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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 22, @05:27PM EST (#1)
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We should do a nationwide letter campaign on this one.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @09:56AM EST (#28)
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Pull all men out of Iraq if they are that concerned about violence.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @09:29PM EST (#35)
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This is a direct quote from Barbara Bush during a recent interview with Larry King on CNN. Hey Ashcroft, go arrest the President's Mother, because there's no excuse for the violence she used, unless of course you're a hypocrite and excuse women. Come on John you took the pledge arrest her.
On Her Family: "You can criticize me, but don't criticize my children and don't criticize my daughters-in-law and don't criticize my husband, or you're dead." words by Barbara Bush
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Friday October 24, @07:22AM EST (#37)
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Once more you get the ole double standard on zero tolerance. Tell John Ashcroft to follow his own pledge and throw the president's mother in jail. She scared me with that comment. Put a restraining order against her for threatening every citizen in the U.S.
What a pack of stupid hypocrites.
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And here I thought the Republicans at least offered a sanctuary from all the PC nonsense embraced by the Democrats. Wrong again.
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Far too many guys get frothy at the mouth about Democrats and women's issues, not realizing that conservatives aren't doing us any favors, either.
The only solution is to stand up and demand to be included and given a fair shake.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 22, @06:48PM EST (#4)
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"I’m challenging men across America to take the pledge against domestic violence."
I pledge to do everything in my power to help John Ashcroft extricate his head from the dark recesses of that nether region, where he appears to have experienced a lodging of it.
No doubt this is the source, from whence his misandrist understanding of domestic violence originates.
Sincerely, Ray
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Gents,
Its like this, Bush and Ashcroft are unwilling to alienate Women voters. They want to hold onto power. That means we are on our own. Domestic Violence issues will only change when we raise enough hell with the politicians and the courts that they can no longer ignore us. Men are being abused and it is a joke to the Politicians. How many mothers are murdering their children and they even get sympathy! We must become as militant as our opposition has been. Time to kick some ass in my opinion. Face it Gentlemen we are cannon fodder, paychecks, and sperm donors. I have a Step Son who will probably be called up to go to Iraq, another who is Draft age. I keep seeing Bush waving the flag along with the other politicians, yet how many Sons of the Congress are in the US Military? Only 1. Something stinks here to high heaven. We must raise some hell and being polite or politically correct is not working. Civil Disobedience is what we need to do. They even know the truth but are suppressing it.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 22, @09:02PM EST (#6)
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condone or remain silent about domestic violence. I think that's the whole thing right there men don't talk about the abuse they suffer I think He's right to ask men to step up the only ones who have so far are the women and they got result Let's even it up!!! ( it's very lop sided) for evil to succeed good men have to say nothing !!! speak out!! Craig
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There is nothing inherently malicious in the following.
Men play an important role in our nation’s efforts to stop violence against women. All men have the opportunity to serve as role models for other men and boys in regard to the treatment of women and girls. Boys need to be taught at a young age that using violence against women is wrong and will not be tolerated. Men are in a unique position to communicate this message in a strong, compassionate, and meaningful way. Working in partnership, men and women together can make enormous strides toward changing attitudes and perceptions around domestic violence, sexual assault, and stalking.
For a better understanding of my position or attitude on marriage feel free to read my short treatment, Intimacy between husband and wife, that provides a simple solution to the subject in question which is just one problem of our current attitudes toward marriage. We can view any action through the simple mechanics expressed in the principle - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
As, apparently malicious, as some truly believe it to be, this proposal is also an opportunity to get involved. I think domestic violence is out of control, and I think there is good reason to be concerned. Of course the proposal will fail terribly as it begs the very important question of just exactly what marriage is in the first place. That this proposal will ultimately fail is simply not the issue.
No, I am not encouraging anyone to engage in fruitless actions, I simply think it would be a tragically myopic shot-in-the-foot to not endorse an end to violence of any kind, and a good way to encourage people to get engaged in what we are trying to do - win the hearts and minds of the masses so terribly confused by the slick marketing of modern media.
