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Pheminists cannot stand to be challenged, rather than rise to the debate, silencing is the preferred method.
You waste your time trying to engage such creatures in dialogue. The only time they are interested in it is to keep you in one spot so you can be picked off.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 11, @07:29AM EST (#2)
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I tried to respond but need to be approved to post. I feel like I am in high school-am I worthy the attention of the great popular group? ackk.Jen
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I agree. Feminists are toward the top of my list of people never to debate. They do not have a fundamental understanding of what "equality" means.
They sure are smug over there. They've achieved an equality superior to ours.
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I noticed that the babble board has a section designated for "actavism." They have a dedicated space for feminism, so taking anti-feminism topics there does violate the spirit of the space they have allotted. If there are those who would be interested, I could start a topic on the "activism" area titled "mens activism - (insert topic)" say starting it off with paternity fraud and see how it plays.
If we get kicked out or banned then we have reason to complain to the site's owners and make a real stink. If the pheminists troll and do not get banned, again more stink.
Although it may not change the board itself, all those lurkers who may be swallowing the line of all mens activists being trolls and such will be able to see some truth.
What do y'all think?
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by Anonymous User on Monday October 13, @10:21AM EST (#28)
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Great Idea. I noticed the same thing. Maybe if you asked politely they would start a "Men's Issues" section right up there next to "Feminism" instead of having it burried in the "Activism" category. Seems logical. Let's us know if you start it.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 11, @12:52PM EST (#4)
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Historically this has been the case in discussions between men and women. (If & then) are swear words to the feminist mind, because they employ causality and "logic." As we all know logic, to that bunch, is a form of masculine power and control used to control women, and is therefore a form of men's use of violence over women.
When you're dealing with the insanity known as feminist ideology, or the terrorism known as feminist ideology, you are in a lose/lose situation.
That being the case, go ahead and continue to confront these mindless air bags everywhere that their inanity assembles. Barrage them with truth and sounds reason. On their turf you will lose. In their gatherings you will lose, but eventually (more & more) the public will see these jack boot, jack asses for what they really are.
Every time I have seen the light bulb of awareness go off in an uninitiated person's mind, they almost invariably follow up with shock. "I never imagined it was that bad." I never knew people like that existed." "What's wrong with those people?"
Keep up the good work Dan, and everyone else. It's a dirty hard job presenting our case in the court of public opinion, but somebody has to do it.
I honestly think their censuring of your open and fair minded opinions tells more about those intolerant, close minded, prejudiced people than any series of logical discussions could ever reveal. Again, great job and keep up the good work.
Sincerely, Ray
School is now in session in the court of public opinion.
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How's about making Female violence a 'Women's issue'?
For instance...
Why are Violent Women putting women at risk?
If Female violence is minimized then more women are in danger.
How so?
One of the problems with DV is the repetitive nature. Apparently Father teaches son etc.
So what would happen if a Violent Mother has two sons? Would they learn to be violent from her?
Now other women are in serious danger because of this.
Of course if she had a daughter then the daughter would also perpetuate the violence.
So, Women who are domestically violent are a great danger to other women and so this most definately is a women's issue.
just a thought.
Dave
expressing thoughts and opinions from his keyboard to the wider world.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 12, @05:35PM EST (#20)
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"So what would happen if a Violent Mother has two sons? Would they learn to be violent from her?"
Yes, they certainly would learn violence from her, but in the feminist world that has become america it is all explained away in light of some conjured up "historical oppression and violence to women by men." Of course in that paradigm being born "sons" means that male children are born violent just by being born male.
In feminazi america all truth must always be explained and interpreted in light of feminist ideology to fit the social constructs of the feminist agenda. In feminazi america, it's all about feminist women, all others are just slaves who must be brought into line with feminist ideals. Of course the most disposable and irrelevant in such a scenario are males. In feminazi america we just malign, accuse, incarcerate, send to war or otherwise dispose of males through malignant forms of neglect (health care, education, etc.).
The reality today is not Brave New World, it's feminazi america. It's far worse than Brave New World.
Sincerely, Ray
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Apathy about feminist terrorism is giving way to greater and greater awareness of the societal malevolence that the gender fascists have forced upon our culture.
The main reason is that they (the feminazis) went too far, displayed no restraint, exploited their excesses with ruthless abandon, and have now been exposed as the ideological tyrants that they always were...
(The DV Industry with its gestapo tactics against men is the most grievous example of this pathology...)
Used to be, few people were directly and adversely affected by this virus called feminism.
That's why for the majority of women and men, feminism has been largely out-of-sight, out-of-mind ... off the radar of ordinary concerns.
Now, because of the assaults of the so-called family courts, the DV Industry, and the general anti-male perversity in the legal system, more and more good folks and families have been stung.
Now, nearly everyone knows someone who has been victimized by feminism's good works.
Yes, just as the phleminists always proclaimed, "the personal is political."
Only now, the personal suffering and societal harm wrought by this psychotic and undeniably fascist mindset is coming to be understood for what it is -- a toxin that needs to be cleansed and eradicated through systemic legal and ethical reform.
