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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @06:41PM EST (#1)
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It is feminists who are afraid of female equality. I totally support female equality. Female equality would involve women losing all the privileges they hold on the basis of their gender. When they lose these privileges, men will cease to be second class citizens. I think one of the main aims of MANN is promotion of female equality.
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by Anonymous User on Monday November 10, @01:27AM EST (#57)
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I'm not even gonna bother going to their website too see what they are saying.
I can pretty much guess what they say and in what calibur.
I USED to be a DEMOCRAT myself, but it is just the attitude they show towards men, men's activists and yes even towards INDIANS that made me abandon the party.
I mean here they are CONSTANTLY preaching "EQUALITY" and yet they do everything they can to destroy it.
The only people they want "equality" for are those "groups" who tow the liberal party line and contribute to the party with big bucks.
And one of those "groups" are MILITANT FEMINISTS!
To be fair the Republicans are guilty of similar sin. But I don't see the Republicans ACTUALLY trying to destroy groups of people they may have a "problem" with.
Not to mention that the Democrats pretty much told us Indians to "go screw ourselves", just as they are telling MEN in general to do.
To use an old stereotype saying of a Hollywood Indian, 'The libs speak with a forked tounge'.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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T.C.!!!!!!!!!
Where ya been, you old reprobate?
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Monday November 10, @08:22AM EST (#60)
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GONZO!!!!!
I had some Indian activism to attend to for a couple of months, then I got really sick for a while, then my computer went kaput on me again.
It's been a rough 5 months.
But I'm back to stay now, unless my computer goes whako on me again.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Thundercloud!! I've been thinking about you. I have missed you. So glad to see you back!!
Standyourground Forums
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If the fuckers wanna come and bring it over here, more power to them. Better have tried and better have fallen, as the proverb goeth.
Other than that, why should I give a fuck what they think? In fact, I hope they dismiss me and my brothers as weak and pathetic. Ain't hardly a better thing in the world than to be underestimated by your enemies.
*VERY BIG EVIL GRIN*
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @09:54PM EST (#11)
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I found something I actually agree with Gonzo on!
who cares what they think.
It seems there's something wrong with my connection over there. It keeps on freezing. I did see one post that was open minded somewhat though. It's for the better, I use to go to that site all the time and I couldn't take coming across all the misandric shit over there. I have a big idea on what they're probably saying. And the men just put up with the blatant sexism directed towards men. As if they're not allowed to speak up for themselves. They've been emasculated, or just want to look approving to the women.
One time I was "chatting" with a feminist at DU and she was basically saying that men who like pornography are just the same as guys who like kiddy porn! No joke. I had to explain that women aren't children and that it's basically mysoginist to believe so.
And then there was the time Andrea Yates came on the seen and everyone at DU kept on wanting to come up with reasons for her killing her children. At the very begining they blamed the husband BEFORE any information was even known about him. I saw their sexist shit up close and personal and I couldn't take it, I fought back and was called sexist for doing so. I hate their shrill shit. I can't even say how much their shit pisses the fuck out of me. So it's probably good for my blood pressure that I can't see more than one posting on this thread.
I still go there but I avoid reading ANY post that has to do with gender or women. It just bothers me so much I can't handle it.
I've come the conclusion that they're mostly (in general) just a bunch of middle/upper middle class (no offense this time) professional liberals who talk about social justice because it makes them 'feel' good and comfortable with their priveliged ass lives, not because social justice has any stake in their personal lives. It can be condescending over there.
People wanted to kick me out because of my anarchist views and called on Liberalism's hypocrisy.
Was this person who started the thread on DU by any chance the guy who was debating with you guys on that one thread that's up to 80 something posts? It seems like quite a coincidence.
Sorry about my rant but I can't stand those feminists over there, or maybe in gerneral now. I had to get that of my chest. I'm not against the ideals of what we're told feminism is supposed to be about though.
You would think equality goes both ways, ya know.
P George
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @10:10PM EST (#12)
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Oh yeah one more thing. One time some feminist at DU listed a long list of male priveliges. Get this, one of them stated men are priveliged because they aren't burdened with a birth control pill like women are. NO JOKE, I might not have the exact words correct but that's basically what it said.
Yes it's such a privelige that men have only TWO forms of birth control while women have somehwhere upwards of TEN forms. What a privelige to have for myself hardly any say over my reproductive rights.
They can't even recognize their own priveliges and then have the audacity to say their priveliges are really MEN's priveliges. god damn, what a mind fuck.
P George
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @10:38PM EST (#15)
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That's why logic and reason must be applied in these discussions. Getting too emotionally distracts from the issues and usually ends up in flame wars.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @11:49PM EST (#20)
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Having given the matter much thought, I can think of only one privilege associated with being part of the male gender, namely the privilege of having a life expectancy of 6 or 7 years less than women. Given the society we live in , I consider this a distinct privilege. If I can think of any more male privileges, I'll let you all know.
Footnote: According to my dictionary privilege is spelt P-R-I-V-I-L-E-G-E. I've noted at least 2 alternative spellings favoured by posters to MANN. I hope my striving for orthographic excellence will not cause offence.
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Well men die earlier because after putting up with women's crap for so long, we WANT to.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 07, @09:57AM EST (#28)
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Notice how at the 'democratic' board where all people's rights are supposed to be represented, the moderator can and DOES delete posts which dissent from the agreed opinion of the group? How members can and are kicked out for not agreeing? Also, how not only do you have to be a member to post, but they do not allow people with accounts like yahoo to join,(but will offer to set you up one of their accounts?)
Lets see, here anyone can post, and any opinion is left posted and left to be rebutted .
Gee, and we are so trying to take away rights here, aren't we?
TBQ
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...but they appear to be in the minority. Most are of the type to say "oh, poor whiny male" and other highly intellectual argument [smirk] as that.
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...is to lock these rabid feminazies with the rabid right wing conservatives from MND in a small closet. Let them fight or make out until both groups gain some small measure of common sense.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 08, @04:25AM EST (#41)
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The only problem with that is that the conservatives will kowtow to the feminazis.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 09, @11:49AM EST (#45)
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"with the rabid right wing conservatives from MND"
Don't look now, but your liberal left wing "feminist promoting" politicians are very unpopular these days.
As far as what you say having any truth, MND is by far the lesser of evils that exist these days, considering all the things the FEMICRAT party has brought us.
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liberal left wing "feminist promoting" politicians
There are plenty of conservatives who support the feminazi platform, but aside from that: what liberal politicians? Seriously, there aren't any true "liberals" in office. They only seem liberal now because the Republican party has drifted so far to the right that its not even funny. If Bob Dole were a Democrat, he'd probably be called 'liberal' right now.
