigot.
Hmmmf!(turning away in a swirl of petticoats, a swish of hair, nose in air)
;-)The Biscuit Queen
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Jen,
For a female MRA you are SO female.
"Hmmmf!(turning away in a swirl of petticoats, a swish of hair, nose in air) "
good comedic timing.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 29, @02:43PM EST (#50)
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Sorry, Jen.
I didn't like the red head character because she was a nit wit, not because of her hair color.
And no, before you ask, I do NOT have a thing for women with BLUE hair!!!(^_^)
Which gets me to thinking..., I wonder why so many girls in anime HAVE blue hair?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Hmm
In my expierences, redheads are FANTASTIC!
I like redheads
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I haven't watched TV in about 30 years - who the hell is CarrotTop?
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by Anonymous User on Friday January 30, @01:27PM EST (#64)
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Carrot top is..., well, he's kind of a..., that is to say..., I guess he's a comedian or something. He has big bushy red hair. and he..., says stuff.
But I don't know what he says because I never paid him any attention, exept to change the channel when I see him.
He's supposed to be funny, but like most so called "comedians" today, he's just kind of annoying.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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He is a prop comic, and he is hilarious. Of course I haven't seen anything of his standup in years, but back when i saw him it was a riot.
You have to see it to really get it. TBQ
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Does the male lead of the movie come up with the idea of videotaping her with a message for herself to remind her of who he is?
(It's exactly what I would have done.)
Or is that solution just way too smart for Hollywood?
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"Does the male lead of the movie come up with the idea of videotaping her with a message for herself to remind her of who he is?"
Yes, It's in the trailor at the site.
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He does?
But since I have no intent of ever seeing this movie, I've been avoiding seeing the trailer. ;)
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"they get to watch the beautiful Drew Barrymore beat a man repeatedly with a baseball bat as a hilarious result of him trying to help the boyfriend win her love. "
This is what repulsed me from the movie; not just the merciless, physical beating of a man with a weapon, but the merciless, physical beating of a *prone* man is viewed as funny!
I have an Anime movie called Agent Aika. Although the majority is a fun, action, scantilly-clad female animated movie, there is one scene that I find discturbing. A male teenager says something that a female teenager disagrees with. The scene suddenly changes and the male is flat on his back as the female straddles his chest, smashing her fists into his face. His face is bloody and his hands and feet *twitch* in reaction to each blow. This is supposed to be a "funny" scene. I am repulsed.
R
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 28, @07:37PM EST (#9)
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 28, @10:27PM EST (#20)
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The Japanese seem to be following our leads, here in America and Canada.
They see alot of the movies produced in our country(s) and see that female violence against men is considered cool, funny and sexy. In the last years the Japanese have followed suit.
I collect Japanese movies (Yes, including Godzilla.) and as time goes on with each movie I have seen the acts of female on male violence increase decade by decade. The time line is identical to American, Canadian and Austrailia's movie violence against men.
I used to like anime once in a while, but again as time went by I noticed ALOT of the "girl beatin' up the guy" senerios increaseing.
So I stick with the older Anime, like "Battle of the planets" or even, if I must, "Kimba the (nausiating) white lion".
I saw "The dirty pair" once. I repeat, ONCE!
If anyone remembers one time last year I submitted an artical here at MENSACTIVISM that covered the disturbing trend of violence against men in the media.
I focused on the sexualizing of that violence. and how almost nightly on any given TV show you see a man beaten by women, put in SnM bondage situations usualy via a dominatrix or kicked in the groin, etc.
Frankly I am glad to see the issue being addressed again.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Hey man,
You remember THIS oldie but goodie that I grew up with: STAR BLAZERS!!!!
That was a very very cool anime that made it big in the states when I was a young kid. I haven't thought of that show in YEARS. Truly a classic. Oh, I got a question for ya. If you could recomment a few titles of series or GREAT anime movies for me I would be grateful. I have KAZAA and I could get em free, providing someone has em in a shared folder. Or could you recommend a good site to purchase them from. I apprciate you taking the time to help me on this.
Thanks Thundercloud.
Steven
oh, what does "Hoka hey" MEAN anyways. I was always curious, and since I am posting a question I thought I would ask.
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 29, @01:23PM EST (#49)
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It's been a while since I collected much anime.