If the rad fems sought to have a dramatic social impact, indeed they have suceeded at that.
Trouble is, the impact they engineered will be their undoing.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 12, @11:44PM EST (#26)
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"Now, because of the assaults of the so-called family courts, the DV Industry, and the general anti-male perversity in the legal system, more and more good folks and families have been stung."
"Only now, the personal suffering and societal harm wrought by this psychotic and undeniably fascist mindset is coming to be understood for what it is -- a toxin that needs to be cleansed and eradicated through systemic legal and ethical reform."
"(The DV Industry with its gestapo tactics against men is the most grievous example of this pathology...)"
Well said.
All that is necessary for radical feminism and gender feminism to prosper is for good men and women to do nothing.
Ray
All that is necessary for radical feminism and gender feminism to prosper is for good men and women to do nothing.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 11, @05:35PM EST (#5)
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Dan,you presented good arguments and as usual they started with name calling and insinuation. I've experienced similar treatment from other boards I've been on where feminists are present.
What gets me is the so-called "men" who actually lick the boots of these jack-booted bitches. I noticed they locked the thread on this issue.
Masc
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Dan,
I read several of the threads. All the way down and to include after you had left. I would make some observations.
1) We here on this board use the "feminist" in a negative light due to our past experiences and because those who use the tag "feminists" are the ones who are perpetuating the evil aginst men. The word "feminist" has a different connotation to many of those women and men on that board. When I post on a feminist board I keep that fact in mind. If someone came here and started about "men" and evils she/he associated with that group, WE would be defensive.
2) That being said, I did see the use of mobbing and blatant passive aggressive high-school nature of the responses you got. The post that most disturbed me was "go and build your own shelters". This is telling. Here is why: When domestic violence is brought up the words have been given a male-perp/female-victim flavor. When you brought up men being abused it attacked a foundation the posters believed in. What I would have suggested, and this is hard, is to keep your cool. Bring up the number of women's shelters versus the number of mens. Bring up that a hotel is not a "safe and nurturing envrironment with couselors" but instead you are just left ALL ALONE when you need support the most. Point out that the funding is set up to mostly give female victims shelter (shelter for women of abuse is outstanding - we would all agree). Point out that a man leaving his home often cannot take his child with him. He may have to leave his child/children with an abusive parent. Also point out how VAWA (correct me if I am wrong - I am always trying to fine tune my facts and take constructive criticsm) shows guidelines on who to arrest based on size, "power", who is most "upset", ans such. Point out that the womens shelters are often giving out false facts: THEN BACK THAT UP. If you don't those indoctrinated will rip you apart. (lol, they will anyways).
3) Also, numbers and stats for most "feminists" are beloved, but only when they go their way. Ok, but what does seem to be hard for them to argue with is this: Remember the HISSIDE show where Glenn tells of the man who got stabbed with the knife and the article that describes it? Post that article as a link. Also, cut and paste what former Gov Ann Richards said. And so on and so on. This will show them by testimonial FROM WOMEN that women think DV against men is a joke.
Dan, I sent you an E-mail and here is my address again:
lsbeene@gci.net or steven.beene@us.army.mil
The first is my home address, I JUST got my computer up and running as the Army took its sweet time getting my stuff. Until now I have had to post/E-mail from my office. Feel free to E-mail me. I have some more ideas and would love to share them.
Peace
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Thank you Steven that was very helpful. I noticed that with some posters who I suppose are more polite with them tend to go a long way with them, so I hope you will be able to join in there discussion and perhaps raise the bar a little.
I'm not sure where you sent the email but you will have to go to lynch4569@rogers.com in order to get me. Or, dan@mensactivism.org.
As far as I'm concerned about the men's movement--we will have to win them over one at a time, one at a time.
However, many posters have been asking for some more positive activism roles and ideas. I'm hoping this will come into play very soon. I should post a thread to conjur some ideas.
Dan Lynch's Self-Defence (519) 774-2121
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 11, @09:58PM EST (#8)
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"As far as I'm concerned about the men's movement--we will have to win them over one at a time, one at a time.
However, many posters have been asking for some more positive activism roles and ideas."
Absolutely, I'm not selling T-shirts here, in fact I'm losing money giving them away, but the protests and discussion can be draining. When you're out shopping or driving your truck with the big sign, after a while you tend to forget it's there, but it gets the word out. So what if people think you're a nut case, it shows the depths of pain that feminst insanity and abuse have driven you to.
For every negative reaction I've had, I've had tons of positive ones. People talk to me nicely like I must have been through some horrible experience.
On the positive side, just today I suggested to a friend that instead of picketing another worthless gov't bldg., let's go to a park, set up our tent with signs, etc. and have a barbacue. We have to live with this crap so let other people see it in their recreational areas. We will be saying that we are battered on any number of issues and inequities, but we're out here just trying to survive and have a little fun too. It will be school in the park, an educational mission, along with all the normal things you do in a park.
Some times when I get the rare objection to my messages I simply tell the person, "Get used to it."
