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This, in my estimation, is the real essence of herstory, that is, history seen through feminist eyes. Jaundiced, biased, compromised, revised, and even fabricated. Yes folks, that's what herstory really is.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday January 20, @07:58PM EST (#6)
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What is this obsession of making victims into heroes? By their deaths, did these women further the Feminist cause? Or maybe, in their deaths, these women can further the Feminist cause...
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday January 20, @06:15PM EST (#2)
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This topic on 9/11 certainly merits discussion but I think we should remain focussed on the task in hand. I see the post on our battle with David and Goliath is heading for the archives. Would it be a good idea to suspend new posts while this battle is ongoing? The time and effort involved in getting involved in discussions on new topics would be far better spent in writing the letters/emails and making the phone calls needed to win this battle.
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Registered users can customize their homepage to set their "maximum topics" so that stuff doesn't go into the archive so soon. Just click on your own username.
Also, Zenpriest can post an update to get the D&G status back on top.
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"This topic on 9/11 certainly merits discussion but I think we should remain focussed on the task in hand. I see the post on our battle with David and Goliath is heading for the archives. Would it be a good idea to suspend new posts while this battle is ongoing?"
I appreciate your desire to promote the battle with d&g, but I don't think it's necessary or even wise to suspend new posts while doing it. It's the new articles which drive traffic to this site, and if we suspend them we might actually be doing more harm to the d&g campaign than good. Instead of putting everything else on hold, I would much rather post an update on the campaign every few days or so. This keeps the news moving and I believe will ultimately generates more interest overall.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday January 20, @07:05PM EST (#5)
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"I would much rather post an update on the campaign every few days or so."
Yes, I think this would suffice. Actual suspension of new posts would probably not be a good idea as this battle may be protracted. Stalingrad took 3 months to win and our victory in this battle may take as long as this.
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Would it be a good idea to suspend new posts while this battle is ongoing?
To summarize the responses -
While I appreciate the sentiment and logic, I agree with those who have responded. As soon as the topic goes off the main page, I will cue it up again. We all have our hot spots, and this is mine. I want to see that asshole driven into bankruptcy and living in a cardboard box.
Activity generates activity, and people gather to see where the action is. I think the MORE posts the better, because those drawn in by the campaign itself may lurk and learn.
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"I want to see that asshole driven into bankruptcy and living in a cardboard box."
Most appropriate sentiment!
What feminazi proclaimed (Betty Freidan?) that "the personal IS political?!"
Maybe he can have two cardboard boxes though?
One for his residence... and a much smaller one for his remaining inventory of hateful, bileous tee-shirts?
He may have to employ them for insulation or a suitable pillow to rest his much-diminished ego.
I also want this guy to feel the brutal reality of cause-and-effect!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Hmmm - boy, I sure wish I could have gender normed tests and be allowed to do girl-pushups and all other kinds of reduced PT in the name of quotas, and still whine about being discriminated against for not being in the Fire Department. How worthless can you get? Christ almighty, stupid bitch, as it stands there's a mere token qualification to get women in and promoted in the NYFD; hell all you have to do is show up.
Despite this, women were absent in droves and running out of the WTC, while MEN ran in.
Hmmmmmmmmm......
Yeah. Whatever. Heroines my ass. Women having their bacon saved by brave men who get killed in the process of doing it, and pheminasties trying to make some political hay on the coat-tails of their blood sacrifice.
Pretty fucking sickening if you ask me - but what's even sicker is that it is so typical and predictable from their subhuman kind.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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I wonder how we get men to go on strike and force the femidiots to put up, since we know they won't shut up.
I think it would be great to drag a bunch of female fire fighters to the scene, and then say "get your asses into that burning building" - preferably with the TV cameras rolling.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday January 20, @09:56PM EST (#11)
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"Despite this, women were absent in droves and running out of the WTC, while MEN ran in."
There are no feminists when the lifeboats are lowered.
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There are no feminists when the lifeboats are lowered.
Well, since men won't get them anyway, and women think we are all abusers and "rapists", let's just skip the lifeboats and let them swim for their own lives and those of their "sisters". Lowered physical standards won't do them any good then.
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make a customer complaint.
The Biscuit Queen
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Ya know Jen, I love ya ... but you got some issues ... lol. "customer complaint" ... that's a good one.
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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;-)
that is the only address I could find to make a comment...author was convienently absent.
Yeah, I guess 'customer complaint' is a bit silly. I looked again and found better ways to contact them.
Message boards:
http://womenshistory.about.com/mpboards.htm
Guide's email
womenshistory.guide@about.com
TBQ
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It's interesting that this came up. I JUST read a book (actually I am 80% of the way through it) called: "Last Man Down" by a battalion fire chief. It has no mention of women firefighters in it, not mentioning gender issues at all or discounting women, but it's a good quick read. One of the guys in my unit is also a volunteer firefighter here in Nome. Anyways, I digress as usual, in it he describes the unhesitating heroism and professionalism of the firefighters that day. His account is from the beginning of the day, through their experience, and is full of details that make you feel like you're part of the action.