Although I mentioned that I was not too fond of the "DIRTY PAIR" siries, because of the anti-male violence, You may like it if you can get around that said violence. I forget the artists and animators names, but I liked the art work in "DIRTY PAIR" I was particularly fond of the girl with the blue hair. but I didn't care for the red head. In fact I think it was her that MOST of the anti-man violence and comments came from.
Have you ever heard of "MEGA ZONE 23"? It is a long one but it's pretty good.
I might have heared of "STAR BLAZERS" but I can't recall.
I'm not sure where, exactly on the 'net' to buy anime, because I found that most COMICBOOK STORES have TONS of it! At least where I live. That's where I get MOST of my over-seas movies, includeing anything from Japan. I got "MEGAZONE 23" from a local video store. But your best bet on finding anime is likely the comicbook places.
There was another GREAT anime I saw several years ago, that depicted the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagisaki. It blended the tragedy with humor VERY effectivly. Problem is, I can't remember the title, either the english one or the Japanese one.
Oh, and What does "Hoka hey!" mean.
"Hoka hey!" is a Lakota and Cheyenne battle cry. It means 'It is a good day to die!' This meant that the warriors were willing and ready to fight and die for their cause. Like at the "battle of greasy grass" (Little big horn".
I am American Indian, myself, so I adopted it as a war cry in our battle with feminists and women in general (and some men) who side with the feminists.
It is not a saying ANY warrior takes lightly.
If you say it you have to MEAN it! And I do!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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HEY THUNDERCLOUD ... can ya HEAR ME?
Lol, I just wanted to make sure ya saw that I was posting to ya.
Where I live I have no access to the stores that you do. I live in NOME Alaska. It's on the Berring Sea (about 200 miles from Russia) on the west coast of Alaska. It's a small town (about Pop: 3500) but it's where the Army sent me.
I am about 1/8 Cherokee myself, but looking at me you would never know. Blond, blue eyed, your basic Norther European Mutt. My DAD on the other hand shows the Indian blood big time. Black hair, gets tan once a summer and it stays for 6 months etc etc. I knew you were Indian from your many posts.
I appreciate you taking the time with the "Hoka Hey" explanation. Thanks =)
I have learned how to do a LOT of online buying for everything, including movies, from living here in Nome. Why? Milk is **$6.00** a gallon for example. EVERYTHING has to come in by air frieght in winter so everything is expensive. Buying online and learning where to do so is part of the survival training as much as learning how to make a snow cave shelter. (lol)
Nice to hear from you. Thanks for replying.
Steven Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Friday January 30, @01:57PM EST (#65)
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You're welcome.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help on the anime question.
As far a Cherokee blood goes. If you identify with that 1\8th blood and beleive in the traditions that MAKES you Cherokee, if that's what you want to be.
Blue eyes blond hair? no problem. Many people of African heritage have blue eyes. I.E. Vanessa Williams. or blond hair I.E. Marriah Carrie, she also has nearly white skin, but none of that keeps them, of course, from being black.
My sister has pale skin, blue eyes and light brown, almost blond hair.
I have a bit darker complection than she does, I'm about the same shade as Marriah Carrie, come to think of it.
For some reason we Indians are told, though that no matter what your "blood quantum" is, your not a "real" Indian. I'm here to tell you that's just bull s#!t. If a person of as little as 1\500th Black blood quantum can be Black, then why is it different for Indians?!?
When anyone asks me "how much Indian are you?" I usually give a glib replie, such as "about a buck-fifty..." I've even turned the tables on them and asked; "Well, how much White (Black) (Hispanic) (Asian etc.) are YOU?"
Oh one more thing. People also seem to expect Jewish people to "Look a certain way". You know, black hair brown eyes, olive complection, a larger nose blah blah blah. But William Shatner is Jewish and Sara Michelle Gellar is Jewish, But you'd never know just by looking at them.
So don't worry about the color of your eyes, the shade of your skin or how wide your cheek bones are. If Jewish and African Americans can be what they are, then Indians should be left alone to be who we are.
But if you just want to be White then that's good too. It's all up to you, no matter what anyone else tells you. as we all have the right to 'self determination'.
Well, I didn't mean to get on a soap box, But I'm an Indian activist as well as a men's activist.
By now you can probably see that (grin) (^_^)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I just saw Godzilla VS Hedra ~Godzilla is the best!