Part of who we are as men is certainly due to biology, having been born male, but a big part both positively and negatively is social conditioning. I will not let some half backed feminist stupidity dictate to me what men are, ever. In the same vein, it is high time we celebrate the good things that men are. So everybody get to work on those health and education statistics for men and push with everything you've got for Men's Commissions everywhere. One Men's Commission in New Hampshire is not nearly enogh to balance the scales of justice between men and women. There need to be 270 more at least, and that's just in the U.S.
Ray
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Ray,
Can you tell me your source for the 270 women's commissions in the US? I'd like to see an actual list by state. I saw the link to the domination of the UN by women's commissions a couple weeks ago.
Thanks, TLE
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 12, @02:58AM EST (#11)
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Here's this National link, and a history. You have to go state my state to get the individual women's commissions in each state. I found out there are 31 women's commissions in CA by going to the CA women's commission site.
Ray
http://www.nacw.org/cfw_hist.html
In 1961, President John F. Kennedy established the President’s Commission on the Status of Women. Eleanor Roosevelt was the chair and Esther Peterson of the U.S. Department of Labor’s Women’s Bureau was vice-chair.
Its 1963 report recommended that each state form a similar commission. Today there are approximately 270 state, county and local commissions for women located in the United States and its territories.
These commissions are advocates for equality and justice for women and serve their communities in a variety of ways depending on the resources available. Many maintain shelters for the abused, others have tutorial programs for teens and illiterate adults, testify before their legislators on issues that impact women and their families, and disseminate information to their constituency. Each commission functions independently, but depend on NACW to provide national leadership and focus on their collective concerns. Member Commissions for Women, through NACW, keep the needs of women in the forefront of laws, policies, and practices, and promote the status of women.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 12, @03:10AM EST (#13)
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"state by state" I must be getting tired.
Ray
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Thanks! I found a link to my own state's female specific legislation:
http://www.governor.state.tx.us/women/women/legisl ation/view
I think there are more "commissions" than the 270 figure from the nacw link. For example, the Texas "Women and Minority Owned Business" department was renamed to the "Historically Underutilized Businesses" department. In Austin women have their own Chamber of Commerce.
Call it feminist equality.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 12, @11:00AM EST (#16)
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"I think there are more "commissions" than the 270 figure from the nacw link."
That was my reaction too. Those are like main women's commissions and some sub commissions, but the network of committees and other groups is endless. I would guess they're pushing closer to a thousand if you really counted all of them. All are taxpayer funded at some point, or connected with those that are.
It's mindboggling to see the extent of the corrupt over privileged network known as the feminist movement.
The warning I should have posted, should have been the one posted above the gates of hell in Dante's Inferno, "Abandon Hope All Ye (Males) Who Enter Here!" Hell is truly America and the western world under the jack boot heel of the agenda known as "the feminists movement.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 12, @03:07AM EST (#12)
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Here is a really great resource page if you want to find out more about all the women's commissions. Warning!!! It's really scary. The only way I can describe it is to say it's kind of like seeing a bad case of cancer that's metastasized.
http://www.ci.la.ca.us/csw/html/cswlk1.htm
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OMG, that is like wandering into the very pits of hell. I couldn't force myself to stick around long enough to see how much government funding they receive. Oh yeah, the quote at the top of the page pretty much says it all regarding feminist justice for men.
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Guys: I just read through the threads you posted and I must say that I was appalled at the way the feminists treated you guys. It made my heart race just reading their nasty comments. It showed an ugly side of human nature that I wish wasn't there. Nonetheless, I admire your courage and coolness. Coolness both referring to your restraint and your being cool guys.
Regards,
a guy
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Dan:
Thank you for attempting to engage the feminists and their male feminist supporters in a polite rational debate.
Individually and collectively, however, the responses to your posts seemed to me that these same posters evidenced a "sociopathic criminal" mindset.
The "sociopathic criminal" mindset understands only "power" not "ethics" nor "rational ethical" behavior.
With proportional political electoral representation instead of the current "winner take all" form of electoral representation in the USA, Canada, and the UK, men can obtain this essential power so that their just socio-political-legal-cultural interests can have effective representation.
C.V. Compton Shaw
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 12, @06:01PM EST (#21)
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Judging by the "trolls" I've heard referred to on this sight I would guess that it means a person who goes on a sight and is openly disrespectful and disruptive to the discussion. A person who asks tough questions is definitely not a troll, nor is one who disagrees with the status quo.
I have a high tolerance for alleged trolls and like to debate them on the merits of an issue. The ones I have talked to usually can't stay on topic and start to engage in personal insults, name calling, rampant profanity, etc. I don't think there is a hard and fast rule for what is a troll, because many people stray into troll tendencies from time to time without being an overt troll. The people who I would classify as trolls are those who blatantly go into that kind of behavior.
Dan was certainly not being a troll in his postings on that other site. If anything those feminists' intolerance and inability to engage in honest discussion with Dan reflects more their own hypocrisy. It reflects the fundamental unsoundness of the positions they are trying to peddle in their discourse. "Just blaming men," is probably the best example of how they deal with the really tough questions that they are wrong on, or cannot answer. Keep challenging them, it lets other people see the unsound ways they use in dealing with reality.