The proposal is an attempt to engage men in the problem, to take responsibility of the education of younger men by older men, and is, of course, exactly what father's rights activists have been fighting for, as personified by Glenn J. Sacks, and Warren Farrell. True, I am no supporter of father's rights making the above look rather pragmatic, I simply think that adding yet another group to the pantheon of groups clamoring for "rights" is absurd and contributes to the bloated and fascist nature of human rights as embodied in the absolutely ridiculous charters the United Nations churns out like rats churning out baby rats.
Respectfully,
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Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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Mr. Cameron:
The excerpt's message assumes that violence against women should be taken more seriously than violence against men -- even though men are more likely to be the victims of violent crime, especially homicide. Why do we need to make a special effort to stop violence only against women? Why not stop violence against people?
And when it comes to domestic violence, the message of the article ignores male victims and female perpetrators. Why not acknowledge the fact that domestic violense is a problem perpetrated by people of both sexes agianst people of both sexes? To treat DV as a gender problem rather than what it actually is -- a human problem -- is counterproductive and sexist.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 22, @10:58PM EST (#10)
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what I get from it is it's us men who need to do something (lead ) Wether by protecting women or showing their violence We need to speak up!
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Men need to speak out against those who insist on treating DV as a gender issue. Men should not be asked to assume all the responsibility for DV while women are told to see themselves only as victims.
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Hear Hear Greg, personally I dont care anymore what women want or need.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday October 28, @09:37PM EST (#47)
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I care, but I'm tired of hearing about it. Time to talk about what men want! NOW!!!!
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Yes we most certainly need to speak up.
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Donald Cameron
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 22, @11:02PM EST (#11)
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"There is nothing inherently malicious in the following."
"Boys need to be taught at a young age that using violence against women is wrong and will not be tolerated."
Donald:
You are presenting a dishonest, one sided argument. You want to leave the entire male gender's abuse at the hands of women out of the equation so as far as I'm concerned, you can take your domestic violence laws and peddle them elsewhere. As I see it, such a biased apporach as you have stated makes the problem worse. You are on your own.
Sincerely, Ray
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Cameron, this is a warm fuzzy approach to justifying sending more men to prison without due process.
Does domestic violence always have to have someone go to jail? Does it always have to have someone face some sort of Orwellian treatment program where the perp was also the victim in a far more complex affair of the child game called "Who started it?"
I agree with your sentiments, on the surface, as always, it appears like they are trying to help. However, I'm not taking any chances and for safety reasons would like to verify their approach as being both fair and honest.
Like another poster pointed out. Women have the majority of votes, they also make the majority of buying discisions. Politicians will always tippy toe around those issues if they want to get elected. Doing the right thing comes a distant second.
We need people who are going to be politicians based on principle, win or lose, having the guts to do the right thing. It's the only way to get the real exposure it needs. Unless some people on this board both wright and produce a megahit movie that covers the issues and changes america from within.
Arnie may have done some good by picking Tammy Bruce as a consultant. She can explain how bigoted feminists use their tactics, but, Tammy still holds to many of the same false myths, so it's possibly a good news bad news situation.
Obviously the best vote would have been Ferrell. Hopefully he will keep focused and not fall into the voter trap. Even if only 500 or so voted for him, thousands on thousands heard him. And next time the experience will be all that much better.
Dan Lynch's Self-Defence (519) 774-2121
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>Does domestic violence always have to have >someone go to jail? Does it always have to have >someone face some sort of Orwellian treatment >program where the perp was also the victim in a >far more complex affair of the child game >called "Who started it?"
So exactly what I've been getting at, the typical abuser in everyone's head is the malicous "monster" who calculates keeping his wife/girlfriend in a metaphorical cage and is a clinical "sociopath" ie, never can be cured, should be locked up forever, etc. In my observations, this type of person makes up a small portion of actual 'abusers.' Or rather, people who are classified as abusers by society and our laws. You're more likely to have people of both sexes who lose their tempers and react violently, which even though that is bad; one shouldn't do it; one probably doesn't want to be a in relationship with a person like that; it's radically different from the image of a cold-hearted [male] monster we have programmed into our heads.
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Anyone pondering the considerable challenges ahead in the campaign to reform the discriminatory DV system needs to recognize that gender-fascism and the systematic assault on men has been legally institutionalized in every state in our beloved FemAmerica.
A massive feminist bureacracy feeds off our tax dollars (VAWA $3.2 billion, etc.) which is wholly dedicated to the PREVENTION of equal justice under the law.