And I know, Carrot Top, Godzilla, DaveK, I really have strange tastes ;-)
The Biscuit Queen
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>They see alot of the movies produced in our >country(s) and see that female violence against >men is considered cool, funny and sexy. In the >last years the Japanese have followed suit.
Pooey, I usually read manga or watch anime because there is less of a theme. Mostly read manga, but you pick up a lot of graphic novels and there has to be some girl with a tragic past [because of a man], there has to be an evil male, etc. usually, that just isn't there in manga. Not all the time but sometimes the same with anime, you can rarely watch any movie without some reference to evil of man, but most of the stuff I watch lacks that element. Men are men and they're there, they aren't the entire evil element.
Maybe I stay properly insulated.
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I have watched a lot of Anime and while it is not in ALL Anime shows/movies, the "female hits/beats a male character for some minor transgression" does appear in quite a few of them. Even something as innocent as accidently tripping and touching a female character can result in retaliation by a female character in the form of horrendous physical abuse. Fortunately, this is not common in the Anime I watch.
"I focused on the sexualizing of that violence. and how almost nightly on any given TV show you see a man beaten by women, put in SnM bondage situations usualy via a dominatrix or kicked in the groin, etc."
The website CAPAlert (www.capalert.com) is a christian site that has a listing of reviewed movies and ranks them from a view of whether or not they are fit for children to watch. Something that I notices that was rather disturbing is that things like a man getting hit, kicked, bitten or otherwise injured in the genitals is under the section "Sex/Sexuality" instead of "Wanton violence/Crime". That's right, the people at CAPAlert view injury to a man's genital as a form of sex, not violence. For example, from the movie Nutty Professor II, "rape of a human male by a giant male hamster" is under Sex/Sexuality.
Basically what I was trying to indicate in my first post is the idea of "merciless" violence as being funny. Like in the movie Analyze this when the crook says that the only time he hears the word "no" is when it is like, "No, no, please no." The idea of a man pleading for his life, or the victim of some horrible, merciless, make-you-cringe-to-see-it act of violence being comical turns my stomach.
R
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 28, @06:35PM EST (#6)
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Corroect me if I am wrong, but doesn't she hit the guy with the bat because he was pretending to beat Sandler? Doesn't she, though she has been misguided, try to protect him?
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"Corroect me if I am wrong, but doesn't she hit the guy with the bat because he was pretending to beat Sandler?"
Yep. She also attacks Sandler with a blunt instrument at one point because she doesn't know him and is afraid of him. There's always an excuse, so it isn't really violence.
The guy she hits with a baseball bat tries running away ahd she continues to chase him and attack him after it's obvious Sandler is not in any real danger, (it was obvious in the first place which is part of the "humor"), and while he make humorous "ow, "oof", sounds, Sandler watches making funny grimaces.
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"Should there have been a deathly quiet scene as a man beats Adam Sandler bloody? His eye is hanging out of socket as she runs up and bashes the other man across the back of the neck with the back. We see Adam watching mournfully with one eye as the bat rises and falls in a shower of blood.
It is(if you didn't notice), a humor movie. They aren't aiming to show you the repercussions of violence."
The point is: it's brutal violence (once again) presented as comedy. If you think we're making too big a deal, then I'd like you to imagine if it were a man hitting a woman with a baseball bat several times while she lay on the ground. Would that be considered humorous, or would there be people picketing? How about an adult hitting a child with a baseball bat?
I see this and I envision the Rodney King video. "Context" is immaterial; the fact is that they both involve a person striking another person (who's on the ground) repeatedly with a stick-like object.
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You cannot declare context to be immaterial. If it is then I call for all self-defense killers to be jailed for their crimes.
Yes it is violence, which is deplorable. It is indeed played for humor. It is not, however, malicious or misandric violence. Once again, it is the result of a plan gone awry. You all seem to react as though it were uber-realistic violence and not Adam Sandler wincing as a guy shouts "Ow!". I've seen worse in a forties era Warner Brothers cartoon.
Would it still be funny if she called the cops and the guy was arrested for trying to help his friend out? Probably not, but the intent would still be there. The humor is in the extreme failure of the plan, not the violence.
If you really want to get down to it, it showcases the tendency of men to assume women are not as, or at all, violent. But that would be a view of the movie you aren't likely to take too.