What bothers me is the Herstory revisionism that is coming to light. If a woman is a hero on any given day, let's celebrate that PERSON (oh, and by the way, she's a woman - great). But to marginalize the heroism of MEN who were doing their job in a business-as-usual way, to dismiss our heroes, is such a blatant discrimination. If there were, hypothetically, hundreds of women who were the heroes of 9/11, we should celebrate the PEOPLE who were heroes. Even as an MRA I have no problem with this. Heroes often come from unsung and unlikely sources. If the hero is a woman, a man, black, white, Jew, or Gentile is a second issue entirely. All of you here know how I have lamented on the PC'ing of our military, while giving kudos to our female soldiers who serve proudly. PEOPLE who serve should be celebrated. It really makes me see red when someone ignores true heroism in the name of a political agenda, and this example is a case in point.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Hillary Clinton once said that "The real victims of war are women and children".
The (extended) quote directly from the text of Hilary's speech is:
"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known."
And no, the quote is not taken out of context.
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"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known."
I stand corrected. One thing to note is that in her attempt to try and shift sympathy and aid from men who've been victims of war to women is that Hillary failed to realize that men also suffer frome everything she menioned. Men lose freinds, fathers, sons, loved ones in combat. Men lose homes because of war. Even if we assumed that these losses really are worse than dying or being maimed, women still wouldn't be the primary victims because men would suffer all those things plus dying and being maimed. But logic has never really been a primary consideration when one wants to sympathize only with women.
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Hillary failed to realize that men also suffer frome everything she menioned. Men lose freinds, fathers, sons, loved ones in combat. Men lose homes because of war.
You’re right. The only justification I see for the claim is that there are more women than men left alive to experience the emotional suffering.
The argument boils down to the claim that women are victimized by not being killed.
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by Anonymous User on Friday January 23, @12:43PM EST (#24)
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It is all very much like saying that if a giant meteor struck our planet and wiped out all life upon it that it would effect WOMEN more than any one.
Give me a break.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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It is all very much like saying that if a giant meteor struck our planet and wiped out all life upon it that it would effect WOMEN more than any one.
A few years ago, I actually saw a feminist claim that WOMEN suffered worse deaths in the Holocaust than men did.
Men really need to start looking behind the rhetoric and realizing that narcissism is so rampant and out of control that these people really do believe that they are a superior form of life and have a basic contempt for male life.
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Note something extremely important about this statement. Suspend your own value judgements about what she is saying, for just one moment, then reapply them after you have completely grokked what she is saying -
"...a woman's suffering is more significant than a man's LIFE!!!!"
This is true. They value their own victimhood above all else, and our LIVES only to the extent that we are meal tickets for them.
And men want to "protect and provide" for such creatures?!?!?!? Oy vey!!!
Pretty well explains Loriane, doesn't it?
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 22, @08:46AM EST (#19)
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You are so right zenpriest it does explain loriane, hillary, gloria, my x wife, my x girlfriend, my cousins wife, my friends wife (all of them). . .maybe it would be easier to list the few that don't think like that.
Maybe Jenk, ummmmmmm . . .mmmm. . .mmm. . .ugh
Well thats about it! As far as I know of. . .don't know any personally.
And you stated "And men want to "protect and provide" for such creatures?!?!?!? Oy vey!!! "
For the life of me I don't know why men protect and provide or date, commit, marry, socialize, purchase, work for, associate etc, etc. It certainly isn't logical, goes against common sense and these days if a male has any responsabilities what so ever, its just plain irresponsable. Live and learn and teach our sons!
steve
games without frontier. . .war withou tears
as the sleeping giant awakes
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"...a woman's suffering is more significant than a man's LIFE!!!!"
This is true. They value their own victimhood above all else, and our LIVES only to the extent that we are meal tickets for them.
Zenpriest, my son, you have now reached a higher plane of understanding. To reach the next level you need to appreciate that an individual who has a very real chance of being elected the leader of the free world in 2008 spoke the words you refer to for all to hear.
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an individual who has a very real chance of being elected the leader of the free world in 2008 spoke the words you refer to for all to hear.
What is worse, that individual has a better chance of being elected President of the US in 2004 than I think most people realize. If a bogus "grassroots" Draft Hillary movement does not appear by the time of the Dem convention, I will be amazed. With the current Dem field as fragmented and fruity as it appears, it is very possible that no one will have enough delegate votes to get chosen by the time they reach the convention. Perfect time for a Dark Horse.
The medicare boondoggle and the immigration issue may really alienate a lot of the middle class against Bush, and there is a sizeable and growing sentiment that the best strategy for the voters right now is to impose their own version of "term limits" and simply vote against the incumbent.
Other than that, lay off the Kung Fu reruns, AJ - it looks silly for a round eye to be playing buddha.
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