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Beasts of Burden
posted by Hombre on Sunday November 09, @10:26PM
from the Finally-they're-acknowledging-what-we've-known-for-decades dept.
The So-called Wage Gap Philalethes writes "This excellent article examines the reality behind some major feminist myths, e.g. "equal pay for equal work": it turns out that only a small percentage of women are really interested in the "equal work" part. Even among the new generations of "liberated" female college graduates with "advanced" degrees, most work at best part-time, at enjoyable "hobby" jobs, while pushing their husbands to work themselves to death to maintain them "in the style to which they've become accustomed." Plus ça change... Some useful statistics, e.g. "Despite an epidemic of obesity among women, there are five widows for every widower.""

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Double standard alive and well (Score:1)
by LSBeene on Monday November 10, @05:36AM EST (#1)
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This just goes to prove what we have speculated and said for years. Many women have an escape hatch to the stress of working. Like the post below it goes to show that many, but not all, women are not being held back at all, but rather choose to devote themselves to a family. I, for one, don't have an issue with that if it's a mutual decision. If a man and a woman agree to a plan it's not a bad thing for one (man OR woman) to stay at home. Now, that being said, it SHOULD be for a short time and not indefinately or forever. Men are not workhorses nor slaves. I know I am preaching to the choir here but, how would a woman feel if she worked herself gray, worked 50-70 hours a week, and then after a few years her husband got "unfulfilled" and took AT LEAST 1/2 the marital assets, got the children, and made HER pay alimony and child support? I can guess the answer. It would be called the "enslavement" of women. In the name of equlity, I call it the same name.
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Re:Double standard alive and well (Score:1)
by jenk on Monday November 10, @10:11AM EST (#3)
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I think the main issue is that women tend to not view men's jobs are work.(?) I just read a joke about how a man wanted to stay at home for a day like his wife, who he though had it easy, so God made him a woman. He stayed at home, but had a weeks worth of chores to do in one day. At bedtime he was not done and was so exhausted he prayed for a break. He woke up as a man. I don't know ANY household which could not be run easily if the woman worked an honest 4 hours a day at it. The chores listed would have taken about 3 hours solid work. Yet the brunt of the joke was that working men have it easier than stay at home women.

I think these women need to be on an episode of those 18th century reality shows. Let them do laundry by hand, make their own soap, clothes and bread, butcher their own chickens, grow their own food. No washing machines, central heat or air, microwaves, gas or electric stoves, indoor plumbing, running water, restuarants, refridgerators, etc. Now raising a family in those conditions is a day's work.

I remember that in one episode the woman was angry because her husband went off to work every day and escaped. Well, look at modern life, it seems the escape is home now. The men work the same hours as 200 years ago, but the women do not.

As long as feminists insist on choice for women yet not for men, there will be resentment. These women are not only shooting themselves but the rest of us in the foot by acting like this.

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Re:Double standard alive and well (Score:1)
by Boy Genteel on Monday November 10, @12:57PM EST (#4)
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Jen, if it hasn't been said here 200 times already, we boys appreciate your being here. Well said.

And none of this is to suggest that homemaking isn't real work. It can be very laborious. But while these women are at home with no boss, the men are literally killing themselves. This is a tragedy.
Re:Double standard alive and well (Score:1)
by Dave K on Monday November 10, @02:34PM EST (#5)
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I think this article, while pointing out a very real issue we're dealing with, also buys into a couple of feminist propegated myths.

"Yes, on average, kids with stay-at-home-mom do a bit better, but that is largely because a couple that can afford to have mom staying at home are, on average, from a higher socioeconomic class, which confers many other benefits on the child. Millions of children with working moms do just fine"

By who's metric is this statement made? What study out there (other than feminist funded) shows that children who spend 10 hours a day in daycare do as well as children with a stay at home parent? I don't believe that for a minute becuse Jen and I have both seen the affects of daycare on kids (from poor and wealthy parents), and it AIN'T PRETTY.

"even if a child accrues a small net advantage from having a stay-at-home mom, that advantage is usually more than outweighed by the great pressure added to the husband's life and the lifestyle decrement that comes from the lack of a second income"

This sounds like opinion to me. As a guy who's lived with a wife who worked and is now staying at home I don't believe such a blanket statement can be made. Sure there's pressure in having to support the entire family, but I've been raised since childhood to deal with that pressure... it's no biggie (and there's a certain satisfaction that comes with providing that I beleive is distinctly MALE). What I DID have problems dealing with was getting home from work and having a ton of additional work to do becuase Jen was working too. If she made enough to hire a housekeeper I'd agree with his assessment, but I make more in a couple hours than she was making all week... it's MUCH easier and less stressful on me for her to stay at home. Of course this assumes that's something your partner wants too, because forcing someone to stay home when they want to work can add a whole lot of stress to your life :). I think many households have the same call to make, sure the wife could work and supplement income... but how much will she need to make to offset daycare, travel, etc? How highly do you (as a guy) value your time out of work? Is the loss of time to chores outweighed by the additional income? These calculations need to be made even if you buy the "no benefit to kids" concept... which I think is bunk.

NOW... if Jen was pulling down 60-100k the equation would be different for me (although possibly not for her), now that the boys are in school I think things are a bit more flexible, and the selfish part of me would love to have some additional disposable income. :) At the same time however, I know that I'd most likely blow that money on toys... things that aren't really necessary in the big scheme of things.

In circumstances where the additional income isn't necessary for survival I don't believe his position holds water, kids know when they're taking second fiddle so dad and mom can drive Beemers.
Re: "Hero" = "Slave" (Score:1)
by Roy on Monday November 10, @07:41PM EST (#6)
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In his outstanding work, THE MYTH OF MALE POWER, Warren Farrell writes about the genesis of the term "hero" --

"Was a hero a servant? Yes. The very word "hero" comes from the Greek ser-ow, from which comes our word "servant," as well as "slave" and "protector."

A hero was basically a slave whose purpose was to serve and protect. To protect the community in general, women and children in particular."

Today, all but a very few men (in our insidious Patriarchal society) are "wage-slaves" in service to the very same ancient creed... provision for and protection of their wives, children, and communities.

Nothing much has changed in eons, except that capitalism now subjugates men with massive debt instead of actual iron chains; and, of course, contemporary feminism excoriates men for failing to be heroic ("slave-ish")enough...

Hey! I hear that high-income metrosexuals are gonna be the real answer to this feminist quandry!


"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear." - Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
Re: "Hero" = "Slave" (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Monday November 10, @09:07PM EST (#7)
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"Nothing much has changed in eons, except that capitalism now subjugates men with massive debt instead of actual iron chains; and, of course, contemporary feminism excoriates men for failing to be heroic ("slave-ish")enough... "

Well what about the men who go to prison for not "paying"?

All one has to do is follow the money.
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excellent article (Score:1)
by Tom on Monday November 10, @09:19AM EST (#2)
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Excellent article! Thanks Philalethes, good to see you.

 
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