Someone PLEASE tell me how the scene is anti-male?
And to the above. Your ad-hominem attacks cannot hurt me! And you are likening violent rape to slap-stick comedy. Way to go. Would you like to, I don't know, actually address what I wrote?
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Sorry. Wrong. It was not an attack. She was defending Sandler from what she thought was an attack on him. Defense. Not uninstigated violence. I am not confusing anything, you are.
Once again, the only "debunking" you did was comparing a slap-stick act of defense to violent rape.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 28, @10:37PM EST (#22)
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Part of the difference is;
No one laughs at rape or violence when the victim is FEMALE.
But they seem to when a man is beaten or sodomized or WHAT EVER!
Oh, yeah, That's funny stuff...,(not)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka-hey!"
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"She was defending Sandler from what she thought was an attack on him. Defense. Not uninstigated violence. I am not confusing anything, you are."
If this is truly what it is, then why do you find it funny?
R
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"She was defending Sandler from what she thought was an attack on him. Defense. Not uninstigated violence. I am not confusing anything, you are."
If this is truly what it is, then why do you find it funny? Do you laugh everytime something defends their child from a rabid dog, or defends their spouse from a mugger or someone defends themself from a rapist. Is that what you find funny? Because based on your statement your reaction would be:
Victim: "I just beat off a man that was trying to rape my wife. Good thing I was able to defend her!"
You: "Hahahahahahaha. That's hilarious!"
R
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The 'plan goes awry' is separate from society thinking it is really funny when a woman hits a man. If the woman set up the situation with her female friend, and the man came along and started beating her with a bat, would you find it funny?
Most people would be appalled.
Don't confuse plot with societal bias.
The Biscuit Queen
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I think we finally managed to do it, i.e. pull apart the issues. First off, I haven't seen squat (movie, trailer, or anything) and am just going by what I read here. So, to be fair I will ONLY used what was said here and not refer directly to the movie.
I think there are some vaild points being made, and not ONLY one is right.
1) The constant rejection/misunderstanding theme is pretty common in movies. It's the "drive" for the plot and characters that propells the story. They "why" is this happening. Now, that clinical observation aside, it is MUCH more common to make the romance/seduction that men do into a farce and to use an underlying humiliation as humor. I DO find that funny, to a point. Look, let's be real, how many of us have "struck out" and have "war stories" of how we pursued and lost. The humor element is to take it and make it a farce beyone real life because NO ONE likes being reminded of their REAL life embaressment. But the Hollywood group is VERY careful not to show WOMEN in the same situation as it is seen as degrading. And so we come full circle and then MUST wonder if Hollywood is making movies depicting the humiliation of men as a regular staple of humor while treating the same of women as the "third rail" of humor. If so, why?
2)The context DOES matter. I gotta give MBUTWO that. I would also avoid the rape analogy as it makes the discussion polarized and the original point gets lost even if the stark violation of rape helps better illustrate a point. I DO think the movie is ATTEMPTING to be funny, that it shows a context of self-defense, but that once again audiences would be unamused were the one being beaten were a woman. I just don't buy that it would be so wildly accepted then, can't convince me of it. Gotta toss this in, MRAs ARE sensitive to males-being-beaten as not funny, the question I have for our society is, "why don't you?". I mean, again being real, slap stick IS funny, but only to a point. In BEING an MRA we are TRYING to raise awareness to how far our society has gone to make violent, and sometimes BRUTALLY VIOLENT acts against men to be seen as funny. Now, do **I** like Swartzenegger movies where he's got some snappy line after whacking a person: YOU BET YOUR ASS! But it's in the context of male-female relations that the humilation of and violence against men is objectionable. Consider a movie where Lara Croft beats the SNOT out of some bad guys. I say: Go LARA! It's no different than when VanDamme beats on some dudes. We enjoy it. And in some, SOME, cases even when women get knocked on their asses we find it amusing. But in courtship it's uncalled for and when it's particularly VIOLENT it's wrong. Our society has just been conditioned to FIND it funny and that's what we should ALL object to.
Sorry this post was so long, but we were getting into a pissing contest when we are debating different points, and on much we would find agreement.
With respects,
Steven Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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"First off, I haven't seen squat (movie, trailer, or anything) and am just going by what I read here. So, to be fair I will ONLY used what was said here and not refer directly to the movie."
