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Um, the comic today (October 2/2003) shows two women in one room talking and a man with a dog in another room. Once woman is saying, "So after being neutered, he stopped running away and was a lot easier to housebreak. Then we got the dog..."
Sounds like a misandric joke to me. I.e. the man stops running away and is easier to housebreak after he has been castrated....
R
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 02, @05:31PM EST (#2)
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Further, the 9/26 cartoon jokes about violence against men. Easy to lose an eye if someone hits you with a glass.
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Uh, yeah, I saw that cartoon today. I interpreted the 9/26 cartoon as a kind of expose of a vindictive woman getting her comeuppance by the Dad's daughter. Today's strip ruins it all. I may have misinterpreted Wiley Miller's viewpoint regarding men.
Steve
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by Anonymous User on Friday October 03, @12:04PM EST (#7)
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Steve i'm afraid you misinterpreted the comic by looking at it straightfoward, too straight foward in fact, i have been reading that comic strip for years, it's all about satire and irony. what he was actually trying to get people to see is how marriage/monogamy emasculates and neuters a man, how it makes him lose his drive and how wives then control his every move; it was the exact opposite of misandry, it was a slap in the face to all women who advocate marriage as a good thing for men.
by Cmdr Iceman
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Actually, yesterday's strip did seem to be ambiguous in that sense, in that it could be interpreted in the way that you described.
Steve
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In the past, Wiley Miller, the author of the Non Sequitur comic strip, has not been friendly to men. He's often singled out Father's Day as a time to make incredibly derogaratory comments about fathers and men in general.
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I wasn't aware of the Father's Day strips that were demeaning to men. In that case, it seems I judged Wiley Miller in too good a light.
Steve
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by Anonymous User on Friday October 03, @08:52PM EST (#10)
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Come to think of it, are there ANY fathers day comics that aren't demeaning to men?
I just recalled that I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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by Anonymous User on Friday October 03, @02:16AM EST (#6)
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We see very clearly that the female is physically violent in this cartoon, but that can easily be explained away by those familiar with the "feelings" of the Femi-Cluck-Klan (FCK).
Using femi understanding of domestic violence, we must perceive here that the logic of the male explaining human behavior in light of comparable behavior in both men and women shows too much logic. The male's reasoning (logic) is clearly trying to point out that men and women are both human, and each is subject to unique quirks and idiosyncrasies. That logical reasoning is trying to say that the behavior of men and women should be perceived as being on a comparable and equitable level. I guess that is just too much of a challenge, too much logic for the superior female depicted in this cartoon.
Winning a discussion using logic is a male tactic, and cannot be allowed to subordinate the superiority of any female, thereby it must be a form of domestic violence (standard d.v. argument). As this cartoon shows, from the pheminut perspective, any man using logic on a woman is a "batterer" who must be dealt with harshly (wine glass over head of male). In the pheminut mind set the poor oppressed woman is clearly the victim here, and through this twisted thinking (rationalizing) she is excused for being physically violent to the male.
"Daddy is overqualified indeed." Like me, we see a guy here who takes every opportunity to hold up for all the world to see (and ridicule) the fools that pheminuts are.
It is the mark of the pheminut to try to make the male look foolish and shamed, but I say to you that the real fool in this cartoon is not the man wearing the wine glass on his head, but rather the painted, bespangled, sex-ploitive poodle of a woman insulting this man at the same time she is trying to shake him down for a free meal. The throwing of the wine glass is merely confirmation of the absurdity with which pheminuts routinely adorn themselves.
Sincerely, Ray
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The 'toon's author could be interepreted as being misandristic, but I think what he is trying to do is point out the misandry in society by making it glaringly obvious in the behavior of the characters. The little girl character you will note often wears a T-shirt with a skull on it. I think what he is trying to suggest in his 'toons is the ways in which girls and women have become poisonous if not openly dangerous to men in their all-too-frequently-hateful attitudes toward us. No one can suggest for a moment the dad in the 'toon is portrayed as being either happy or fairly treated. That this theme is hit on again and again in the 'toons seems more to point to the idea that the author is attacking misandry but not openly-- more in a sideways fashion -- perhaps in an effort to avoid having fem-bot shrillers appear at his door, or worse yet, have man-holes publicly denounce him when he takes the matter head-on, hoping to score points with females.
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Anyone who knows my writing style will know I am quick to toss in the sarcasm and statistics. Hell, I GO-AND-FIND "feminist" sites to stir up trouble. (I also try to educate and empathize .. take what I say with a grain of salt fellas .. lighten up)
However ... That'n all being said. Let me belly up to the bar-b-que and tell ya this.
I wrote to the cartoon's author. He apologized and said he was trying hard to make a point. That men can be hit and women will not bat an eye. That when the man was rational he was "paid back". Think of how PC the papers are and know that in todays climate, this is about as far as he can go to show battering (its a cartoon, keep that in mind - he has an audience) and how easy it is to find reasons to do "mean things to men". I think we have ALL taken this a bit too seriously
Seriously folks, this site is great for venting and showing injusttice. That said, let us never become like those bile-spitting hate-movement dick-cutter. (hey, I HAD to say it, lol) It was a PRO MALE cartoon. Let's be supportive of each other on this site, keep up the stories, and learn to laugh more.
"I think of a man ... then I take away reason and accountability" - Jack Nicholson
Peace
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Steven,
I think that it's great that you wrote to Wiley. However, that doesn't change the fact that Non Sequitur has for years been one of the cartoons that takes the feminine point of view and pillories man at every opportunity.
As one poster noted, Wiley's standard Father's Day cartoon fare is taking a stab at fathers for not being involved in their kids' lives. The last one I saw (a couple of years ago) had an office-working father trying to remember the names of his kids. It went something like, "And give my love to the little one... what's her name?"
He did a whole series on a soul that kept returning to earth, trying to learn more and more how to be a better human being. It was very good and instructive until the soul came back as a girl and discovered oppression and abuse, which he/she had never experienced before as a male.
When I first heard of Wiley's strip I read it constantly. I love absurdist humour (Bizarro / Non Sequitur / The Far Side). However, the anti-male tone of the strip eventually begane to wear on me, and the third year in a row that he slammed fathers on Father's Day finally did it for me. I don't read his stuff any more.
Maybe he's broadening his horizons. That would be nice. However, past history makes me wary.
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Oh, and one more note about how PC the newspapers have become, and that Wiley can't get away with much more than he does. I submit as evidence Scott Adams' Dilbert. Not everyone likes Dilbert, but you have to admit that Dilbert often goes on dates with psycho / condescending / illogical women. Scott Adams unabashedly takes Dilbert's point of view, and doesn't give his dates much sympathy. An example:
Date: "I like a take-charge kind of guy, someone who tells me with authority what we're going to do."
Dilbert, in a manly style: "I say we're going bowling, now!"
Date: "That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard in my life."
Dilbert, annoyed: "I think I'm beginning to see how this works...."
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