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by Anonymous User on Monday November 10, @12:55AM EST (#56)
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Barbara Boxer
Nancy Pelosi
Brad Sherman
Sheila Kuehl
Hana Beth Jackson
Ted Kennedy
Tom Daschle
Patrick Lahey
all Femicrats
Democrats authored the Violence Against Women Act that has caused more damage to lives of innocent men than any other piece of corrupt legislation in the history of the country. Feminist Democrats promote and support paternity fraud in CA. They have an office of women's health, but none for men. They have 31 women's commission, but none for men. They even have an education commission for women in prison, but men are 93% of the prison population.
There is a group of feminist legislators in CA, but none for men. The list of women belonging to that is quite long - over 20, (all Democrat).
The list of liberal femicrats is much longer, but the vast majority avidly promote the radical feminist agenda. Republicans only acquiesce to it out of chivalry and ignorance (make that stupidity).
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Monday November 10, @08:27AM EST (#61)
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I'd like to just sick Humpy the wonder dog on the lot of 'em and have DONE with it, sheesh...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I said minus feminazi issues, because if the list of people who voted for the VAWA is your sole measure of wether or not you are "liberal", then plenty of die-hard conservative Republicans are now just as "liberal" as any of the politicians on your list.
Republicans only acquiesce to it out of chivalry and ignorance (make that stupidity).
Baloney, since when have the republicans turned into such wimps? Cracking down on "deadbeat dads" (a la the recent Ashcroft campaign) and "abusive husbands" falls into the Law and Order category, and you'd have a devil of a time finding any GOP politican who doesn't pander to Law & Order issues.
Are feminist issues vastly overrepresented? Of course they are. Its a sacred political cow, much like our blank-check support for Isreal (you say anything negative about Isreal and you're an anti-Semite) or our 40 year embargo of Cuba (when China has most-favored-nation trade status).
Screaming yourself hoarse at the Dems is stupid, because you're ignoring the other half of the problem. So I say again, minus feminazi issues, name some politicians who are truely liberal, as opposed to ones who are called liberal simply because they critize Bush and are in the Democratic party. Howard Dean is a perfect example: his policies as govenor were center to conservative, but the press keeps asking if he's too liberal to be elected.
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by Anonymous User on Monday November 10, @06:13PM EST (#68)
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"if the list of people who voted for the VAWA is your sole measure"
I'm talking about the people who authored it - Democrats. It is the Demorats leading the feminist charge and it is the Republicans acquiescing to it.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Monday November 10, @06:18PM EST (#69)
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"So I say again, minus feminazi issues,"
Sorry authoring feminist issues stays in as a guideline in my book of who is an unacceptable politician, and it is the Democrats exclusively promoting those issues. Liberal or conservative is not all that important to me, feminist or not is.
Ray
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and it is the Democrats exclusively promoting those issues.
Hey, did you skip over the stuff I said about "Law and Order" issues? From the senate.gov page:
S. 2787, Violence Against Women Act of 2000
Sponsored by Senators Biden/Hatch
STATUS ORDERED REPORTED FAVORABLY BY A VOTE OF 17 YEAS, 0 NAYS, 1 PASS
Ooo! Looky! Sponsored by a Republican! There goes the exclusivity... Face it, Congress was under the control of Republicans, and there is no way the VAWA if it hadn't had their support. If that's not enough, here's some more....
On Thursday, March 19, 78 members of the House of Representatives led by Representatives John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI), Connie Morella (R-MD) and Charles Schumer (D-NY) introduced the Violence Against Women Prevention Act of 1998.
The bill, sponsored by Rep. Jan Shakowsky (D-IL), Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) and Constance Morella (R-MD) restores and expands legal protections granted to battered immigrant women.
On January 19th, the Senate introduced its own Violence Against Women bill. It is sponsored by Senators Biden (D-DE) and Specter (R-PA)
And thats with 5 minutes of searching on the federal level, much less looking at the states. So the constant bitching about Democrats here and on MND is stupid for three reasons:
- It's naive, because plenty of this kind of legislation is introduced or co-sponsored by Republicans as well as Democrats.
- Its the same tired tactic used by feminazis: guilt by association. Somewhere, some guy beat up his wife, so all men are bad. Somewhere, some Democrat introduced some legislation that is unfair to to men, so all Democrats are bad.
- Most importantly, it really pisses people off who agree with and would work with you. Not all Democrats are in bed with the feminazies any more than all Republicans are ankle-grabbing alter boys for the priests of the regligious right. Go read Glenn Sacks articles and find a single instance where he bitches about the craven liberal Democrat.
I'm going to quote HombreIII, as he summed it up very nicely on a different thread:
I wish you, and several others in the movement as well, would stop trying to group your causes together. I think libertarians managed to pick just about the worst possible combination of ideas from both the left and the right, (let's legalize drugs and make easier access to guns!), and that the end result of their pure "laissez faire" capitalism would be the equivalent of communism only instead of the government telling you what job you work for and at what wage it would be the owner of the corporate town you were born in. But I will be absolutely happy to overlook these differences in opinion if a libertarian wants to work with me fighting the family courts. It is because of this that I won't write an article titled "Why Libertarians are Wrong About Everything" or try to draw a link between feminism and libertarianism and use it to persuade men's activists to go after libertarians. It seems that those who like to attack the left don't like to return that courtesy.
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Sorry, I like Libertarians! Gun control allows the people who don't deserve guns to still get them, but those who should have them cannot. (at least in the most strict form, which is where gun control is heading). Ted Nugent is my hero.
Legalizing drugs may just have the same effect on drug crime as lifting prohibition. At least the government would make the money instead of the south americans, then the money could (ideally) go for programs to help US citizens. Takes the incentive to sell to kids right out of the equation as well. I am not saying I would fight for this, but I don't think it is as bad as people imagine.
So as I have probably just shot myself in the foot here and no one will ever talk to me again...
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @12:17PM EST (#74)
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"Most importantly, it really pisses people off who agree with and would work with you. Not all Democrats are in bed with the feminazies any more than all Republicans are ankle-grabbing alter boys for the priests of the regligious right." "So the constant bitching about Democrats here and on MND is stupid for three reasons:"
You are the one who started this whole thing with your nasty comments about the people at MND so I suggest you look at your own comments (look in the mirror)).