I think it's rather difficult to judge without seeing it for yourself. The trailer can be found at the movie's website, just click enter site, then go to the menu at the bottom left and choose view trailor.
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"Yes it is violence, which is deplorable. It is indeed played for humor."
And THAT'S what's misandrist about it. If this happened in real life, you'd feel bad about things, but you wouldn't blame her. What's sexist and deplorable is that this is supposed to be FUNNY. If I knocked out a woman who was attacking a family member of mine, I'd be justified in my actions, but it wouldn't be FUNNY.
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I'm taking a break from my workout. Working out is a lot nicer than dealing with a feminist, but, like I say, I'm on a break.
If I knocked out a woman who was attacking a family member of mine, I'd be justified in my actions, but it wouldn't be FUNNY.
This we will never get through to the feminists. And this brings up an important point.
We're going to win this because we and only we have the super weapon: Truth. So, here's the strategy: Appeal to the young. Many men of the baby boom and gen-x generations have cowered before and pandered to feminists pretty much all their lives. With few if any exceptions, those men won't be able to acknowledge that they've been cowards and fools all their lives. Many women of the baby boom and gen-x generations have, for the sake of power, devoted themselves to cultivating hatred against men and boys. With few if any exceptions, those women won't be able to acknowledge that they have promulgated evil and that it is now backfiring on them.
Young girls and boys have not been party to the commission of these atrocities. But they are living the painful costs of those atrocities. They are the ones, who will want to reject the evil and to try to live free of its legacy.
For the most part, ageing feminists are just hateful women who no longer have the power to bewitch with their sexuality. As soon as possible, we must not struggle with them. We must ignore them.
Concentrate on the young. They will quickly see that feminism is an evil that is only doing them harm. Don't waste your time on hateful people who no longer have any power, including the ability to charm and enchant, other than that which you give them.
This is why it's important to work with the likes of the girl scouts and the boy scouts.
The future is where the future lies.
Now back to my regularly scheduled workout. Nightie night.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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For the most part, ageing feminists are just hateful women who no longer have the power to bewitch with their sexuality. As soon as possible, we must not struggle with them. We must ignore them.
AMEN BROTHER, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!
SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those of us who are boomers have struggled with women like this our entire adult lives - women who are so self-obsessed that it simply cannot be gotten across to them that they are not the only people in the world who matter and that the world does NOT revolve around them and their wants and needs.
Far from a back lash , what men are now doing is the great back turning .
The hateful boomer bitches have thrown away all their power. They are no longer young and attractive and able to command attention no matter how toxic they are. They have squandered the years when they could have been building goodwill with their husbands, seeking instead endless immediate gratification of their materialistic desires. And, they have sowed a legacy of contempt, exploitation, and hostility which has been building up in the bank and gathering interest.
Those of us who have survived have outgrown the stage where we get smitten like the Adam Sandler character, and these women have nothing to offer us, and are still demanding much in exchange.
Sexual Edsels - that is what they have chosen to be.
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You know the bicycle really has even less use for the fish...
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Slime on the bicycle's seat ... sometimes I hate having a rather visually oriented mind. Yuck
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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You make your flying leaps off of logic cliffs alone from now on. You all want to compare a slap-stick comedy routine to violent rape? Fine. It makes no sense. You are looking for a reason to feel victimized. I'm not a big fan of violence but I can tell when it is light hearted and not serious. How many of you hold the same burning torches to the Three Stooges, or Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry?
The humor wasn't even in the violence, as I explained. No one wanted to quote that part though. The only reason you say it is misandrist of because it was a woman hitting a man. In defense of a man. Then you compare it to violent rape. You don't even keep the context(which does matter). However, you are experts at taking a quote out of context and using it unfairly.
You make false arguments and then slap each other on the back while talking about them big bad feminists.
Too make matters worse half of you seem incapable of speaking in any rational voice. Either you refer to people as femi-nazis, or as I see above me bitches. I guess I am expecting a lot out of an open internet forum, but you are part of the face of a new movement.
You can keep your victim-hood to yourself. I'm sure there will be a circle jerk of self congratulations and you will all be proud you beat the feminists back. You don't seem to have room for people who don't agree with you though. It's either your line, or I'm a feminist super-nazi.
