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It's about time the public gets the details and learns what went down. It wont eliminate the myth, but it's a start.
Bravo.
Freedom Is Merely Privilege Extended Unless Enjoyed By One & All.
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It is unfortunate that all the details of the combat were skewed.
It is sad that the 507th maintenance company was attacked, and that most people in it were wounded and killed.
The media is excited because they get to use a good looking "woman" for a huge media frenzy, (it is a much bigger story if a woman does all the actions).
He did not receive hardly any recognition for his actions in that combat. But that is usually the case, most media likes to play down good events provided by men, and like to play up all the bad events perpetrated by men.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 09, @07:27PM EST (#13)
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"The media is excited because they get to use a good looking "woman" for a huge media frenzy, (it is a much bigger story if a woman does all the actions)."
Yea, you know that old media saying, "If it bleeds it leads."
When it comes to victimization as a lead story, "If it's blond, female and bleeds it's like manna from heaven to the media moguls looking for sensational news."
Yes, the media is racist, and sexist in their coverage of stories involving humnan tragedy.
There coverage is just not proportional to rates of victimization affecting groups of people in our society, not even close. They are very selective based on...
Sincerely, Ray
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And please make a note -
Pfc. Miller's honorable silence and refusal to disclose the utter degradation of Ms. Lynch's self-serving complicity in the carnival of media lies about the actual combat and rescue events is totally due to the EVILS OF THE PATRIARCHY!
In other words, he's acting the way men have been socialized to behave... let the females off the hook when their actions and morals are utterly reprehensible.
When, oh when, will we learn that this is the true source of all our self-victimization???
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Behind every woman in the spotlight is a man who did all the real work.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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that every rifle the american forces had in this engagement suffered some sort of malfunction?
cheers,
--sd.
Those who like this sort of thing
will find this the sort of thing they like.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday October 07, @02:55AM EST (#6)
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The M-16 is notorious for jamming. It suffered massive problems in 'Nam. So they changed the powder for that condition. The problem is, the new powder is made for a humid condition like nam, and not for a dust storm condition like they faced in Iraq. So not only do they have the sand and grit working against them, they have a wet-style powder that cakes up and draws sand into it on top of it.
Even as bad as the rifle is, I still suspect that those in positions where they were not expecting front line style combat were very lax about cleaning their guns as often as needed. That being said, it would be a full time job in a sand storm style condition like they had during and in the weeks prior to keep your weapon free of debris. It's not that surprising to me that they had as many problems as they had. I'm told that some of the other rifles in use have similar problems and they have gotten a ton of complaints about them.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 09, @07:30PM EST (#14)
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Maybe we should go to the AK-47. They seem to work pretty good in those conditions.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 09, @07:31PM EST (#15)
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and how about those RPG's?
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Folks, lets settle this and drop it. The M-16 and the M-4 varient, along with the M249 (Squad Automatic Weapon) are fine weapons. I have used em. In the desert. They work fine if maintained. And don't misinterpret me, the REALLY work fine in the desert. I used them in 2 different desert environment, in Arctic environments, and in swampy environments. Regular cleaning and they pop out rounds. Do they require more cleaning than, say, an AK-47? Yes. But they work fine. No dishonor meant to the 507TH heroes discussed here, but they didn't maintain a good weapon, and it jammed.
Peace
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Hello Jessica,
So nice of you to come home after your traumatizing "ordeal". You kept silent for months. Must have been to keep that secret of yours so you could make a book and (dare we wish it) movie deal. I mean, who the fuck cares about some skinny GI who saved your life with complete disregard for his own, right? Fuck him anyways. You just kept nodding for the cameras and saying you "don't remember". Funny thing 'memory'. Seems for some (and I DONT MEAN ALL!) women there is an inverse ratio of mememory to humiliation due to truth. I mean, screw PFC Miller. What did he do. Charge a mortar pit while rifles chewed up the sand, dodge RPG's, and with a faulty rifle single handedly hold off a bunch of Iraqis. Pffft. YOU get the money. So who cares. Hey, Jessica, got an idea. Send him like $25,000 for saving your life. Little geek only MAKES $25,000 a year, he should be thrilled by it. Then after you do it, TELL EVERYONE about your generosity. And you got out on a MEDICAL discharge? Nice move, Jess, now you can pick and chose the deal you want without scrutiny. Lol, ummm, WHAT scrutiny? That book "I am a soldier, too". Wow. Must be a BANNER FUCKING YEAR for the woman. Double standards in Physical Training, pop out an EO or Sexual Harassment charge if someone "demeans you" by saying you aren't doing the work those slimy men are, live the ultimate welfare for single mothers scam in the Armored Stroller Brigage, and if you are knocked out in combat you get a FUCKING MEDAL. WOW. Great work Jess. I am in the military. If I go to combat I want someone JUST LIKE YOU. I'll use you to catch bullets while I save the fucking day. Loser!
Sorry folks, couldn't resist
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Ya know, I'm of the opinion that Pvt Lynch isn't the demon here. No. The demon here is the feminist press looking for a reason to prop up a woman as a national hero. I don't know what type of advice Ms. Lynch is getting, but I have to tell you, if I went through a similar ordeal (and notwithstanding Pvt. Miller's heroism under fire, Pvt. Lynch DID go through an ordeal), and someone offered me $1M for my story, I'd be happy to share it. Oh, I might be open and honest about what REALLY happened, but even if I told the truth, the reality is that I would not (nor will Pvt. Lynch) be given any editorial rights over the story. So Hollywood will tell it any way they damn well please.
