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Advice columnist gets it wrong
posted by Hombre on Wednesday November 05, @05:39PM
from the Educating-the-Public dept.
News Garth writes "Widely read advice columnist Dan Savage this week repeated long accepted yet false facts to defend his claim that women are victims of violence much more often than men. I think the reason is simple ignorance, not malice, and that if people were to write clear, rational (not heated and confrontational) emails to him pointing out his factual errors (with references), the truth might get some exposure in his column. Note: his advice often deals with touchy issues not for the squeamish or very conservative, so be warned. His email is mail@savagelove.net."

I'm not extremely familiar with Savage, but I believe he has taken stands against feminists in the past and agree with Garth that a confrontational approach would be ill-advised. I'd encourage sending letters with a respectful tone with some good links to information on DV statistics.

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Umm.. (Score:1)
by jenk on Wednesday November 05, @06:51PM EST (#1)
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This link led to an article on pubic hair.

TBQ
Re:Umm.. (Score:1)
by Larry on Wednesday November 05, @09:19PM EST (#4)
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It's at the very bottom of the column, in his reply to a letter from a reader. In part, he says:

"Well, uh, yes: Women sometimes act like assholes when they get dumped, and some engage in bad, bad, bad behavior. So perhaps my generalization was a bit of a generalization, WGPTM. But unlike men, women—however pesky they are—rarely kill their partners. Almost half of all women who are murdered are killed by their husbands or boyfriends. Women are 10 times likelier to be abused by a man than a man is to be abused by a woman (insert your own David Gest joke here), and more women land in emergency rooms due to domestic violence than from any other cause."

He's obviously had a lecture from a domestic violence "expert."

Larry
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From a previous column of his (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Wednesday November 05, @06:58PM EST (#2)
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This one hit my Radar last week on a google news search:

My boyfriend and I have been dating for about six months now and we have always been very sexually active. (And responsible, too.) Unfortunately, Dan, my boyfriend has been under the impression that if I were to accidentally get pregnant I would be willing to have an abortion. Recently we talked about it and I told my boyfriend that abortion is not an option for me and that if I do get pregnant I'm going to keep the baby. Now he doesn't want to have sex with me anymore! What do I do, Dan?

Sexless in Seattle

I'm pro-choice, SIS, which means I respect your right to choose--you can, if you get knocked up, decide if you're ready to be a parent. If you are, you can have the baby. If you're not, you can have an abortion. It's your choice, it's entirely up to you, and everyone--including your boyfriend--has to respect your choice.

But fair's fair, SIS: While he can't force you to have an abortion, you can't force him to risk being a father before he's ready. In other words, choice isn't just for girls. Your boyfriend also has a right to choose. Since the decision about being a father is out of his hands if you get pregnant, he's making his choice now. Knowing that abortion isn't an option, your boyfriend doesn't want to risk fucking you anymore. It's his choice, it's entirely up to him, and everyone--including you, SIS--has to respect his choice.

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Re:From a previous column of his (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday November 06, @12:10AM EST (#5)
This misses the big point: SIS and her boyfriend should both exercise their "right to choose" and vote out of office the misandristic politicians that make it impossible for a male and female to just have sex. That SIS's boyfriend will face huge financial penalties for 18 years, and jail if he cannot pay, is merely the result of stupid "child support" laws.

Women aren't given the choice not to be a mother only by not having sex. Why does the government give men only this choice? Given men more choice wouldn't even require killing a fetus.
Re:From a previous column of his (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Friday November 07, @06:33AM EST (#10)
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The point is that Dan Savage has almost got it right, and should get points for trying, even if he is still subject to believing the propaganda.

Maybe being as gay as he is and not all that worried about whether he gets laid by some woman helps some.

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Though... (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Wednesday November 05, @07:10PM EST (#3)
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I will repeat and stand by what I have said countless times: Women are damn skippy to chirp about what real babies men are when "they don't get any sex."

However, if you ever want to see a real irrationality, screaming, accusations of unfaithfulness, of finding her unattractive, and get no sleep - tell a woman "No, I'm not in the mood" sometime.
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Re:Though... (Score:1)
by hurkle (nosecow@hotmail.com) on Thursday November 06, @11:46AM EST (#6)
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I did that once in my marriage.