P.S. I'm an extreme libertarian, twenty one year old, man. Hardly the feminist super-bitch that Thomas fellow insists he is fighting.
Now go on, tell yourself how you succeeded in driving the feminist forces away.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 29, @12:21AM EST (#30)
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Simple question for you.
Reverse the sexes of the people involved. Assume a woman trying to win the affection of a man, and "making plans" and staging a fight with another female. The man comes out with a bat and whacks the attacking woman upside the head.
Is it still funny?
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Mbwuto,
You are standing by your guns unable to look at why the situation is funny in the first place. You are as immovable as they are.
The Three Stooges, Bugs Bunny, and Tom and Jerry were funny. They were hilarious. They also were equal opportunity physical comedy. All three Stooges gave as good as they got. Tom was hit with a pipe as often as Jerry was wacked with a pan. Bugs bunny was an adrogenous witty creature who got everyone. Physical comedy is one of the oldest forms of comedy, and it is a valued form of entertainment.
However, the form of 'violence' must be funny to people.
A grown adult beating a child-not funny.
A woman getting raped-not funny.
A dumb blond tripping and falling with her skirt up? Used to be funny.
Man falling? Funny.
Lucille Ball franticly making schemes to make sure her husband still loves her, or to keep him from being upset? Used to be funny.
Raymond doing the same thing? Still Funny.
A woman chasing her husband with a rolling pin? Still funny.
A man making any minor criticism of a woman verbally? Not funny.
A woman tearing a man apart verbally? Funny.
Woman being kicked between the legs? Not funny.
Man being kicked between the legs? Funny.
Man slapping woman? Not funny
Woman slapping man? Funny
Now take this movie. The first ad scene is her waking up with Mr. Sandler and, upon not recognizing him, attacking him by beating him upside the head with a lamp. Now this to you may be funny. This to many here who have faced false allegations of rape because she changed her mind the next morning, or because she was drunk and essentially had no memory of the occasion, is not funny at all. Would it be appropriate for a man to strike a strange woman in his bed with a lamp? No.
Look at the scene where she is saving him. It is funny. Yet it is also dangerously stereotypical and done to death. This is not one incident where the reverse gets as well as got. This is one sided. Notice that we all cringed more on the ad where the penguin almost gets run over than a man getting assaulted with a weapon? We all care more about the bird than about men.
That is what this is about. Yes, if you talke this one movie as an isolated incident, then it would look like we were blowing it out of proportion. But this is not an isolated incident.
This is the status quo in the western world, and as any one who has studied social history knows, demonization/trivialization of the target group is the first step to widespread hatred of that group.
If you are indeed a man, then you are foolish to ignore this. I challenge you to watch television for a week. Watch a variety of shows, comedies, dramas, talk shows, and keep track what is funny, acceptable, or, in dramas, from who's point of view the plot is portrayed from. I think that once you really look, you will be discusted with what you see. If you are a woman? I challenge you to do the same thing.
It is you who is taking things out of context. You must put this movie into the context of what is the modern western world.
The Biscuit Queen
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Hire the young, while they still know everything.
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"Ah, the cruelty of Youth. It forgives nothing because it knows nothing." - GBS
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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Jen,
That has to be one of the best posts I have ever seen. You lay it out so well and so directly. A few thousand more like you, and this mess would have never got started in the first place.
(zenpriest bows to Jen, because he doesn't have a hat to take off)
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Damn Right. (Bows - since I can't were a hat indoors where I work.)
Let's add The Simpson's (especially the Itchy & Scratchy bits) to the list as a further example of how much "comic violence" has changed.
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You love me, you really love me!
;-)
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Why in the hell WOULDN'T we?!
Let's see:
Feminine w/out being prissy ....
Empathetic w/out clawing into our feelings when we don't lie it.
Smart w/out having to SHOW US how "ALL WOMEN" are smart "ALL THE TIME"
Probably cute w/out using your looks to get what you want with complete disregard for "others" (men)
And
Supportive of MRAs w/out just standing there and doing nothing while our lives get shredded.
hmmmmm
got a sister?
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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You cannot declare context to be immaterial.
EXACTAMUNDO! And the whole context of this film is "Let her keep shitting on you. It's worth it to have her."
Fcuk that. The women who are worth going after once are few and far between. The only woman worth going after 50 times would have to shit gold nuggets, cook better than Emeril LaGasse, and be able to suck start a Harley.