Sincerely, Ray
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A Troll is someone who is on a board strictly to stir the pot! To create controversy to subvert the purpose of the board. I fear that we have passed the point of dialogue or reason with the Feminists. They are openly calling for our extermination and are working towards it. I fear that violence is wear we are headed. We are being incarcerated by the tens of thousands, our Sons are being medicated and punished for their gender. The Government is openly waging a War against our Gender. Even the Churches who should see what is happening is siding with the Lesbians Feminazis. There is no reasoning with these Women. We must work on those who still can be reached and reach out to our fellow Men to wake them up to what is happening. I am worried for my Sons and Grandsons and the injustices being waged against us. My own Sisters do not see it because they have daughters. I have two Sisters who think I am exaggerating the realities of being Male today. The feminists are succeeding in destroying Marriage and the Family. And even the Churches are ignorant to what is happening and even support much of the feminist agenda.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 12, @10:35PM EST (#24)
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"The Government is openly waging a War against our Gender. Even the Churches who should see what is happening is siding with the Lesbians Feminazis. There is no reasoning with these Women. We must work on those who still can be reached and reach out to our fellow Men to wake them up to what is happening. I am worried for my Sons and Grandsons and the injustices being waged against us."
"The feminists are succeeding in destroying Marriage and the Family. And even the Churches are ignorant to what is happening and even support much of the feminist agenda."
Yea, I've independently come to see this same stuff you are talking about. What you say is true. You can't even escape to a Christian church today to escape the battering of feminists. Feminists hate and take special glee in targeting the churches, because in their minds they are the root and bastion of the patriarchy, starting with Abraham.
Ray
Psalms: "May their paths be dark and slippery with the angel of the Lord pursuing them like chaff before the wind, and may they fall in the pit they have dug for the innocent to fall into."
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So we should intervene.
Good idea. Intervention takes a delicate hand, and the bigger the issue(s) the more delicate one must be.
For example you could simply disclose your discomfort at hearing such "blasphemy?". You never have to justify your presence in a consensual encounter, you merely have to plead ignorance and say you are following your feelings, in a sense as simple as "don't know; guess because I want to."
You may hear the expression "All men are jerks".
Is this woman,
a feminist expressing her disdain for men,
acting like a child in a feeble attempt at traditional womanhood,
trying to get your attention,
testing you out to see how you handle confrontation,
challenging you to prove you're different,
feels like crying but barks in anger instead,
believes what she says,
is psychotic,
is paranoid schizophrenic,
none of the above,
all of the above?
You and a team of detectives couldn't prove anything. What matters is who is in control and how is that a good thing. You should always be in control of your behaviour; you have the built-in capacity for the aggressive use of force. Protect your birthright and use it judiciously.
That said, it just doesn't matter. It is all about how, what, when, and where, with the who.
When you are feeling ambivalent, don't fight it. You are the man, but you don't have to make decisions on anyone's agenda but your own.
What I am I talking about, ambivalence?
(illustration)
You dislike feminists, but you like women.
All the wrong women are feminists.
feel that? That is ambivalence.
There is nothing you can do about it except make a decision for one side or the other, and you really shouldn't take that route. Let your ambivalence enfold you like some kind of protective energy field. However, disclosure is often used in place of truth and is cruel in that application.
This isn't about talking this about understanding. Understanding yourself to give her the best shot at understanding herself.
Disclosure also comes in abstract form, like the disclosure that occurs between a man and a woman by simply navigating a shared experience together.
fraternally,
----
Donald Cameron
Amateur At Large
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1) Anonymous Postings, where allowed.
2) Seagull posting habits - fly in, squawk and shit all over the place, and leave.
3) Posts consistantly divergent from the topic at hand.
4) Frequent requests for "citations"
5) Ad hominem attacks ("You're wrong because you're an asshole" is ad hominem. "You're wrong AND you're an asshole" is merely abuse. I plead guilty to the latter, on several counts, and I'm not sorry, and I WILL do it again.)
6) Mysterious newbies or other anons frequently magically appear and agree with you - and also tend to use the same speech patterns and exhibit the same spelling and grammatical errors.
Trolls are often quite tasty if sauteed in Olive oil and a little butter, simmered gently with white wine and roasted garlic, and served on croutons with a little shaved truffle.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday October 14, @07:46PM EST (#31)
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"I was rudely banned from babble's board. They claim to be domocratic and open to debate.