Every state has a "Protocol" for Partner Abuse Intervention. Inevitably authored by a radical feminist committee, these protocols are a crystal clear insight into the sexism and misandry that our federal and state governments have endorsed.
Protocols typically define DV as a male violence only issue, deny and ignore female perpetrators, and mandate a "treatment" program that is ideologically hostile to maleness, claiming that the only cause of domestic violence is "patriarchal oppression of women by men who believe they have the right of power and control over women."
Protocols further expressly prohibit examining the complex dimensions of family violence, outlaw couples' counseling, and deny that substance abuse or personality disorders are factors in DV.
In other words, this Orwellian feminazi worldview insists we all ignore 99% of what credible social science has illuminated about domestic abuse and its generative context.
One might reasonably ask why the denial of known reality is at the core of every state's mandated response to domestic conflict. What purpose does this serve? (Surely not to actually eliminate domestic violence!) More importantly, WHO is served by the distortions, denials, and outright lies that comprise the bulk of official political responses to DV? (Hint - follow the money!)
So, if you believe a pledge or the odd courageous politician will solve this problem, please consider that the DV Industry has become the feminists most successful, legally entrenched and profitable wing of their vast empire of parasites and vampires.
Only concerted legal action in the form of lawsuit after lawsuit will bring down this pathological and pernicious system.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @07:36PM EST (#34)
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"Anyone pondering the considerable challenges ahead in the campaign to reform the discriminatory DV system needs to recognize that gender-fascism and the systematic assault on men has been legally institutionalized in every state in our beloved FemAmerica.
A massive feminist bureacracy feeds off our tax dollars (VAWA $3.2 billion, etc.) which is wholly dedicated to the PREVENTION of equal justice under the law."
I pledge allegance to the flag of the feminazi states of america and to the tyranny for which it stands, one nation under goddesses (Libertas, Justica, etc.) with liberty and justice for women only.
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Well I guess warm and fuzzy isn't much good.
That was not my intention. I look at things differently than many others.
I think there are fundamental problems underlying this issue.
Unless you get your country to pull back its human rights comitments all the way back the original Hague agreement you are just not going to get anywhere.
At least your country did not sign onto that misery called CEDAW.
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Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @12:31AM EST (#14)
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Cameron,
Would you say the same about an effort to stop muggings if it was framed only in terms of stopping black people from mugging people?
Would you favor a "Men's Occupational Safety and Health Act" that only protected males?
Everyone has biases, but what makes someone a bigot is the degree to which they attempt to justify and refusal to recognize their bias.
Marc
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Black males being enlisted to stop other black males from careless violence is in fact on going throughout the states is it not?
Participants to AA do not ask the always sober to help.
To say that men don't commit the largest proportion of violent crimes is just not reasonable, to say nothing of bigoted, because men do the most violence and that is a fact. As compared to women, men are by far the leaders in this field.
The question is not about who did what to whom, the question is,"just what the hell are we going to do about it"?
Any suggestions you have to stop our brothers from killing each other are most welcome.
Again you let feminist brain washing cloud your own thinking.
Hey man take the pledge right here in public.
EVERYONE TAKE THE PLEDGE.
everyone repeat after me.
I am a product of my culture.
I have been raised in the culture of feminism.
Much of what I hold to be true is the product of an oppressive feminist environment.
I must try and throw off these feminist shackles that bind me.
I must be true to myself.
I must be a brother in arms for other men.
I must take charge from the women and bring my errant brothers back into the fold.
I cannot change who I am.
I can only change what I become.
A man.
Respectfully,
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Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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>Black males being enlisted to stop other black
>males from careless violence is in fact on going
>throughout the states is it not?
No, it isn't, at least not by the Justice Department. And at least one DHHS report denies that black people commit most violent crimes.
>To say that men don't commit the largest
>proportion of violent crimes is just not
>reasonable,
Of course it is reasonable, since it's based on the most valid form of reasoning: preponderance of *scientific* evidence and research.
>to say nothing of bigoted,
Contradicting the political-originated denigration of a demographic group (men, blacks) is only "bigoted" to the real bigots, like the white-supremacists who consider the claim that "white people are not mentally superior to blacks" to be a form of bigotry against whites.