Rather than attack Jessica Lynch, might I suggest that we write to each of our Congressmen and ask that Pvt. Miller be promoted as suggested elsewhere in this thread?
Frank H
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday October 07, @02:27PM EST (#9)
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Frank, thank you. I wanted to say the same thing, but knew I would get blasted for it. Sounded better coming from you. I will be sending of an e-mail pronto. Jen
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Ya know, I'm of the opinion that Pvt Lynch isn't the demon here. No. The demon here is the feminist press looking for a reason to prop up a woman as a national hero.
If one allows people to believe something as being true by silence, one is still a liar.
I don't know what type of advice Ms. Lynch is getting, but I have to tell you, if I went through a similar ordeal (and notwithstanding Pvt. Miller's heroism under fire, Pvt. Lynch DID go through an ordeal), and someone offered me $1M for my story, I'd be happy to share it.
Think carefully here, Frank. Is that what your honor and integrity are worth, what they can be bought for?
Old story talks about a man who walks up to a woman and says, "Would you have sex with me for a million dollars?" She replies, "Yes!" then he asks, "What about for ten bucks?" to which she huffs, "What do you think I am?"
He replies, "We already know what you are, we're only haggling over the price."
Oh, I might be open and honest about what REALLY happened, but even if I told the truth, the reality is that I would not (nor will Pvt. Lynch) be given any editorial rights over the story. So Hollywood will tell it any way they damn well please.
The liklihood is you wouldn't get the million bucks and you'd be treated like and "Auntie Thomasina." Notice how Norma McCorvey is persona non grata these days? (Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade)
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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Remember, Gonzo, everything Lynch says is being filtered by the press. We really don't KNOW everything that she's said, we only know what's been published. Also consider that she may wish more to fade into oblivion, personally, than get caught up in any kind of crusade.
We can sit here and second guess her all we want, but until one of us actually talks to her personally, nothing we have to say is of any use. We have no real basis to indict her. We DO, however, have every justification for indicting the press, for either not telling the whole story or for not asking the right questions, or worse, for deliberately and knowingly shaping the story to their ends. What did Rush Limbaugh call it last week? Social engineering?
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 09, @07:34PM EST (#16)
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Steven:
No need to apologize. You tagged the bullseye.
Ray
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Private Miller, who won the Si;ver Star, should be immediately promoted to E-6 (Platoon Seargeant).I served with the US Army in Vietnam as an Infantryman. During the Vietnam War,if some soldier won the Silver Star as Private Miller did, it was usually the case that they would be immediately promoted. Being promoted to E-6 (Platoon Sergeant), from being a private would be clearly the appropriate promotion for Private Miller. Thank you very much for your heroism Private Miller!
C.V. Compton Shaw
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 09, @07:46PM EST (#17)
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There was a Sergeant killed in this encounter, and his parents were on T.V. shortly after Jessica's rescue. It seems the Sarge displayed great courage under fire, but eventually was overwhelmed. His parents were justifiably bitter that Jessica got all the glory, and their son fought heroically and the media said little to nothing about him. I read an article by a lady with the email of "oldrightwing" on MND several months ago about him. Ill try to find it, heck of a story.
Sincerely, Ray
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I am in the Army. I looked up Patrick Miller on the Army White pages online. I know his unit is listed as : 2nd Company of the 43rd Area Support Group
But I don't see it listed. If anyone can get me his middle name I can get his E-mail and we could write to him and send our thanks. Right now there are 7 guys about his rank E-3/E-4 that could be him and none are in the 2/43D. Let me know if anyone can find his middle name.
Thanks
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 09, @08:14PM EST (#18)
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http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-e/decoster/03/d ecoster073103.htm (no spaces)
"It’s past time to let go of the embarrassing Jessica Veneration process. In fact, it was indeed a Sgt. Donald Walters who is said to be the guy who fought the captors. Can we say that out loud? Guy. G-U-Y. Fun, isn’t it? Sgt. Walters was only a cook, but he was apparently one tough chap. The mother of the dead Sgt. Walters is fighting the Army for some deserved recognition for her son, because his role in fending off capture has never been recognized by the Supreme Propagandists at work in the government’s propaganda mill. And why would that be?
You see, Sgt. Walters is a man, and that doesn’t tug at the heartstrings of the clueless masses all singing ‘round the campfire in their endless unity circles."
This the piece written by Karen De Coster. Now I will try to find the more detailed account of Sargaent Walter's heroism.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 09, @08:19PM EST (#19)
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http://www.rense.com/general39/private.htm
"No answers lie in the dreams of my mind, when the ghost of war, who have no lives, prowl the fog of my memories to seek reprieve from the belly of the beast and whisper, "Live well for me."
Ray
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I can only add that SGT Walters is a true hero. Here is a soldier, out numbered, alone, wounded and he stays with his training and keeps his cool. Was he scared? I would have been. Sometimes heroes, real heroes, don't get their reward on earth. To that we have to trust in God. When Walters arrives, God will announce: "here is a warrior, my good and faithful servant. Welcome home". Peace and healing to his family.
Peace
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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