(read the forum's introduction again, as this is incorrect. By imposing your own interpretation and a false one at that on rules created by women, for women's space, you are simply exercising what society teaches you every day about your male priviliage. Hint, if you can't act oppressed b/c you don't know how. Fake it. )
I for one never said anything rude or vile and merely presented facts that were contradictory to their brain-washed ideologies. Yu can see for yourselves what I wrote here. If you feel like engaging them in debate try to be open and polite using fact and principle. 90% of the men's movement will be in confronting the falsehoods and laying down a standard for fairness. I'm not asking you to troll I'm asking you to take a stand either on the internet or in your community. It will be a tactfull and principled battle but most of you are well equiped. All you really need is a good and honest heart"
(let's show those evil feminists that they can't get away with setting up their own space, establish their own rules for discourse, without getting the permission from men's activists, by launching an invasion(but we won't call it that of course) and thus by our actions remind them that in this society, it's the men who decide who gets to discuss what, where and when, and why what rules. Get it? )
The more men say they are oppressed by women, the louder their actions prove that they're wrong.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @01:49AM EST (#32)
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"it's the men who decide who gets to discuss what, where and when, and why what rules."
I have a problem with the above statement and the one below, and am somewhat in disagreement generally.
"The more men say they are oppressed by women, the louder their actions prove that they're wrong."
The 1st statement I disagree with, because, it is people who are fair and reasonable (both men and women), A person should not violate the rights of one sex to satisfy the rights of another and vice versa. What is fair and reasonable can still make for a lively debate, depending on the persons perspective.
The 2nd statement I also disagree with because of its vagueness and illogic. It appears to me to be a non sequitor (does not logically follow). The 2nd sentence does not logically follow the 1st one. It is clear to me that the more men prove they are oppressed (by women or other sources), the more they will have proven they are oppressed. Anyone can "say" anything about anything, and it is just an opinion until proven.
Where I have a problem with the militant feminist movement is where they rule that certain evidence as inadmissible, because it proves the incorrectness of their ascertations. Additionally, the reasoning used by many militant feminist to prove their arguments is often nothing more than rationalizations and pseudo-science.
If we continue to follow the intellectual and academic enlightenment in our sciences and laws that is used by militant feminists, the entire human race may well be living in caves again, and soon.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @02:37AM EST (#33)
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"By imposing your own interpretation and a false one at that on rules created by women, for women's space, you are simply exercising what society teaches you every day about your male privilege. Hint, if you can't act oppressed b/c you don't know how. Fake it.)"
What feminists often perceive as oppression of women is often nothing more than whining used for exploitation, and sexploitation of men. I can understand how women have a difficult time understanding men's oppression, because we are so different basically and biologically. Men have a difficult time understanding women’s oppression for the same reason. Women's studies denies that our biology makes us different, and that our "professions as well as our gender roles are societally constructed."
I do not plan on "faking it," anytime soon in order to pretend to be something I'm not. It is unfortunate and tragic that men's perspectives are not permitted to enter into the discussion of male-female dynamics on some militant feminist discussion sites. It makes me wonder why that balance is purposefully excluded, unless of course a particular site is geared for "Lesbians only." If so they should state that clearly.
I know that women's studies textbooks view all heterosexual sex as a form of oppression of women by men so maybe that should be clearly stated up front, if that is what a particular site wants to use as one of the filters. Likewise women's studies books (programs) openly encourage "gender experimentation," and alternate sexual lifestyles as liberating. Sorry, not interested. My maleness finds completeness in natural relations with the feminine physique, and desires nothing more or less. Again, I contend that is simply my biology and not some social construction.
Lastly, as far as your comment on male privilege goes, here are some of my next T-shirt sayings for what I will be doing a whole series of T-shirts on (I wish I could include some of the pictures I will be using with the sayings):
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS SO WHY LESS THAN 1/2 OF COLLEGE STUDENTS?
(where is Title IX?)
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS OR BEASTS OF BURDEN?
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS OR CANNON FODDER?
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS OR BATTERED VICTIMS?
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS, SO WHY 75% OF SUICIDES?
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS SO WHY 76% OF HOMICIDES?
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS SO WHY 93% OF THE PRISON POPULATION?
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS SO WHY 94% OF WORKPLACE DEATHS?
PRIVILEGE PATRIARCHS SO WHY 76% OF HOMICIDES?
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS, BUT HALF OF ALL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS!
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS, BUT 99.999% OF COMBAT DEATHS!
PRIVILEGED PATRIARCHS, BUT LEADERS BY SEX IN THE TOP 10 LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH BY DISEASE!
I could go on, but I think that you get the point that the militant feminist use of the term privileged patriarch is just one more example of how women’s studies is concretely be proven to be an abhorrent pseudo-science like the eugenics programs practiced in California in the 30’s.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @02:44AM EST (#34)
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"you are simply exercising what society teaches you every day about your male privilege"
Anyone who sees "male privilege in Western society," after the above "partial list" is probably either a militant feminist or a practitioner of the abhorrent pseudo-science known as women’s studies.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @08:14AM EST (#36)
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Great ideas. You know, you could also put that all on one t-shirt- ?privileged patriarchs? across the top, then the list in smaller letters. The title would get people looking, then they would have to come in close enough to talk to you to really read the rest. Just a thought.
Jen
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @02:52PM EST (#37)
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Men are oppressing other men. White men oppress Black and Hispanic men. Straight men oppress Gay men. How many men in these oppressed groups would feel welcome at your site, yet you incorporate their very real oppression at YOUR hands as your own.
Who kills most men? Other men.