And I still say it is Demorats and feminists that are the prime forces destroying men's lives in this country, regardless of the slanted approach you have taken in reporting that reality. Go back to that list of elected Democrats I initially posted and check their voting records if you dare. Go back to the place you have gathered all the stats you have posted and present the whole picture, and not just those that support your viewpoint. I think MND reflects more accurately that record. Having worked on a college campus for so many years it is very easy to see whose bed all those women's studies programs are in (Democrat).
So the constant coverage on MND calling attention to the blatant misandry of the Democratic party is right on the money, or haven't you noticed the huge numbers of men leaving the FEMICRAT party. Wake up and smell the Democrats.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @12:25PM EST (#75)
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Jen:
There is a lot of common sense in the Libertarian movement. There are a lot of good things in the Libertarian platform. I think the presence of the Libertarians and Greens has already caused extremists in both major parties to moderate somewhat from their hard line positions. Unfortunately their is still no party that I see addressing the militant feminist misandry that is doing so much to destroy this country through the destruction of innocent men's lives.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @12:31PM EST (#76)
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"Ooo! Looky! Sponsored by a Republican! There goes the exclusivity... Face it, Congress was under the control of Republicans, and there is no way the VAWA if it hadn't had their support."
Scudsucker:
This is from Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer's web site. Did I read "her VAWA act?"
Ray
http://boxer.senate.gov/issues/crime.html#domestic
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
One of Senator Boxer's proudest accomplishments was passing her Violence Against Women Act into law as part of the historic 1994 crime bill. She continues to work to toughen penalties for domestic violence perpetrators and train law enforcement and medical care providers to identify and treat domestic violence victims. In this Congress, she introduced the Domestic Violence Identification and Referral Act (S. 198), which would give federal grant preference to schools for health professionals that train students to identify, examine, treat, and refer victims of domestic violence. She is also a lead cosponsor of a bill to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act to continue and expand the important programs provided under the original Act.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @12:42PM EST (#77)
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HIGHLIGHTS OF SENATOR BARBARA BOXER'S RECORD ON CRIME
http://boxer.senate.gov/issues/crime.html
Senator Boxer introduced the Domestic Violence Identification and Referral Act (S. 198), which would give federal grant preferences to medical schools that offer training in identification, treatment and referral of patients who are victims of domestic violence. Her bill is included in the comprehensive Violence Against Women Act reauthorization bill currently pending in Congress.
Senator Boxer was the House author of the Violence Against Women Act that toughened laws against perpetrators and continues to provide funding for campus safety, battered women's shelters, and training programs for law enforcement to identify and better understand cases of domestic violence. The Act was incorporated into the 1994 crime bill.
Senator Boxer is a cosponsor of the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which would increase federal authorities' ability to assist local hate crime investigations and prosecutions and would expand the federal definition of hate crimes to include crimes based on the victim's gender...
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @12:54PM EST (#78)
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Here's another one,
Ray
From the web site of:
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi
Introduction of the Domestic Violence Legal Services Eligibility Act
March 13, 1997
Mr. Speaker, today I am introducing legislation to ensure that no woman who is a victim of domestic violence will be denied legal services because of the economic status of her abuser.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @01:06PM EST (#79)
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Here's this,
Ray
From the web site of:
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi
Pelosi: We Must Have A Strong Violence Against Women Office
May 1, 2002
Mr. Speaker, I commend Congresswoman DeGette (D-CO) for bringing this motion to the floor and I thank her, Congresswoman Slaughter (D-NY), and Congresswoman Baldwin (D-WI) for their leadership on this issue.
Under the leadership of President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft, the Violence Against Women Office has been systematically weakened. Just within the last two months, the policy department of the Violence Against Women Office disappeared, and the Director of the office has no access to the Attorney General or the President and no seat at the table to affect the policies of this Administration with concern to violence against women.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @01:09PM EST (#80)
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Here’s this,
Ray
From Democratic Congresswoman Louise Slaughter’s web site
SLAUGHTER’S BILL TO FIGHT VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN PASSES HOUSE
Today the House overwhelmingly passed the 21st Century Department of Justice Appropriations Authorization Act (H.R. 2215), which includes Rep. Louise Slaughter’s legislation to make the Violence Against Women Office a permanent and independent force in the Department of Justice.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @01:24PM EST (#81)
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Still more.
This one from Democratic Congresswoman Baldwin’s web page. Do we see a pattern emerging?
Ray
February 16, 2000 Baldwin Pushes Increased Funding for Violence Against Women Act Amendment Adopted by Judiciary Committee
The House Judiciary Committee today unanimously adopted an amendment authored by Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin (WI-02) to increase funding for Violence Against Women Act Law Enforcement and Prosecution Grants. The amendment to the Judiciary Committee’s FY 2001 Budget Views and Estimates urges the Budget Committee to approve full funding of $220 million for these grants to states to promote multi-disciplinary approaches to fight violence against women.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @01:29PM EST (#82)
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Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi
Commerce, Justice, State Appropriations Bill
November 14, 1997
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi Gains Protections for Victims of Domestic Violence in Commerce, Justice, State Appropriations Bill
Legislation also includes funding for marine and coastal programs
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), a Member of the House Appropriations Committee, announced that the 1998 Commerce, Justice, State Appropriations bill, which passed the House yesterday, contains funding for marine and fisheries programs and language to protect victims of domestic violence and promote workable solutions to deal with juvenile crime.
Domestic Violence. A key provision of the legislation includes language, originally introduced in the House by Rep. Pelosi, to require the Legal Services Corporation to use only the income of the client when determining the eligibility for services in cases of domestic violence only. "More than 4 million women each year are abused by their husbands or partners. Eligibility for legal services is now determined by household income, leaving open the frightening possibility that victims of domestic violence would be denied legal assistance because the abuser's income exceeded the threshold for household income requirements," Pelosi said.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @01:33PM EST (#83)
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Still more again. 1st you drive the men out of the colleges, then you reduce their sports programs so they reflect the percentage of men enrolled thereby driving more men out of college. What a wonderful way to empower women.
Ray
REP. SLAUGHTER APPLAUDS DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION STATEMENT ON TITLE IX
Washington, DC - U.S. Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY28), co-chair of the Congressional Caucus on Women's Issue, today applauded a letter from the Department of Education that reinforces Title IX, the landmark educational equity law that requires that schools and colleges receiving federal funds must provide female students with athletic opportunities comparable to those of male students.
"The Department of Education has only reaffirmed what the courts, the Congress, and the public already know to be true: that Title IX works and should be left alone," said Rep. Slaughter. "This is a great victory for the women of this nation,
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @01:44PM EST (#84)
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Men are routinely denied services at domestic violence shelters throughout CA, just because they're men
Ray
This is from Democratic State Senator Shiela Kuehl's web site.