>because men do the most violence and that is a
>fact.
A classic example of circular reasoning: "Men commit most violent crimes because men do the most violence." And you fault us for being unreasonable. And a statement doesn't become a fact just because someone claims that it is.
>As compared to women, men are by far the leaders
>in this field.
Not mathematically possible, if only due to the fact that most violent men were abused by violent mothers.
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R and T you are sounding like a feminist.
Have any of you contacted the good man to let him know what in fact you would be willing to sign and garantee him a good showing for his backtracking?
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Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 25, @03:40AM EST (#42)
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"R and T you are sounding like a feminist."
Donald:
Your ad hominem on R & T in your 1st sentence does not appear to address the points he made in his post.
You do not even offer the weakest support for your ad hominem attack. In what way(s) do you feel "R and T" is "sounding like a feminist?"
Your 2nd sentence appears ambiguous at best.
"Have any of you contacted the good man to let him know what in fact you would be willing to sign and garantee him a good showing for his backtracking?"
I am not sure what you are talking about in your 2nd sentence as you did not reference it to anything: What "good man," "Sign” what, and “guarantee” what," What “backtrackin?."
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @07:04AM EST (#20)
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I am a victim of domestic violence and false domestic violence false accusations by a scamming woman. I have never committed d.v. or other violent acts. I don't need to take the pledge. I am not a violent person, which is more than I can say for some women I've known.
Obviously you taking the pledge didn't do any good because you continue to denigrate (batter) me with your abusive bias. I suggest you take a pledge to stop battering and abusing males, to stop lying about men. Take the pledge to stop battering men! Take the pledge to stop battering men! Take the pledge to stop battering men! I'm tired of it. Get the point?
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @07:09AM EST (#21)
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Who else needs to take the pledge to stop battering men?
Barbara Boxer
Family Violence Prevention Fund
John Ashcroft
George W. Bush
Sheila Kuehl
Nancy Pelosi
Hann Beth Jackson
Gray Davis
Brad Sherman
additionally:
Dick Gephart (sp?)
Wesley Clark
Donald Rumsfeld
Howard Dean
Joe Liberman
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @07:30AM EST (#22)
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FOR BATTERED MEN
THE BATTERING
NEVER ENDS!
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @07:34AM EST (#23)
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Yea, and for the majority of them it began with battering and abusive mothers, but I don't see anyone getting at the root cause of the problem, let alone any other causes (like battering wives).
Taking a pledge would be a lie.
Anyone who takes John Ashcroft's Pledge is behaving foolishly like John Ashcroft. I'm a Christian, and suppossedly so is John Ashcroft. In pusrsuing this tack on domestic violence John Ashcroft is anathema to me and his Christian beliefs. That is his choice, not mine.
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I am a victim of domestic violence and false domestic violence false accusations by a scamming woman. I have never committed d.v. or other violent acts. I don't need to take the pledge. I am not a violent person, which is more than I can say for some women I've known.
So am I. It ruined my life. Please don't give me more feminist crap about poor victims, I know what you went through I understand. What has that got to do with not taking the pledge?
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Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 25, @03:15AM EST (#40)
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Donald:
I have taken the Sacks/Angelucci pledge instead, because I didn't want to be hateful and bigotted. as I believe anyone who takes that pledge would be, against men. That pledge, by the sin of omission against the entire male gender, is nothing short of a hate crime and anyone who authors or supports it is, in my opinion, engaging in hate crime.
As far as "feminist crap," those are your words not mine. If those are the words you choose to use, then I leave you and the militant feminists to wallow in that rhetoric.
As far as John Ashcroft’s, militant feminist domestic violence pledge, obviously, I will not be taking such a prejudiced, hateful pledge, ever.
I encourage everyone to take the Sacks/Angelucci pledge instead. "Just say no," to John Ashcroft and his militant feminist hatred and abuse towards men.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 25, @03:18AM EST (#41)
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by Glenn Sacks and Marc Angelucci
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President George Bush recently issued a proclamation commemorating October as Domestic Violence Awareness Month in which he placed all blame for domestic violence squarely on men. Promising to "throw the book" at men who abuse their wives, he said "women and children are facing dangers in this country, and they need strong allies." Bush's Attorney General John Ashcroft is the leading voice in a new series of television commercials airing nationwide which identify only men as abusers and challenge men to "Take the pledge Against DV."