Who rapes most men? Other men
Who batters most men? Other men
Who runs the criminal justice system? Men.
Who starts wars, who declares wars? Other men.
Who kills most women? Men, especially those they know and trust
Who rapes most women? Men, see above.
Who batters most women? Men, see above.
Who fights in wars but has never had the power to declare one? Women.
The privilaged patriarchs are those of your same race, sexual orientation but most particularly, gender who pull your strings, because you fervently hope that the pieces of what you get are still better than the crumbs women receive.
The system that has upheld you, favored you is also killing you. There's a certain degree of irony in that and the fact that you are so quick to blame women for all your perceived oppression that you still don't get that.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @09:57PM EST (#38)
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You do convey some information accurately, however:
"Who batters most men? Other men"
No you're dead wrong about this. Studies clearly show it's women, and you failed to mention that women commit the majority of child abuse, which gets our children off to a really great start in life.
"Who fights in wars but has never had the power to declare one? Women"
Now your being just plain silly. Women are not even required to register with selective service or be drafted, and 99.999% of those killed in combat are men. Step up to the plate lady and handle all those other bad men in other countries and I’ll just stay home and stoke the fires and do housework. It’s long overdue that big mouthed women pay their dues (fully) in war.
"Who kills most women? Men, especially those they know and trust."
Not true again, DOJ stats indicate that intimate partner violence is a smaller fraction of all violence against females, and that men die in much greater numbers over all than women. It is true that it is men that are committing most homicides and violent crimes, but the way you frame the issue makes it impossible for any male victim to be recognized. I don't think a dead male ultimately cares if it is a male or female who killed him, and I don't think as you seem to that because he's male he's somehow more disposable. Society, however does think that way.
Likewise you get billions and billions under VAWA, and prison and the grave are the only shelters that men know so give me a break. No really, if you want to stop violence give me a break and billions and billions to fund it.
"Who rapes most women? Men, see above."
True, but if accurate stats were keep of jail house rapes they might well prove that there are more men being raped by men, than women raped by men, but once again our society treats men as disposable, and feminists fail to notice that there are good decent men in our society who are victims or are trying to be productive contributing members of society. Women’s Studies on our college campuses vilifies all men under the Myth of the “Privileged Patriarchy.”
"Who runs the criminal justice system? Men."
In California it's the Femicrats under Attorney General Bill Lochyer. You need to look at all the Femicrat lawmakers in California, Massachusetts, Colorado and other bastions of man hating as well to give a fully honest answer to this question.
"Who fights in wars but has never had the power to declare one? Women."
There are 31 women's commissions in California and they have declared nothing short of war on men. There are 271 women's commission in California and they have declared nothing short of war on men. They completely destroy men’s and boy’s lives in a more covert way then men destroy lives in war, but in many ways are just as lethal.
There are no men's commissions in Los Angeles and 1 in New Hampshire that is struggling to survive. Women's Commission have great power to influence policy and legislation, and any Californian who knows about the Commission of CA women lawmakers, and knows of lawmakers like man hating, male bashing Barbara Boxer, Sheila Kuehl, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, etc., etc. knows the misandry that every California man endures. Look at the Femicrat female lawmakers who opposed Paternity Fraud legislation in CA if you want to see the true face of militant feminist hatred of innocent men.
You pick and choose how you present things (leaving out a lot of significant information and quoting out of context) and thereby present a very dishonest picture as all the destruction that militant feminists do in our western societies.
Yes the privileged patriarchy is at the top of the spectrum but that is a tiny percentage of all men, and feminist hate monger bigots have raised a real ruckus and have succeeded in battering the heck out of all other men with their lies and deceptions that tear down and destroy all other men in great numbers. I assure you my father with his 7th grade education was not a privileged patriarch, nor was I when I was sent to Vietnam as a teenager.
How dare you cast me or my father as somehow responsible for wars, because of our sex. Perhaps your efforts would be better spent if you looked at the horrific pressures women put on men to achieve and sacrifice to see the real people who cause wars.
There's a certain degree of irony in that and the fact that you are so quick to blame men for all the perceived oppressions that you still don't get that. It is feminist hate monger bigots who are destroying men, women and children as much as other men.
I could say more, but you get a general idea of what I'm saying. We face a human problem so let the sex without sin cast the 1st stone. Come back anytime to chat. Unlike feminist boards we are not afraid to ferret out the truth or have an open, discussion about the issues, even if we don't agree, or see things from different perspectives.
Isn't the freedom of speech that our founding fathers and mothers created for us beautiful? Yes, our founding mothers are fully responsible for that too, because the founding fathers just couldn't have done all that without the founding mothers who were right there with them all the way (but probably not in the same way you think of women being with men today).
Sincerely, Ray
P.S. The system is killing everyone, but isn't it ironic that we live longer than ever before. Of course a white woman lives about 14 years longer than a black man and about 6 years longer than a white man. I think that stat is the ultimate mark of who is being truly oppressed. Again come back anytime and grace us with your knowledge, please.