KUEHL BILL TO ENSURE CALWORKS FUNDING FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PREVENTION 3/5/2001 Senate Bill 217, introduced by State Senator Sheila Kuehl (D-23), would provide state funding for domestic violence prevention and recovery services for those enrolled in the CalWORKS welfare-to-work program. SB 217 requires counties to include the development of domestic violence services, in cooperation with providers of services to victims of domestic violence, in their welfare-to-work plans. It also specifies that these services will be designed to assist victims of domestic violence in becoming self-sufficient. To this end, the bill allows additional funding for these services to existing domestic violence shelters with a proven record of service.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @02:41PM EST (#86)
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How many Republicans can you find in these pictures? I count 31 femicrats out of 31 faces.
http://www.sen.ca.gov/womenscaucus/members.htp
What happens when a man goes to a domestic violence shelter in California?
There are 31 Women's Commissions in CA, but none for men.
Welcome to Femifornia, and it's Femicratic leadership.
Ray
"The California Legislative Women's Caucus was formed in 1985 by nine Democrats and six Republicans."
"Domestic Violence
Violence against women is the leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 14 and 54. The Women's Caucus has made securing funding for domestic violence shelters and protecting the victims of domestic violence a top legislative priority."
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @02:49PM EST (#87)
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What you have seen above is just the tip of the misandric femicratic iceberg that is bearing down on every man in America.
To put it in more succinct language, Save America, DON'T VOTE FEMICRAT!
Sincerely, Ray
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I'm definetly with you on the decriminalization of drugs. Not so convinced on the guns tho.
I would like to sit down sometime with an intelligent Libertarian who can give decent explanations for some of their ideas on how government will work, because to me it seems that a country living under Libertarian principles would be anarchy with property rights.
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You are the one who started this whole thing with your nasty comments about the people at MND so I suggest you look at your own comments (look in the mirror)).
*cough*bullshit*cough*
You are confusing cause and effect here, Ray. Just as we have had it with feminazies who complain that all of their problems are due to men, I have had it with people who lay men's problems on the *entire* Democratic party. Pick any day of the week, and you'll probably find a dozen links to shrill Ann Coulter style rants on MND.
Want to tell that black chick running for president that she needs a platform other than "I'm black, female & oppressed, vote for me!", wonderful. Want to call Ann Richards a bitch for her crack about women in texas having to borrow gas to run over their husbands? I'll find you a bullhorn. But focus your ire on those few people, rather than half the people in this country.
And I still say it is Demorats and feminists that are the prime forces destroying men's lives in this country, regardless of the slanted approach you have taken in reporting that reality.
Sure its slanted - the Dems and the GOP approach it from different slants. Dems: we must right the historic oppression of women by men. GOP: we must enforce Law and Order on these wife beaters and deadbeat dads, as well as protect the 'women and children'. In short, while the Democrats maybe more vocal, both parties have screwed men over royally to the point where hair-splitting over who is "worse" is a waste of time.
Go back to that list of elected Democrats I initially posted
And you'd have a really great point, just as soon as you find out where I said no Democrat in office has ever sponsored this kind of legislation.
and check their voting records if you dare.
Oh, so voting records are suddenly important again once we are talking about Democrats and not Republicans? I thought the only important thing to you was who wrote it, which is silly, since most legislation is written by lobbyists, not Senators or Congressmen, and is greatly modified in committee. Committees that have been chaired by Republicans. More to the point, I dare you to check those bills and see how many had Republican sponors.
So the constant coverage on MND calling attention to the blatant misandry of the Democratic party is right on the money, or haven't you noticed the huge numbers of men leaving the FEMICRAT party. Wake up and smell the Democrats.
Uh huh. And how are the Democrats at fault for Ashcroft's crackdown on "Deadbeat Dads", all of whome were simply to poor to pay off their child support debts? Where was the shreaking and hand-wringing on MND then? Where were the editorials lambasting the elite, out of touch, evil conservatives, eh? Wake up and smell the hypocracy.
Glenn Sacks has it right - he lays the feet at the blame of *all* state and federal governments and agencies, where it belongs. Petty sniping isn't going to take the men's movement anywhere.
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 14, @07:51PM EST (#93)
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"I have had it with people who lay men's problems on the *entire* Democratic party."
Why, that's where they squarely belong? Anyone who has done their homework can clearly see the Femicrats are the driving force in the persecution of men in this country.
"GOP: we must enforce Law and Order on these wife beaters..."
Yea, after the hate monger femicrats created all those laws, and relentlessly bash men every chance they get with new misandric legislation.
"And you'd have a really great point, just as soon as you find out where I said no Democrat in office has ever sponsored this kind of legislation."
You obviously didn't even read what I posted. Many of them are clearly taking credit for exactly that.
"More to the point, I dare you to check those bills and see how many had Republican sponors."
Do your own research. You are the one supporting that position. I've gone to the Femicrat sites and posted a mountain of evidence supporting my contentions, while you refute it with mere opinions. I will give you credit for citing some things in your original posting, but even there it appeared there were far more accusations than solid facts supporting them.
"how are the Democrats at fault for Ashcroft's crackdown on "Deadbeat Dads"," Where was the shreaking and hand-wringing on MND then? Where were the editorials lambasting the elite, out of touch, evil conservatives, eh? Wake up and smell the hypocracy.”
Go back and read my earlier "editorial" on Ashcroft. You even commented on it in one of your other postings.
"Where were the editorials by conservatives, eh? Right here, wake up and smell your own biases.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 14, @11:53PM EST (#94)
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"I have had it with people who lay men's problems on the *entire* Democratic party. Pick any day of the week, and you'll probably find a dozen links to shrill Ann Coulter style rants on MND."
Sorry, I've been too busy reading Georgia, Democratic Sen. Zel Miller's bestseller book about the Democratic party called, "A Party No More." It seems more and more Democrats are cathcing on every day. Wake up and smell the Exodus.
Ray
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Oh, so because he put some of his opinions down in a book, they must be true? Wow, thats interesting. I'll write a book too, putting lots of crazy shit in it, so it becomes true.
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Why, that's where they squarely belong? Anyone who has done their homework can clearly see the Femicrats are the driving force in the persecution of men in this country.
If you're talking about Barbara and Hillary, sure. If you're including the whole party, no. What you don't seem to be getting is that it doesn't matter what party they belong to, these policies are popular among almost all politicians. Dem, GOP, Green, Independant, it doesn't matter: protecting women from the 'epidemic' of domestic violence, collecting child support and funding breast cancer research are popular stump topics. Just because promoting women's issues isn't listed as a core GOP platform, doesn't mean they wont do it enthusiastically. And I'll throw out Ashcroft again because he's such a prefect example.
