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What You Don't Know About Honor Killings
posted by D on Wednesday October 22, @11:28PM
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What you don't know about Honor Killings

What you do know … is that honor killings are, by and large, committed by men. That they happen somewhere in countries you've never been, and that collectively feminists probably blame the men in America just as much as the men in Pakistan.

You also know that honor killings usually revolve around a woman's fidelity, such as: did the woman sleep with such and such guy before she was married, is she sleeping around on her husband with someone else's husband, did she resist the marriage proposal of a man, and so on.

What you don't know … is that the majority of honor killings are instigated by women. This is pointed out by Patricia Pearson her 1997 book on violent women, When She Was Bad. In it she references Ilsa M. Glaza Wahipa and Abu Ras’s article, "On aggression, human rights, and hegemonic discourse: The case of a murder for family honor in Israel,” which describes how it is women who actually instigate honor killings. Much like the rest of Pearson's book that describes women's covert tactics in violence, these women do their work behind closed doors. The motives are just like motives here: to extract revenge, to beat out a competitor, or gain respect.

Even if the alleged crimes were committed, it is the gossip network that instigates the process in which men are forced by culture to levy out. "So even though it's violence against women, it is violence against women by women," Pearson, When She Was Bad.

Even in America – where shows like Oprah Winfrey describe these issues – the blame is leveled against men as the sole proprietors of honor killings. From an article on Oprah.com giving a brief overview on their show on honor killings: “For women in some Middle Eastern countries, this is a constant fear. In these countries, men have the power of life or death over their female relatives. Thousands of women are killed because men believe they have brought shame to their family.” Men are described as the only ones who want to uphold this tradition of honor killings.

However, even during an Oprah show on honor killings, a short clip interviewing a Pakistani man described that these men do not always want to kill their wives, daughters, sisters or other females – that the traditions force them to carry these out or faced being killed as well. The man also described how many men just pick up and flee with the respective woman and their families. However, the abruptness in which that clip stopped and the brevity of it, makes me believe I saw that clip by editorial error.

Zainab Saldi of Women for Women International describes these situations also as all-male violators against all-female victims. From the same Oprah.com article, Saldi admits that, “[O]ther women in the family cooperate with the perpetrators. They know that if they try to defend a woman, their own morality will be questioned.” For women, she admits that they help kill only for fear of being morally condemned, but she does not offer the same leniency to men. Men, she implies by neglecting to mention their situation, must want to kill women just for the desire to kill. Obviously this woman knows the score, and is down playing just exactly what is going on here with women's involvement, namely because of her feminist views that often put women in the "women can do no wrong" category.

We can run around in circles playing the blame game, but tearing down these traditions is far too difficult. We shouldn’t waste our energy fighting each other. Clearly their battle is against men instead of objectively solving the problem of honor killings. The objective view would be to bring about the right of a victim to face their accuser. Ironically those are the exact rights that feminists are trying to destroy here at home. Another would be to clearly state that the crime does not fit the punishment. And again feminists are known for crying for harsher punishments than meet the crime here at home. So what exactly is going on?

I like to hypothesize that feminism is being used as a form of imperialism to invade foreign countries, which has a sole aim to tear down traditions and claim “Democratic Reform.” But just because an agency is called “Human Rights,” it doesn't necessarily point out which group of humans will have the rights when the smoke all clears.

Now for those men who do their honor killings out of pride and ego, like the women who instigate honor killings, I cannot defend them, nor do I want to. I want to tear down those traditions as much as anyone else does, but I want to tear it down for the right reasons not the wrong ones. I agree, feminism may be successful at tearing those traditions down; tearing down traditions is what feminism is good at. However, let’s not tear down traditions merely to resurrect other ones just as evil or worse. Like Christ, who set the example with his very life by stopping an honor killing, let's use solutions that use love and forgiveness as a staple, not oppression and victimhood as a divider.

Author's side note: I feel I should mention an email conversation with a Pakistani man. He verified many of my points, but though he never witnessed an honor killing, he tells me that it is likely either gender will instigate it. Petty rivalry, or even to gain inheritance from another sibling can be the reasons. My concern is of how feminists in America use this to demonize men in general where it is difficult for us here to verify the facts and reasons.

By Dan Lynch

Dan Lynch is an avid enthusiast of Self-Defence, with over 22 years of training.

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Dan (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @08:26AM EST (#1)
Great article, I was always wondering about that, as I have talked with middle eastern men and they are not as misogynist as they are made out to be. Good work, Jen
Re:Dan (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Thursday October 23, @01:24PM EST (#3)
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Thank you Jen. That means a lot coming from you. Perhaps there is hope for men and women to rekindle and look at the problems of the world as a team and not as enemies.
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wow (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @12:24PM EST (#2)
Oprah is a cuntbag.
What about dowries? (Score:1)
by thatold55 on Thursday October 23, @02:53PM EST (#4)
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I'm not sure it is related, but the practice of bridal dowries puzzles me. It is much criticized by Westerners (and the parents of Eastern women!). What is the significance of a dowry? It seems to me that the main reason is for the family of the bride to bring resources into the marriage for the benefit of children. However, are there rules requiring the marriage to be consummated and children actually produced? Also, are there rules allowing the marriage to dissolve? If so, does the dowry revert to the bride's family? If so, does that make a dowry a sort of bribe to accept the woman into the groom's family and to treat her well? Also, does the fact that the bride's family provide a dowry mean that the elder's in that family have a vested interest that a good match be made, and that some of the intoxicating passions of young lovers are moderated by the rational analysis of these matchmakers?

Any thoughts?

Thanks Dan (Score:1)
by Tom on Saturday October 25, @06:19AM EST (#5)
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Thanks Dan for bringing to light the one-sided nature of feminism on this issue. It is tiresome to continue to hear their one-note-nelly offensive tirades which always focus on women's rights and never on the woman's responsibilities. They use this stuff to whip young and impressionable women into a frenzy of man-hating and of course this adds to the great divide we see between men and women.


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Re:Thanks Dan (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Saturday October 25, @01:01PM EST (#6)
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"They use this stuff to whip young and impressionable women into a frenzy of man-hating and of course this adds to the great divide we see between men and women."

Ya, only to create bureaucracy on the backs of innocent men.
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Animal Farm again! (Score:2)
by Raymond Cuttill on Saturday October 25, @08:36PM EST (#7)
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Excellent post, Dan! Your idea that feminist tears down institutions/traditions to replace them by other institutions/traditions that are just as bad rings true. Actually, it reminded me of George Orwell's Animal Farm where the animals throw the farmer out in order to have a equal society of animals, and then it transpires that the pigs feel they are special and then gradually do all the things the farmer did that caused the revolution in the first place.

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