I'll just take a pass on the "Woman Hits Man=Comedy, Man Hits Woman=Tragedy" paradigm on GP. If I want to see people whupping up on each other as comedy, Larry, Moe, and their changing sidekicks did that over fifty years ago, and nobody has yet to improve on it. Druggie Little Drew Barrymore least of all.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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See, what these terribly ignorant girls are enjoying is the thought of someone caring enough about them to want to work at being with them. Amazing. Is this somehow deplorable? Frankly, I think it is a fairly normal human condition to want to be wanted. This movie is all about a man who wants her enough to work at it. Big deal.
Another staple of humor is the turnaround - the reversal of roles. I agree that it is a fairly normal HUMAN condition to want to be wanted. The offensiveness in this move to the male perspective is that the female is so oblivious to the male, that the concept of her actually wanting him is so ludicrous that by itself the concept of repeated and extended rejection forms part of the humor. I would have probably found the movie just hilarious if the situations had been reversed and she was knocking herself out to be noticed by a guy to whom she was so insignificant that he couldn't even remember having seen her.
As hard as you may find it to believe, few men enjoy the experience of being rejected. And, in today's psychotic "date rape" climate, "I have to wash my hair" really does mean "no".
Of course, I think the proper response to such stupid movies is to simply not pay to see them. Films that flop at the box office send the most eloquent message possible back to the movie studios.
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Sweet Buddha, thank you. This is a post I can respect.
No one enjoys being rejected, and I never said otherwise. I do. however, see your point. But I think the constant rejections are funny. They are the whole point of the movie even. I don't think they are malicious though. Nor do I think the movie is about how she is too good for him and he has to prove himself. He does afterall have sex with her when he first meets her. If that's rejection I want more of it.
I think it's just a misunderstood, probably not very good, movie that may not deserve the attention it is getting from us. I don't think it is a bullet in the misandrist machine gun.
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But I think the constant rejections are funny.
As white people during the middle part of the century no doubt found the "Step-n-Fetchit" type of black character funny. I suppose it all depends on whose ox is getting gored as to what is humorous and what is not.
I think it's just a misunderstood, probably not very good, movie that may not deserve the attention it is getting from us. I don't think it is a bullet in the misandrist machine gun.
No, but it does reflect an attitude which men see as being all-to-common among women and which is beginning to generate a large degree of hostility toward those women among those men. And, the inevitable result of having women dismiss the concerns of men, will be for men to reciprocate.
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Sorry, the ads all show Drew Wacking men with large blunt objects, and men still following her around like dogs a bitch in heat.
This looks like a STUPID movie which uses all the old anti-male stereotypes to get gags. Men won't go see it unless dragged by their girlfriends who they are foolish enough to follow like dogs a bitch in heat.
It is misandrous in that if the roles were reversed, and a woman was pursuing a man the whole time, getting assaulted and beaten for her efforts, the movie would be boycotted by NOW, if it even got past the drawing boards.
I hate these movies and it will not be getting my money. The Biscuit Queen
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Anybody want to nominate some excellent, HONEST films that explore the male-female relationship ("gender wars") theme?
My all-time pick would have to be "Last Tango in Paris," Bertolucci's dark 1972 classic of mise-en-scene.
Brando is the ultimate man-in-existential-angst, hard to watch the scene where he rails against his dead mother, her corpse lying in suspended decomposition in an upstairs bedroom in his apartment.
The scandalous "butter scene" is still a great metaphor for how men experience the need for female approval.
And, if nothing else, Maria Schneider's assets put Drew Barrymore's to shame!
Now, that French girl really knew how to take an erotic bath!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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"Should there have been a deathly quiet scene as a man beats Adam Sandler bloody? His eye is hanging out of socket as she runs up and bashes the other man across the back of the neck with the back. We see Adam watching mournfully with one eye as the bat rises and falls in a shower of blood."
No, that scene would not make sense in this movie. Next question?
"It is(if you didn't notice), a humor movie. They aren't aiming to show you the repercussions of violence. They want to say. "UH OH! LOOKS LIKE THE PLAN WENT TERRIBLY AWRY! WA WA WAWAWAWA!" A tried and true formula for humor. Not original but few movies are lately. The humor is that the plan failed, miserably."