Don't believe me? Call a few Republican politicians - city, county, state, national - and ask them about their views on those subjects.
A few guys in the men's movement really need to run out and buy a copy of "How to Make Friends and Influence People", because as a fledgling political movement we shouldn't be allienating people needlessly.
Yea, after the hate monger femicrats created all those laws, and relentlessly bash men every chance they get with new misandric legislation.
That would be BIPARTISAN legislation, thank you very much, as I demonstrated with that list of legislation co-sponsored by democrats and republicans.
You obviously didn't even read what I posted. Many of them are clearly taking credit for exactly that.
What in the heck are you talking about here? As I origionally said:And you'd have a really great point, just as soon as you find out where I said no Democrat in office has ever sponsored this kind of legislation.
As for these people taking credit for legislation: whoop de do! Thats what politicians do. They say "I helped pass" or if they sponsored it, they'll say "I passed my bill". Any senator or congressman is constantly in that mode, as their constituents what their representative is doing for them, and don't care what a rep three states away had do do with it. Its quite possible they'll say "my bill" without mentioning the other sponsor.
Do your own research. You are the one supporting that position. I've gone to the Femicrat sites and posted a mountain of evidence supporting my contentions, while you refute it with mere opinions.
Um, no, thats not how this works. I'm not going to prove your hypothosis for you. You trot out a nice list of legislation to prove how those kind of bills are introduced by 'femicrats'. To which I responded, oh thats interesting, but how many of those were *equally* sponsored by 'femipublicans'? You are asserting that those bills were only sponsored by democrats, so it is your job to prove that that is the case. Oh, and I didn't just throw out opinions, I threw out a list of legislation that had republican co-sponsors.
Go back and read my earlier "editorial" on Ashcroft.
I did. It wasn't brimming with contempt for femipublicans, it seemed to be more a state of shock, or was it a realization that femipublicans are just as nasty as femicrats.
Now, before this conversation degenerates into an endless loop, why don't we just agree that politicians from both parties are eager to screw men over. Lets focus our ire on the *individuals* responsible for this crap, rather than whole groups of people that we've never met and don't know what they belive in. :)
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 15, @01:03PM EST (#97)
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"Don't believe me? Call a few Republican politicians"
I have, you're wrong.
"A few guys in the men's movement really need to run out and buy a copy of "How to Make Friends and Influence People", because as a fledgling political movement we shouldn't be alienating people needlessly."
With friends like Femicrat, Democrats who needs enemies? Besides the Femicrat Democrats don't read those books, but who do you think bought all those copies of Hillary's recent book? How many copies did that book sell?
"That would be BIPARTISAN legislation, thank you very much, as I demonstrated with that list of legislation co-sponsored by democrats and republicans."
Did you go to those web sites I submitted? Obviously not. You must give credit to the Femicrat Democrats for the Misandry that they are predominately the creators of.
"Um, no, thats not how this works. I'm not going to prove your hypothesis for you."
Well your certainly not proving yours with all the hot air your blowing, but go to those Femicrat web sites and study further the Misandry that is created there. It is gigantic. I am quite surprised that you miss such obvious male bashing man hating as that overwhelmingly "propagated and disseminated" by the Femicrat Democrats, or is it more politically correct to say "propagated and oviated?"
"Lets focus our ire on the individuals responsible for this crap..."
You've got it, it's the Femicrat Democrats and their ilk. Kudos to MND for staying on top of the truth and revealing the deviltry of misandry that exists inside the Democratic party. As far as an endless loop, the Femicrat Democrats have already brought that by being the prime contributors to man hating policies supporting domestic violence, dcss, cps, women's studies, paternity fraud, false accusations against men, child custody, etc.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 15, @01:06PM EST (#98)
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"Wow, thats interesting. I'll write a book too, putting lots of crazy shit in it, so it becomes true."
Scudsucker:
Let me know the release date.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 15, @01:09PM EST (#99)
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Scudsucker:
1st to a hundred wins!
Ever the gracious debater, I await your reply
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 15, @03:01PM EST (#100)
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Are you the AC below who broke 100? :) BTW its much easier to see if anyone's replied to one of your posts if you have an account....
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I have, you're wrong.
I'm skeptical.
who do you think bought all those copies of Hillary's recent book? How many copies did that book sell?
Damned if I know. What I do know is that the bitch needs a good beating with the Clue Bat.
Did you go to those web sites I submitted? Obviously not. You must give credit to the Femicrat Democrats for the Misandry that they are predominately the creators of.
Is the Christian Coalition the Republican Party? Or is the NRA the Republican Party? Just because you have a vocal special interest group doesn't mean they speak for everybody.
Tell you what: since some anonymous anonymous coward, grabbed post 100, lets settle it this way. The current top story on the main page is the crackdown on deadbeats in Michigan...if Attorney General Mike Cox is a democrat, you win, and if he's a republican, I win. ;)
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by Anonymous User on Monday November 10, @11:33PM EST (#71)
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"Republicans only acquiesce to it out of chivalry and ignorance (make that stupidity).
Baloney, since when have the republicans turned into such wimps? Cracking down on "deadbeat dads"
Scudsucker:
You make a good point and it bears repeating so let's enumerate that list of Republican traits that serve to deny men their inalienable rights:
1. Archaically chivalrous
2. Ignorant of Men's issues to the point of stupidity
3. Greedy capitalist pigs who would rather destroy a family, a Father, than establish equitable and fair child support payments and custody arrangements. Chivalrous, Republican, capitalist pigs promote and support enslaving men to a system of child support that could only be honestly described as usury in the way that it enriches government. If any business ever employed such an outrageously exploitive system of extortion, we would lock them up and throw away the key. Pro family my butt, Republicans are pro scam artists, when it comes to Father's rights.
Republicans today tend to be religious bigots who don't recognize any family, but the intact, undivorced ones. I would describe Republican Christians today as modern Pharisees in a Good Samaritan story, where they walk right past the battered, beaten, and broken Fathers lying along the side of the road. They are too sanctimonious to dirty their self righteousness with a little justice for a Father who just wants to have his child in his life. Republicans today glory in their holier than thou virtues, but their policies which are destroying Fathers stink to high heaven.