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I just read her post about an hour ago, took the time to gather my thoughts, and was going to reply. I really think you hit the nail on the head. We men MUST be willing to admit that there is a serious DV problem that affects women, but also use facts to point our that men are victims too. Also we as men who cry out for fairness must acknowledge the terrible crime of rape that affects many women. True, I was falsely accused of rape, but that didn't polarize my thinking of "us" vs. "them". We men's activists must, must be the ones who acknowledge the pain women suffer at the hands of rapist coward ass wipes. If we show them we don't condone this very personal crime and also show that men are falsely accused we avoid the "us" vs. "them" mentality that the feminazi's want us all to have. Great post Ray.
Peace
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @11:20PM EST (#41)
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Steven:
Thanks, it would be nice if we could convince the women's studies programs to start being honest too.
Just today I was reading on Project Innocence's web site that in addition to the 138 people (137 men & 1 woman), that have been exonerated by DNA evidence through Project Innocence, there are also thousands of people who have been arrested, but then cleared by DNA evidence. Some have served jail sentences as long as two years. Guess which sex predominates in that category of incarceration.
Sincerely, Ray
Knowledge will tear down the wall of ignorance, nay, the wall of stupidity that militant feminism has built between men and women in our society. It will be a picnic returning to the usual war between the sexes (differences & disagreements) after contending with the crimes of those abusive, battering monsters.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @11:08PM EST (#40)
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"Men are oppressing other men."
True, the men in charge are oppressing men, and they're influenced by feminists who control what they do and the lies that feminists are spreading.
"White men oppress Black and Hispanic men."
And White women do too. Lots of White women owned slaves in the Carribean. http://www.landofsixpeoples.com/news/nbn906063.htm And lots of White women cheered when black men were lynched, especially after a White woman pointed the finger at him and accused him a rape.
"Straight men oppress Gay men."
And straight women opporess them too. Why are straight women so opposed to dating bisexual men?
"How many men in these oppressed groups would feel welcome at your site, yet you incorporate their very real oppression at YOUR hands as your own."
My organization in Los Angeles has several black member and has had Latinos members as well. This website has had at least one American Indian who was active for a long time. This site has also been friendly to men of different sexual orientations, which you would have learned had you checked the news topics.
"Who kills most men? Other men. Who rapes most men? Other men."
Interesting you say that right after defending Black men. I can say the same of Black. "Who kills most Blacks? Blacks. Who rapes most Blacks? Blacks." So what's the point? Would you demonize Blacks the way you demonize men? Or are you a hypocrit? I think I know the answer.
"Who batters most men? Other men"
As Ray said, this is not true at all. Women initiate domestic violence as often as men do, and it's equal in lesbian, gay male, and heterosexual relationships. So gender wise, nobody initiates it more than anyone else. See this bibliography
http://www.csulb.edu/%7Emfiebert/assault.htm
"Who runs the criminal justice system? Men."
And men get much higher sentences for the exact same crime. The difference is even more than race. So yes, men are discriminating against men. http://dvmen.org/dv-49.htm#pgfId-1395993
"Who starts wars, who declares wars? Other men."
Who supports those wars? Women. 76% of women and 86% of men, for example, supported the initial U.S. attack on Iraq. Not much difference. Who gives over half the votes for those who declare war? Women.Yet who gets blamed, and who gets drafted? Men.
"Who kills most women? Men, especially those they know and trust"
The last part is not true. But yes, men are committing most violent crimes of robbery, etc., although women do so in high numbers as well. But again, you who defends Blacks, one could ask who kills more people proportionately, Whites or Blacks, and get the answer Blacks. You would defend based on economics. But what about men's social protector/provider role that puts them more in a position to be breadwinners and commit crime when they can't fulfill? Funny you'll attack only men but nobody else.
"Who rapes most women? Men, see above."
Rapes make, as Ray said, a small percentage of violent crime (unless you looked at rigged studies by people like Mary Koss, as exposed by Christina Hoff Sommers in "Who Stole Feminism"). And if we counted false accusations of rape as rape, which it is psychologically and emotionally, the numbers would be far more equal. http://digillure.com/men/amen_rapelies.html
"Who batters most women? Men, see above."
Again, see above. Wrong.
"Who fights in wars but has never had the power to declare one? Women."
Oh we've been through this already.
"The privilaged patriarchs are those of your same race, sexual orientation but most particularly, gender who pull your strings, because you fervently hope that the pieces of what you get are still better than the crumbs women receive. The system that has upheld you, favored you is also killing you. There's a certain degree of irony in that and the fact that you are so quick to blame women for all your perceived oppression that you still don't get that."
Interesting, where do you see us blaming women? Can you point out where we "blame women"? Or are you just too quick to react, like most feminists are, rather than think objectively and critically?
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @11:47PM EST (#42)
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And here is a little bit of news from the Independent Women's Forum right off there web page. I love those women.
