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Two "conservatives" on rape shield laws
posted by Adam on Wednesday August 13, @09:26AM
from the Pack-your-bags,-It's-guilt-trip-time dept.
News Well well, if there's one thing two certain groups love, it's attacking the nearest man through his kids or sexuality, and in these two cases, it's the latter. As Maggie Gallagher asks Should rape shields hold? And Kathleen Parker says Naming rape victims may liberate the rapist I hope you notice how feminists put women first if it comes to a throwdown between the nearst man and woman, and how "conservatives" do the same thing. And also the fact that the paternalism they want is dependant on the very men it will harm. In closing, I would just like to add that with the spread of information they can't hide any longer. They're dependant on our consent to do this to us, and that being modern men, saying no is a moral imperative.

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Communist and Reactionary Female Supremacists (Score:2)
by Thomas on Wednesday August 13, @12:09PM EST (#1)
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I hope you notice how feminists put women first if it comes to a throwdown between the nearst man and woman, and how "conservatives" do the same thing.

They both hold the unshakable belief that women are fundamentally superior to and more deserving of life than men. With respect to their attitudes toward men, the only difference between communist feminists and reactionary feminists is that the former believe that there is always and everywhere a struggle or conflict of interest between men and women, the latter wait for one to crop up. Until the struggle or conflict of interest arises, the reactionary feminists keep many men drugged with pats on the back over their masculinity. In the minds of both groups, however, the man should take the fall.

We need to live by the conviction that neither men nor women are superior to the other, that neither men nor women have more of a right to life. We need to move beyond both communist feminists and reactionary feminists.
Kate Faber (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Wednesday August 13, @12:10PM EST (#2)
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I read the first article, for some reason the second one didn't come up for me, even after refresh.

So assuming that every man on the planet (or woman because women are apparently raping women now) has the money Kobe Bryant has, then maybe this woman might have a case. Actually she doesn't in my opinion be hey.

Secondly the only reason the Rape Sheild law exists in Canada is because of political manoevering, a seedy deal that should ultimately be exposed.

Most people didn't care about the rape sheild law, you know why? Because no one ever figured they would be charged of rape because 99.99% of men are not rapists. But now all these men are getting burned and not facing fair trials because of a great big systemic cash insentive to prosecute men.

I have heard it said that feminists are more likely to be conservative women, and this article certainly shows it. But, when rape sheild laws were being introduced in Canada it was actually a conservative woman's group that protested it. REALWOMEN whose current modo is equal rights for women,but not at the expence of others.

Rape sheild laws discriminate against everyone. It denies men the right to face their accusers as well as it reinforces the stigma onto women that they should be ashamed of their sexual history. Hardly progressive, more authoritarian all around.

Juries are convicting men for long periods of time based on one simple thing: a woman's ability to shed tears at a drop of a hat.

Wake up America!!! Protect your rights and freedoms. Rape sheild laws are bogus and ruin peoples lives.
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Kathleen Parker (Score:1)
by Boy Genteel on Wednesday August 13, @12:55PM EST (#3)
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In fairness, Kathleen Parker stated in her column that the accused man's name ALSO should not be revealed to prevent an innocent man's reputation from being sullied forever.

Ms. Parker has defended men many times in the past from inequality and misandry, including a condemnation of the "female slap" so common to movies and television. I'm not sure she should be lumped in with these "reactionary man-haters".

Re:Kathleen Parker (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Wednesday August 13, @02:12PM EST (#4)
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Great observation, genteel. But its still a public inquirey.

Be very careful of that road. Right now in family courts where children's services are involved, they act under almost utter secrecy. Guess where some serious injustices occurr? In the best interst of the children my ass.

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Re:Kathleen Parker (Score:1)
by SacredNaCl on Thursday August 14, @06:32AM EST (#5)
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A system of justice doled out completely behind closed doors lacks accountability. Both names should be printed.

To bring the PUBLIC courts, and use PUBLIC law enforcement resources to bear on an individual who you accuse of a crime should certainly be viewable in all of it's detail by the PUBLIC who is paying for it. "public & fair trial & jury of ones peers". It's right there in the language our country was founded upon. To do less is to allow a system of secret courts, secret trials, secret arrest... sounds like Soviet Russia, know?


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Re:Kathleen Parker (Score:2)
by Thomas on Thursday August 14, @01:43PM EST (#6)
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Ms. Parker has defended men many times in the past from inequality and misandry, including a condemnation of the "female slap" so common to movies and television. I'm not sure she should be lumped in with these "reactionary man-haters".

Though I disagree with Parker on this issue, from what I can remember she is generally quite fair regarding the treatment of men and women. I too wouldn't be inclined to lump her with reactionary feminists. That's why in my post "Communist and Reactionary Female Supremacists" I referred in general terms to "communist feminists and reactionary feminists" rather than specifically to Maggie Gallagher and Kathleen Parker.

Not all liberals are communist feminists and not all conservatives are reactionary feminists. It's female supremacists that are the problem, wherever they lie in the political spectrum.
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