Sincerely, Ray
If I have offended any Republican Christians, tough, I am one, and I know the hypocrisy that permeates that group. If anyone considers me to be a brother out of line in what I have said, by all means correct me, but be specific.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @07:19PM EST (#5)
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This individual is neither rational enough nor intelligent enough to warrant credibility. Dismiss this message as the ranting of a lunatic.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @08:07PM EST (#6)
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If I'm not angering a militant feminist with the truth about their vile misandric agenda, then I'm not doing enough.
I love the sound of militant feminist teeth grinding in the morning. It sounds like... hysteria!
Ray
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yes... EXACTLY. The more they complain the happier we should be, and the more motivated we should ALL be to make sure to give them LOTS to complain about.
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 07, @12:08PM EST (#31)
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If these feminist are not making false allegations, trying to have males arrested on false charges, and censoring rational debate then we have not done our job.
It is a fact of life that when they are confronted with reality that they will tell every lie, pull every dirty trick, and make any possible false allegation to have a masculist arrested and taken down. It is our job to make certain that they get more shrill so the public can see the truth.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @08:17PM EST (#7)
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This truly is as a result of men coming together for the common good of not only men, but men women and children. This truly is a result of women coming together for the common good of not only men, but men, women, and children.
Bottom line, "This truly is the result of everyone coming together for the equal good of men, women and children, unlike the bigotted gender feminists who can't see past the noses on their faces. My guess on the reason for their short sightedness is that they spend their time sticking their noses in other peoples business, where it doesn't belong."
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Most of the posts at that site appear to totally misrepresent what MANN and the men's movement is all about. They remind me of the occasional troll poster at Men's Issues Online. Plus their posts are long on ad hominem attacks on us and short on logic and reason.
Steve
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I couldn't agree more. They ask what planet are we from? I'm always asking what planet are they from? It's clear to me that they will never see any of our points. No matter what you say they can twist it round to something that's a disadvantage for women.
Definition of a feminist: A women who can be on a lifeboat rowing away from the Titanic and complain about the terrific advantage the men staying on deck have.
What advantage?
They can hear the band
Raymond Cuttill
Men's Hour Blog
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @10:37PM EST (#14)
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"What advantage?"
Or as my mother said of my father when he passed away. He always took the easy way out, now I'm left all alone to fend for myself.
No doubt those cowards on the Titanic thought similarly, leaving those poor women unprotected in the cold dangerous ocean.
Men are just wrong, and the sooner they are all done away with the simpler women's lives will be.
The only mistake that men ever make in women's lives is in thinking that they matter. Any feminist on that web site will confirm that. In the mean time enjoy life and have a good time, and if you must touch live electricity or become involved with women insulate yourself from the dangers.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @11:13PM EST (#19)
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"A women who can be on a lifeboat rowing away from the Titanic.......".
I think a few men were actually allowed on the lifeboats to do the rowing.
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 07, @12:12PM EST (#32)
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"A women who can be on a lifeboat rowing away from the Titanic.......".
I think a few men were actually allowed on the lifeboats to do the rowing.
Well the woman and children need their beast of burden (men). Cannot have those women risking a sliver from the ore to save their own lives.
Warble
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"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."
--Thomas Jefferson
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @10:27PM EST (#13)
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...and in matters of politics from a feminist perspetive, hiss, insult the opposition, and declare the matter to be thus and thus, just because I say so.
As another poster has said, refering to a Jack Nicholson character explaining his writing style:
"How are you able to write like a woman?" Answer: "Easy, I think of a man and then I take away logic and reason."
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by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @10:51PM EST (#16)
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I believe it was more like "reason and accountability". Or maybe responsibility, I'm not sure.
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Its: "I think of a man ... then I take away reason and accountability" Jack Nicholson - As Good as it Gets w/Helen Hunt
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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It is a business venture. A collection of like minds generating a footprint from which to draw business.
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Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 08, @12:00AM EST (#37)
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Ah yes, "venture communists." How obvious. Could this be the nightmare version of the American dream?
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Maybe a virus, some kind of STP(Sexually Transmitted Psychopathology).
They are courtiers without a court. Hangers on without a grip. Lesbians in search of dildos. Media that has lost control of itself and left everyone floundering.
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Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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Most of their replies are on a childish, emotional level, designed to hurt our feelings - saying that we are whiners and so forth. This is what you can expect from the great unwashed masses. The majority are totally incapable of critical thinking, so their thought follows the same patterns it has since they were toddlers: me right you wrong everything mine.
They don't get what masculism is about. They don't understand equality because for them equality means they have to actually pull their own weight. It would mean an end to all their entitlements - in the courts, with selective service, in domestic violence shelters, et cetera... ad infinitum. Actually *prove* he hit me and that I'm not using the legal system in order to punish him for loving another? Gasp! But I'm a woman! You should all believe me! My mascara is clearly smeared from crocodile tears here, people! Get with the program!
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What shocks many people as I choose my words - and trust me, often they are chosen to slap upside the head and challenge - is how much I repeat the mantra of "Fuck 'em" and "Worthless twats who aren't worth the gunpowder it'd take to blow them to hell."
Gents, it's calculated, and Hunsvotti strikes where it is designed to hit home.
For years we have been allowing women - who know exactly diddley and squat about being a man - to define masculinity, and to shame (or try to) men into behaving as they want them to.
What is required to break that cycle is basically the realization that the only proper response to it is an abrupt upward thrust of the middle finger.
I remember when I had my epiphany on that subject, when I'd heard one to many "A real man would do whatever it took to please me because I'm a woman. A gentleman would let me abuse and take advantage of him. But I give birth! What do men do? Bitch and whine, blah, blah, blah..."
I'd had it, and I finally said, "Look you dumb bitch. What the fuck do you know about being a man. Got a pair of nuts that are your own?"
Look of shock. "Well, .. where do you ... I mean..."
"Didn't think so. Shut the fuck up. Thanks for playing."
(female sour look) "Well, that might be a reason you don't ever have sex..."
(Shaming tactic alert and tip Accusing you of not having sex is just a thrust here. Ignore it.)
"What makes you think you or your kind are worth screwing?"
(Enter fishy-face. God what a rush.)
That type of shaming language only has power if you let it. And even in the cases where they are right on a given subject, (Hell, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again!) they should still be squelched as a matter of principle. Just say, "Stop. Before you even try to define what being a man is, I want to see you drop trou and slap Harry Dick and the twins on the table as your bona fides to entitle you to an opinion. No? Shut yer pie-hole. Thanks for playing."
Just say no to phemi-kook definition of masculinity. The paper it's printed on ain't even worth wiping your ass with.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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A while ago I posted the story of how a bitchy teenage girl challenged me for right-of-way on a ledge. In this country we drive and walk to the right, and one of my pet peeves is people who insist on walking to the left, expecting me to make way for them. I was affronted, and resolved not to yield.