Once.

Led to two weeks of recriminations, screaming, fighting, tears, blah, blah, blah.

And it came up over and over and over again for years.

I agree 110%
Gonzo is right on the money (Score:1)
by LSBeene on Thursday November 06, @10:41PM EST (#8)
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I have found that to be the case too. Sometimes a man may be drunk to perform, not in the mood, or just changes his mind. I have experienced all of those when with a woman or two before. See, I was what you might call a "prolific dater" (read: slut) so I had a lot of chances to be in a lot of interesting situations. I want to add this, and some is off topic, so if you are not interested hit the back button. 1) Women get IRRATIONAL when they are revved up and hear the word "no". I have had women say: "what the f*ck is wrong with you, why not!?", "I left the party with you and it's too late to go back, what is your f*ucking issue?", and many others to include trashing my reputation afterwards for not "giving her some". Of course what she told happened had little basis in reality, it was like I OWED her something, had not given it to her, so she had to spread some malicious lie as revenge for not getting her "itch" scratched. I have had only 1 or 2 situations where the girl responded with any empathy. And before anyone comments, I ask the rhetorical: how are men told to act when turned down? Women are not used to hearing "no" in many things, but in sex, it f*cks with their intrinsic wiring and brings out their worst. 2) Women are putting men in jail every day for next morning "misunderstandings". Now everyone here would probably agree and give serious sympathy to a woman who was raped. REAL MEN don't make excuses for it. But it begs the question, how come when I said "no" it was "cute" and needed to be said over and over? If a woman orgasms and has second thoughts and wants the guy to stop before he "finishes" he could go to jail. How does it look if a guy finishes and stops? (unless of course either party is just in the mood to make their partner go off like they won a gameshow as a present. To which I say: HOO AHH!!) "He's a selfish jerk" is probably the answer. And he may face charges. 3) And this last thing that the poster before me put in. The months of fights and crying. SHEESH ... BE AN EQUAL .. GET THE FUCK OVER IT CUPCAKE!!! Some women seem to harbor the "hurt feelings memory bank". It's completely SUBJECTIVE and deletes contradictory facts as part of its programming. We should lobotomize some of these "perpetual victims". I know this wasn't one of my best posts, but I had a REALLY bad experience with one girl who WOULD NOT take "no" for an answer. I had "gone down" on her like 6 times previously (hey, some of us guys LOVE doing it) but not gotten reciprocity and refused to be a facial sponge. She just kept after me ALL FREAKING DAY LONG and I finally agreed that I would if she would. After she "finished" I waited for her to relax and asked her for a little attention to come my way: with a straight face she said: "oh, did you mean TONIGHT? I meant I would SOMETIME, but I am not in the mood to do it tonight". I called her some rather choice names and asked her to leave and not bother calling me again. I found out the next semester that she had gone around telling her friends (who told lots of people) that I had kept presuring her to "go down on me" and when I couldn't get her to do it I became a screaming verbal batterer and humiliated her and physically pushed her out of my dorm room. None of which, besides me telling her what a using bitch she was, happened. Women always got to put bad stories out first, just in case you go and tell the truth. It's a habit of many women that just gets under my skin. Sorry for the rant folks, had to get it off my chest. Hope you understand. I do appreciate it. Peace Steven
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by LSBeene on Friday November 07, @05:04AM EST (#9)
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Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
My response to Savage (Score:1)
by Boy Genteel on Thursday November 06, @03:18PM EST (#7)
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Your statistics are way off. Women are just as likely to initiate domestic abuse against men (i.e. NOT just "self-defense") as the other way around. Here are some
studies for you to chew on: Click here: Please title this page. (Page 1)
The problem is that fewer men than women report being physically abused/sexually harassed, and with your comment about "insert your own David Gest joke here", is it any wonder why?
Unlike GRABASS, many guys would NOT appreciate being groped by a female stranger in the supermarket.and we have just as much right to privacy as women do. There is no "difference in context" between a woman doing it and a man doing it. Everyone has to play by the same rules.

Egalitarian
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