Ray
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May 15, 2003
IWF in the Media
News of IWF's Expansion Is Making Waves in National Journal
Women's Forum Opens a New Front (excerpted from National Journal)
"Memo to NOW: Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid," reads a statement by forum President Nancy M. Pfotenhauer, announcing her group's effort aimed at "combating feminist judicial activism and campus indoctrination." In an interview, Pfotenhauer said the annual budget of the 11-year-old forum is expected to double from its historic average of $1.3 million. She said the forum would use the infusion of money to hire more personnel, to mount a stronger presence in court battles, to develop additional campus chapters, to launch a new Web site providing daily reporting and commentary, and to fund other programs.
As the forum sees it, liberal feminist groups "have been smart" in recent years about avoiding legislative fights and instead have focused on advancing their agenda through the courts and in colleges and universities.
Now, Pfotenhauer said, the forum is launching a counterattack in those arenas. "We have the resources to do it," she said. "We are going to have a cat fight in the courts, and a cat fight on campuses." -Robert Gettlin
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 15, @11:55PM EST (#43)
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Did I mention in my last post that I highly admire and respect these wonderful women at the Independent Women's Forum (IWF). The post below is directly from their web page, but go their if you want to read the whole thing.
http://www.iwf.org/news/030515a.shtml
Sincerely, Ray
WASHINGTON, DC (May 15, 2003) – The Independent Women’s Forum (IWF) today announced a major expansion and commitment of financial resources toward combating feminist judicial activism and campus indoctrination.
“N.O.W. and other extreme feminists have been smart—rebuffed by public opinion and legislative bodies, they have worked hard to make their agenda into law by taking their pleas to activist, liberal judges who are willing to write law from the bench,” says IWF President Nancy M. Pfotenhauer. “And they have permeated college campuses to such a degree that they have successfully killed intellectual diversity—college students with differing views are routinely intimidated into silence.
“Our forays into the American campus have connected us with countless bright young women frustrated by rigid feminist propaganda of male hatred and female victimhood,” Pfotenhauer adds. “But they need our support to battle the feminist campus bureaucracy and insist on true intellectual diversity.”
“IWF has long fought a guerrilla battle against such tactics. Today, we are pleased to announce we have the resources to launch a full-scale defense of both the Constitution and intellectual freedom on America’s campuses.”
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“For far too long,” Pfotenhauer notes, “feminist groups like N.O.W. have claimed to speak for American women. We’re issuing fair warning: extreme feminists, get to your foxholes because IWF is on the attack.”
The Independent Women’s Forum, founded in 1992, is a nonprofit, nonpartisan educational organization.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 16, @11:57AM EST (#46)
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First of all, who are you? At least if you are going to spout, name yourself.
Secondly, as all these gentlemen have stated, your assumptions are wrong (and we all know what assume means.)
Thirdly, have you bothered to leave your sheltered women's studies building and look around you lately? Just simply observe for one day, how many times in the media and the real world offensive material is shown against men. This includes being degraded for incompetence, being slapped, having something thrown at them (like a glass of water), getting run over, being portrayed as the villian. How about how many boys in schools are being treated unfairly, how many dads are losing their kids. Give me one example in this country where men have a real, legal advantage over women. Just one. A woman will have better chance of getting aquitted, and a lighter sentance for the same crime. Women will get custody even when proof of abuse is present, but if the man is even accused he does not even see his kids. A boy can be raped then forced to pay child support. A woman can falsly accuse a man of rape, ruin his life, and not serve a day in prison. You tell me, who is the problem here? Men don't run this country, the president is a figure head, nothing more. The radical feminists run this country, and run it into the ground. Jen
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Well, so long as we're on the subject of "Enlightenment"
Who, according to Pheminist dogma, are the primary, nurturing caregivers?
Women.
Who, according to fact, make up the bulk of single parents?
Women.
Who, therefore, are raising their sons to be that way?
Women.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Sunday October 19, @12:36AM EST (#48)
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"Who, therefore, are raising their sons to be that way?
Women."
Yea, lock dads out of their children's lives then blame them for everything that goes wrong with the kids, because they're not around.
Can militant feminists get anymore sinister and abusive? Seriously, I think the devil could take lesson from these monsters in how to practice more effective deviltry.
Sincerely, Ray
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Damn, and here was my big chance to go into the Ladies' Auxilary Tea, all drunk, fart and slap some sense into those skank ho's. Then we could go out, drink cheap beer, and beat up a couple of queers in the alley, and...
(Looking around) Okay, she gone now? Usually that's about all it takes is for one paragraph for some phemitwat-twit to go running off hysterically. I dunno thar, Random. I'm getting too old for the trolling thing. I think I'll just sit here on the front porch with my ten-guage and just pick 'em off as they decide to come in range.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 16, @07:35AM EST (#45)
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We've already seen that equal rights for men and freedom of speech don't exist there. That kind of militant feminism is what is wrong with femicrat america.
Having experienced that rebuff. I will leave the door open to them to come here. but will not waste my precious time on such attitudes by going there.
In a nutshell, that site reminds me of a selfish, mean spirited, little child who sits alone in a corner playing with her toys.
That site has already proven itself to be a complete waste of time to rational discourse, and it must exhibit a vastly different attitude toward men and their valid concerns before I will waste my breath (figuratively speaking) there.
Sincerely, Ray
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