After an unfriendly exchange of words there was a silence of a minute or two before she finally realized I would not be moved and left. But she had to leave a parting shot. "That's why you masturbate every night," she hollered over her shoulder after she was twenty or so paces away from me. I did not feel compelled to respond. Let her lick her wounds.
In any case, I would rather beat off for the rest of my life than be beholden to some shrew who thinks I can be treated like a second-class citizen.
I do not understand why a teenage girl would be stupid enough to go out of her way to wrongfully provoke a man who was more than a head taller than her. I can only imagine the milquetoasts that pass for men in her family. She probably talks $#!7 to her father, and he probably takes it. What a sorry state of affairs.
There is much talk about how men must respect women. Perhaps we also need to talk about women respecting men. And men respecting themselves while we're at it, 'cause they can't respect us if we can't respect ourselves.
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After an unfriendly exchange of words there was a silence of a minute or two before she finally realized I would not be moved and left. But she had to leave a parting shot. "That's why you masturbate every night," she hollered over her shoulder after she was twenty or so paces away from me.
What you should have responded with was the ultimate insult you can give to a woman. Its not "fatass", "ugly", or "cu**".
Drum roll.......the worst thing you can say to a girl, is......you're just like your mom!
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Alright, that was low!*shudder*
The Bisquit Queen
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 07, @07:53AM EST (#24)
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"Actually *prove* he hit me and that I'm not using the legal system in order to punish him for loving another? Gasp! But I'm a woman!"
Very well put. I am a victim of false DV accusations by a lying vindictive ex, although I didn't cheat, I caught her cheating and she used the system to dispose of me. and the system came down hard before any examination of facts took place.
I told my most recent girlfirend about what had happened, and anytime we had some type of disagreement she used to threaten "remember what happened last time, who do think they would believe" - with a smirk. -needless to say I found another cold woman... She is not in my life anymore.
We live in a gender-fied Orwellian society.
In MA, it is hard to find a women who hasn't been corrupted with "doublethink" feminism.
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 07, @09:24AM EST (#27)
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What if women woke up to a different world. One where she had to get up every weekday and work for 9 hours a day to support her family, while her husband chose whether or not to bother to work? What if she was very unhappy in her marriage but couldn't leave because if she did, she would lose her children yet have to pay 20-50 percent of her income to pay for those children. What if she was accused of abusing those kids by the father during the divorce and therefore could not see them at all, even though there was no evidence. What if he was beating her, but when she called the police they arrested her?
What if she was single and had to pay for every drink and dinner, even when the guy was not really interested and had no intent on another date? What if they had consensual sex and the next day he decided he was embarrassed and reported it as a rape. She is in jail, picture and name inthe paper, fired from work, disowned by the community, all on the accusation, before it even goes to trial?
What if there is a war and she is drafted. She goes overseas, gets shot at, watches all her friends die, and comes home to listen to men gripe about how hard it was to stay home and not have 'choices'.
What if she goes to school her whole life and 95% of the teachers are men? She is in trouble for drawing rainbows and unicorns, she is not allowed to play her games on the playground, and they cannot wear dresses or jewelery at halloween. The boys have classes which prepare them for all their choices,encourages them, favors them, but little to help her get the education she needs to support her family when she gets older. The school is set up for boys, and if she has a problem with that she is put on Ritilin?
What if she is in college, and there are 20 men's studies courses and zero women's interests classes. There are grants for men but none for women? There are men's only groups all over campus, yet as soon as she tries to set one up for women it is shut down as sexist and unconstitutional.
What if over one million girls in the US were genitally mutilated per year, yet the men blocked research to stop it in order to work on the several hundred circumcisions which slipped through illegally, and to concentrate on boys the middle east where it happened to both sexes.
What if more men graduated high school, went to college, more men were in the fortune 500, more men abused children, more men were voters, more women committed suicide, more women were assaulted, more women lost their children in divorce, and yet men complained they were disadvantaged?
I guess the men would say her breasts were too small and she just had a complex?
The Biscuit Queen, who has no penis to be complex about, and her breasts are just fine, thank you.
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*Applaud* Thanks Biscuit Queen. That was a great post!!
Renegade
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excellent. [never thought about the alternative to the no violence/weapons crap in school halloween stuff] Anyway, the big massive point they missed on that board is there are lots of men's rights issues. Much like women's issues, not everyone agrees with every issue, but all are examined with one thing in mind: how it affects women [usually to the disadvantage].
A lot of issues affect everyone, but a law that defines rape as "an assault on a female's genitals" is obviously going to affect women alledging rape and men accused. Depends on the focus.
And, to be fair, there are a lot of posts comparing feminists to nazis. If you actually examine it, it makes sense, but to the uninitiated it seems insane.
I don't agree with every poster on this board 100% of the time, but I do find the issues interesting to know about, discuss and more importantly, be active about.
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OMG, you are so freaking bad-ass, Jen. :)
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 08, @12:11AM EST (#38)
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Okay, I think we can say here that Jack Nicholson's version of women (abscence of reason and accountablility has notably exceptions).
I have always held that the problem with stereotyping any group is that "just when your sure you've got a group all figured out some individual comes along and blows all your ideas right out of the water."
If America survives, and I hope it does, it will only be because we still allow everyone to be the person they want to be within the limited boundaries of the remaining freedoms that we have.
If we ever lose free speech you can kiss America, and your own behind good bye.
Ray
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Wow... you had enough free time to write this... I must not be patriarchially opressing you enough!
Great post... you should use your stny email addy to register to that board so you can post this, although by the sound of if they'd just delete it.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 08, @04:14AM EST (#40)
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Apparently we are having an impact or these losers wouldn't be so scared of us. Ask yourself who are the wimps now if they are scared of men standing up for themselves. They are.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 08, @01:18PM EST (#42)
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I don't think anyone is scared of us. I think a few of them are afraid of specific individuals.
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Yeah, like me, cause I am the BAD ASS BISCUIT QUEEN!
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Yes, I think at this point the feminists are very cocky, sitting up on high, confident their defenses will hold, that they are untouchable. They look at a few of us, like Glenn Sacks and Cristina Hoff Sommers and start to worry a little, but I think they still have no clue that they are not beloved of the people any longer. For every men's commission, for every woman who faces the consequences of her actions, for every law that starts to back away from woman worship, they will slowly understand that they are not inpenatrable (pun intended) and then they will be afraid of each of us.
The Biscuit Queen
(BTW, the director's cut of Two Towers comes out soon, feeling a little epic withdrawl lately.)