My objection to that scene wasn't that a joke was made about a plan going awry, it's that a woman beating a man with a baseball bat was portrayed as humor. As others have already commented and you have failed to address, it would not be seen as humor if a man repeatedly hit a woman with a baseball bat. It would be seen as violence, and our society would recognize that this desensitizes us to violence against women. In the US, men make up 90% of the victims of violent crimes. The last thing we need is more desensitization towards violence against men.
"If you see it as a feminist attack on masculinity"
Easy, big shooter. Who mentioned feminism? And where did I say anything about masculinity? No I don't see this as an attack launched by feminists, or targetting masculinity.
"then I have to direct you to your soul mate, Andrea Dworkin."
Ah, the old "You're just like the worst feminists" argument/soundbyte. Tell me son, do you really not see a difference between objecting to the constant media trivializing of violence against men and claiming that all hetero sex is rape?
"I like how the writer of the write-up somehow inferred that young girls would like to be" just like her when I grow up!"
If it's actually news to you that teenage girls idolize beautiful movie stars, then you're really in no position to make any kind of social commentary at all.
"The perfect relationship for women involves being pursued? No kidding? See, what these terribly ignorant girls are enjoying is the thought of someone caring enough about them to want to work at being with them."
You failed to notice the one-way street here. She gets to be loved just for being pretty and usually nice, he's only valued for what he does for her. The lesson is that men aren't worthy of love just for being who they are, they need to earn it over and over again. The other lesson is it doesn't matter what a woman does, as long as she's attractive she's worth more than men, since they need to do something to earn her affections. These lessons are repeated ad nausium in the media, though not always to this extreme.
"The movie at it's heart, and we can all only speak from the previews here, seems to be this.
1. Girl and boy meet and like each other
2. Boy wants to keep pursuing girl - So far, so good.
3. Girl can't remember boy. - Obviously he didn't mean as much to her as she meant to him.
4. Boy hatches fifty plots to win her back fifty times. - Boy's an idiot. Boy has apparently forgotten that there are other fish in the sea. This one is obviously completely unappreciative of anything he has done or ever will do for her and is also incapable of forming any emotional attachments. Throw her back.
5. Plans go utterly awry - But as long as no woman is injured, we won't call it violence.
6. In the end they fall in love and stay together(Is there any other way for it to end.) - Sure. He finally recognizes that he cannot have a meaningful relationship with someone who isn't capable of committing, or even remembering who he is. So another woman he's known a while tries to cheer him up by sitting around and reliving happier moments with him as it slowly becomes obvious that she remembers every moment they've ever spent together. It turns out she's everything the other girl isn't, she appreciates what he does for her and gives in return, she's willing to commit to him, and she doesn't attack everybody. Realizing that this is exactly what he's been looking for, a now wiser Adam falls in love with her instead. Come to think of it with that ending it wouldn't be all that bad of a movie.
"Unless Dworkin runs in at the end and screams that he will rape her with his love, I think that this movie is pretty safe."
That the justification for your opinion completely ignores the counterarguments makes it worthless.
And that the writer is a bit reactionary.
That's a very loaded word. Yes I am "reacting" to the trivialized violence and the "men need to keep buying women's love" message in the movie. No, this is not me being "reactionary" to what I percieve as a "feminist attack". I don't think feminists had anything to do with the making of this movie.
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She gets loved just for being, and his being, (and even his past doings), are forgotten every day and so he must do more to earn her love, (and naturally she simply needs to be in order to "earn" his, no matter how a**holish her doings have been).
(I thought I posted this comment once before, but for some reason it didn't take.)
I'm surprised that women and feminists are not all over this movie for this subtextual message. "She gets loved just for being ...." BEAUTIFUL
In the trailer shown on the web, he is going about his life which seems fairly satisfying - if comical - until one day he is absolutely smitten with her "beauty" and sex appeal. He doesn't meet her at a party or other social function where he is charmed by her personality; in fact, someone who cannot remember from one day to the next probably cannot be said to even have anything resembling a "personality."
Compare the premise of this movie with the premise of something like "Shallow Hal" (which I haven't seen, only heard about) and it basically boils down to "a man will fall in love with you if you are pretty enough, even if you are dumb as a brick." br>
Isn't this exactly the type of message that women have been bitching about for years? Oh where is Naomi Wolf when we need a good dose of yuppie kvetching?
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