However, this pledge will not solve the problem of domestic violence in the United States because it ignores half of the victims and a third of those suffering serious harm--men. The pledge also ignores the current epidemic of false charges of domestic violence. We ask that people take the following pledge instead:
"I pledge to work against ALL domestic violence, whether committed by a male or a female
I pledge to raise my voice when I see a man using his strength to abuse a woman, or when I see a woman using the police to abuse a man.
I pledge to raise my voice in protest whenever I see an innocent man evicted from his own house because his spouse makes unsubstantiated claims that he abused or threatened to abuse her.
I pledge to raise my voice in protest when I see a man or a woman justify physical abuse by saying "she or he had it coming."
I pledge to raise my voice when I see a woman abusing her male partner and then playing the victim.
I pledge to raise my voice when I see a man or a woman use alcoholism or substance abuse as an "excuse" for their violence.
I pledge to help fathers who are trapped in abusive relationships because they cannot leave their abusers and leave their children in harm's way and cannot leave with their children because they will be arrested for kidnapping.
I pledge to raise my voice in protest whenever I see a woman or a family court drive a father out of his children's lives on false allegations of domestic violence.
I pledge to raise my voice when I see a man or a woman use his or her economic power as a way of abusing and controlling a spouse.
I promise to raise my voice in protest when I see mothers--statistically the most common abusers of children-- abuse their children and get away with it by hiding behind the saintly mantle of motherhood
I pledge to teach my sons and daughters to work together with both men and women to end domestic violence."
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Yes I read that pledge and kept on going.
but hey, it's your right and I respect that.
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Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 25, @04:11AM EST (#43)
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"What has that got to do with not taking the pledge?"
Having had a hate crime committed against me by the minions of the domestic violence industry, makes me more sensitive to hate crimes in general, and hate crime like John Ashcroft's misandrist pledge, specifically.
Therefore:
I pledge not to burn crosses on people’s lawns (never have/never will),
I pledge not to paint swastikas on churches and synagogues, (never have/never will), and
I pledge not to take John Ashcroft's misandrist pledge (never have/never will).
I feel so much better after having made those commitments, especially the last one. It’s like a healing to the soul to know that you are free of those evils.
Sincerely, Ray
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"To say that men don't commit the largest proportion of violent crimes is just not reasonable"
IMO that's quite reasonable... but we're not talking about violent crimes, we're talking about DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. In point of fact, if child abuse is considered, than there is a prepondernace of studies that indicate that WOMEN are responsible for the majority of domestic violence. Spousal abuse is approximately equal, and women commit 66% of child abuse.
If John Ashcroft was truly interested in targeting a single group that would yield the maximum reduction in overall Domestic Violence, he should be targeting WOMEN.
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I don't know, I feel it's a counter-attack against mens rights activists: "Women are abused ya know, why aren't you out protecting them?"
"because we're helping men..."
"what? You mean women SHOULD be abused?"
"No!"
"then you have to devote your time to protecting women."
I think it is a purposeful omission, saying it isn't possible to help both sexes; we need to concentrate on women because women are more important. Also, it gives the impression men are responsible for domestic violence, that it is THEIR fault for teaching it to boys, that THEY have to fix it. I can't find it a positive message for men.
I'd be perfectly happy if a woman was never domestically abused again, but I'm not sure that is a great thing if it means taking away so many rights from men, and in the process, probably leading to more being abused.
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Its malicious because it sets up half of the victums on a pedastle while refusing to acknowledge the fact of the other half's existense. Its implying that men might be dangerous if they aren't coached and outright saying that men have a responsiblity to stop it.
As another poster suggested, try replacing "men" with "black men" or "jews" to get an idea of how offensive we find this attitude to be.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @07:51AM EST (#24)
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Here's an article by Glenn and Marc I just found:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/s/sacks/03/sacks1 02203.htm (no spaces)
Did anyone happen to hear Barbara Bush refer to her son (the prez) a couple of nights ago, in a purely down home affectionate way as a "dirty
dog?" I did. Hummmm
The President's own mother is a batterer, but that's o.k., she's female, we'll just excuse it.