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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 08, @11:35PM EST (#44)
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"Yes, I think at this point the feminists are very cocky, sitting up on high, confident their defenses will hold, that they are untouchable. They look at a few of us, like Glenn Sacks and Cristina Hoff Sommers and start to worry a little,"
Jen:
I have been on the net now, regarding these issues, for over 5 years, and there have gotten to be more and more insightful people of courage and goodwill who will not tolerate the lies that these gender feminist monsters use to destroy innocent lives. More and more these vile repulsive creatures of no integrity are forced to stand before us with "co clothes." Yuk!
I have to go wash my mouth out with soap now at the thought of those last few words.
Ray
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"I have been on the net now, regarding these issues, for over 5 years, and there have gotten to be more and more insightful people of courage and goodwill who will not tolerate the lies that these gender feminist monsters use to destroy innocent lives. More and more these vile repulsive creatures of no integrity are forced to stand before us with "co clothes." Yuk!"
Ray,
What, specifically, have been your experiences? What happened? We need good news!
Bri
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 09, @04:15PM EST (#48)
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"We need good news!"
Last week, the European Commission (runs European Union)directed that it was illegal to charge higher insurance premiums to male drivers.
Hope this qualifies as "good news"!
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 09, @05:08PM EST (#51)
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The entrenched, systematic misandry is just as bad as it was 5 years ago. The big difference is that there were no voices refuting those liars 5 years ago. I honestly felt quite hopeless as I daily scoured the net looking for support for my male victimization at the hands of those rabid feminist hate mongers.
I would talk to myself, "I know this happened." "This is crazy." "What the heck is going on?"
There are many more supportive voices on the net these days. Unfortunately many of them have been manufactured as victims out of the hate mills of our college Women's Studies programs and our miscandric courts.
I see no end to the tragedy in sight, just a long protracted struggle against a rats nest of militant feminists who have as their goal to destroy men, boys, families, society, and thereby empower women.
May they rot in their foul, putrid bigotry, and may people of goodwill yield to them never.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 09, @06:03PM EST (#52)
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"I see no end to the tragedy in sight, just a long protracted struggle......"
All movements begin from a support base of 0 per cent. The most difficult and protracted part of the struggle is getting from 0 to 1 per cent. After that growth tends to be exponential, explosive and unstoppable.
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There are two simple things all men "in the struggle" can do, without any sacrifice:
1) Do not aid the enemy. (i.e. Shun all women who do not support true equality under the law.)
2) Take care of your own soul.
Actually, just diligently observing #2 will in due course lead to concurrence with #1.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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IMO this thread respresents good news... people are talking about the mens movement. Now at first blush I was pissed that they were slamming us, but after I though about it I came to realize that the old adage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" applies here too. Sure a bunch of them get to feel self-satisfied that they "put us in our place" but in doing so perhaps a few others thought about it and said to themselves "you know, those people at mensactivism might actually have a point... maybe I should check into this a bit".
Our targets aren't the shrill voices screaming so they don't need to address any issues, but rather the reasonable majority... mothers and fathers who worry about their boys, grandparents who wonder what the hell has happened in this country over the last 30 years, even college students who wonder if relationships are REALLY supposed to be so adversarial.
We've got a long way to go, and the shriller the opposition, the better we're doing in my book.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 09, @04:15PM EST (#47)
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I think it's unfortunate that people have to be so afraid of each other. Seems to me, people spend more time trying to deny that we're all human beings and that we have very basic and similar needs. Are we -really- all that different? Are men and women really incapable of treating each other as human beings? I tend to think we aren't from mars, venus or any other alien zone, we're all from earth. I think once we dispense with our social programming and question what we've been told we're supposed to think and believe, a basis for true understanding begins to emerge.
As part of this pursuit, forgive me if this is off topic, I'm conducting social research and would encourage any interested men or women to participate in a social survey I'm conducting right now. It's focus is stay at home dads and how they, and society, tend to view themselves as social deviants. It's via the web and entirely anonymous and secure.
http://aufsteigen.net/survey/
I'd appreciate your input and I do support activism for the equality of human beings, male and female!
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 09, @04:47PM EST (#49)
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"I think it's unfortunate that people have to be so afraid of each other. Seems to me, people spend more time trying to deny that we're all human beings and that we have very basic and similar needs. Are we -really- all that different? Are men and women really incapable of treating each other as human beings?"
Gee that all sounds so nice, but you have to understand how that hatred is chosen by women (Women's Studies) and institutionalized into law. Perhaps if you were a man and had been taken into a court of law, had been bent across the statue of justice and raped of your life like countless men in this country have been you'd understand.
I respect what you're saying but this is what men's reality is today in feminazi america, and it is not what is so often portrayed on some puffed up T.V. show with an emphasis on playing well to women (and men who are to uninitiated to the knowledge of the above).
Sorry, Dorothy this just isn't Kansas anymore, it's feminazi america.
Good Luck with your research.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 09, @04:55PM EST (#50)
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"Are men and women really incapable of treating each other as human beings?"
Women in taxpayer funded Women's Studies, college classes appear to be incapable of treating men as human beings, according to my observations. We men feel the effects of those bastions of misandry, daily.
Those places (Women's Studies Programs/Women's Centers) are nothing short of hate mills, that crank out unscholarly drivel to support their abhorrent pseudo-science.
Sincerely, Ray
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Yes, we have to get rid of women's studies. I gather they had something similar in Nazi Germany so I searched and got this -
Nazi Education
"They were thus determined to mould the new generation to accept Nazi principles."
"Nazi ideology and physical-military training became other important aspects of the school program. "
"The quality of German education, once the leading system in Europe, declined. "
"Teachers who had criticized the Nazis as well as Jewish teachers were summarily dismissed. All remaining teachers were subjected to a month of intensive training in National Socialist principles. Nazi officials reviewed textbooks for suitability and commissioned the publication of new materials. "
"Social, moral, religious, political, and economic though contrary to Nazi though was ignored or presented in a distorted negative context. "
Remind anyone of Women's Studies?
Raymond Cuttill
Men's Hour Blog
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Actually, this sounds more like the College Prep Math (CPM) program my son's Middle School adopted.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @02:07PM EST (#85)
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Yeah, It just goes to show that they are called 'feminazis' for GOOD REASON.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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they had something similar in Nazi Germany....
Thus, Godwin's Law is invoked and the discussion is over! :)
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First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Monday November 10, @08:31AM EST (#62)
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And just in that order.
Right on, Gonzo.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 11, @07:45AM EST (#72)
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Gandhi, I believe. Worked for him.
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