Anon in a previous post in this string seems to be right about abusive mothers. Perhaps the leader of this administration should start with abuse in his own family, his own mother if he wants to stop abuse in this nation.
Take the pledge Barbara Bush, "I will never refer to my "boy" the President of the United States as a "dirty dog" again. And while your at it apologize to all the American men who denigrated and mailgned by your abusive insensitivity to another man.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @08:15AM EST (#25)
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Take the pledge "you dirty dogs." If the Presidents own mother knows what her son is, then the president and his administration is kwalified to know what you are.
You better take the pledge if you know what's good for you, before big babs does a little d.v training Texas style, with her car.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 22, @10:10PM EST (#8)
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I hate to be the fly in Ashcroft's preparation H, but most of those fat shelter dwellers should be more afraid of men with harpoons.
For 40 years, those
high heeled pit bulls, like Ashcroft, have
blamed us for everything, from not being able
to get into Harvard to not being able to get
into stretch pants.
If Ashcroft had any balls, he'd tell those donut depositories, in his nicest voice, "wedge it out the
door, beefalow!"
And he would have nothing to fear. They never get through the door on the first try.
The Madcap Misogynist
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @08:41AM EST (#27)
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All I know is that I was a victim of DV laws. My ex lied, made up a story. The cops arrested me. They "Conditioned me" in DV classes, removed my from my property, negatively affected my livelihood, extorted money from me, temporarily imprisoned me, denigrated me to my community.
All this on mere allegation alone. Needless to say she was with another person a week after the false allegation.
Ashcroft is an idiot to say this shit.
Any lawyer knows how one sided laws have become. Yet they all make money on it, so no real advocacy ever results except from us victims.
Women today know that the court system is theirs, and every man is one phone call away from having all his constitutional rights obliterated.
Feminism is a hate movement, and everyone in the judicial system is in on it...
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @09:58AM EST (#29)
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And let the ones who denounce violence on women so readily go and fight their own battles.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @01:26PM EST (#30)
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Oh that's really funny, John Ashcroft asking me to take a pledge about anything. What about his own pledge, nay oath, to uphold the U.S. Constitution, with its annoying requirements about proof beyond reasonable doubt, habeas corpus, presumption of innocence, right to counsel, etc., denied to the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, and (we can be sure) denied to men accused of DV.
Moreover, it's patently insulting, to say the least, being asked to take a pledge which says, in effect, "Prove you won't beat your wife". But where, oh where, (besides the posters on this site), are the men with the guts to call Ashcroft on all of this?
Vince S.
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:"Domestic violence is wrong and destroys the lives of far too many women and children.:"
The statement is correct in that DV does destroy the lives of children.
I have personally seen this happen to the life of a female child. She endured the worst physical violence I have ever seen.
She was the child of a live in baby sitter/maid my mother hired. I think this woman may have been an early prototype of those single mother by choice types.
However, this woman's outward personality was very smooth and she was a very likeable individual on the surface. But of course as the saying goes, "you can't judge a book by its cover."
One of the things that should have set off an alarm about this woman was that she oddly named her little girl, Vernon. A few names can be used for both sexes of course but I think not with this one. It was obviously just another form of abuse.
This woman would beat her little girl about the legs and feet with a leather belt until she cried uncontrollably. Then she would continue the beating until she stopped crying. It must have taken an enormous inner will for this helpless child to accomplish this! I remember seeing her choke on her tears and mucous trying to stop the torture by stopping her crying. Her mother covered up the welts and bruises by making her wear knee high socks all the time and they were often very dirty. I will never forget it.
My mother got rid of this monster after she actually tried to strangle me over some petty thing.
I am reminded of poor Vernon when I hear of a case of child abuse. Did she survive the monster that was her mother? Is she an abuser?
Unfortunately, there are too many stories like this of women who get away child abuse. Too bad that moron Ashcroft didn't put something in his misandric pledge about being aware that women commit most of the domestic violence against children! But I guess he is just another of those self hating middle aged feminized males who think women can do no wrong.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 23, @07:25PM EST (#33)
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NOW is liberal. Laws that have broken down due process are liberal. Family courts are run on liberal doctrines. The media is liberal.
Lets not confuse matters here. I am sure that Ashcrofts statements are political more than anything else.
Anything to shut up the whining feminuts.
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