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Marriage in the USA and some other countries are "adhesion contracts."An "Adhesion Contract" is a contract in which there is no real "meeting of the minds" in which the person subject to the same is forced, by circumstances and/or the law, to accept terms in a contract which he would not accept if he would trully be allowed to freely and objectively bargain for the same and know all of the terms of the same. In contact law, "adhesion contracts" are considered unenforceable because of the lack of "the meeting of the minds" and the lack of the intent by both parties to agree to all of the terms of the contract. Females have effectively used the political, social,economic,judicial, and legal system to make the marital "adhesion contracts", normally unenforceable in contract law, highly disadvantageous to males. Males should not marry in the USA and other countries for the aforementioned reasons.The aforementioned clearly indicates that as long a females have political power, marriage will be disadvantageous to males, the family unit itself, and to society. The only solution would be to limit political power to those of both genders who accept equality of both responsibility and rights under the law without privilege which premise the vast majority of females will and have rejected. Soceity, as in ancient Troy (known for it's domineering and feminist women), will continue to deteriorate and fall, if the aforementioned reforms are not promulgated.
C.V. Compton Shaw
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Here's more about the chip. And chivalrous idiocy as well.
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I am in my second marriage. My first wife was a very Conservative Religious Woman. She had an affair and married her lover. We had 5 Children at the time the youngest was 6 months old. My second wife is very different. She has a "past" and admitted to being sexually active an uninhibited. We are 4 years into a celibate marriage of a 6 year marriage with Medical problems that have killed her libidio. I have decided that I am never going to remarry in the US. Marriage has been a major disappointment and I am sick of the "entitlement" mentality. Men are Paychecks who exist to provide for Women. Lifetime Entertainment for Women, Oxygen, Oprah are all symptoms of the War against Men. Until we tell the Bitches to drop dead and refuse to pander to them we will continue to kotow to their whims. Screw Maureen Dowd. I would love to turn her skull into a drinking cup.
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Screw Maureen Dowd. I would love to turn her skull into a drinking cup.
it would leak.
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Screw Maureen Dowd. I would love to turn her skull into a drinking cup.
I'm afraid it might already be filled with something that I wouldn't want in any drinking cup that I used.
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Perhaps an ashtray, then?
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by Anonymous User on Monday July 21, @05:21PM EST (#4)
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I'm currently 24 and up until the last year or so was pretty sure I wanted to get married (to a women from my home country, Canada). But over the course of the last year, I've started to realize that these days, marriage especially for a Man has got to be one of the most stupid things you can do.
Consider that half of marriges will end in divorce. Being a Man, you will get fucked in the ass by the courts, you'll lose the house, your money, the kids if you have any, plus you'll have to pay child support and Bitch Payment (also known as "alimoney". Then on top of that there's "The Chip" and "The Attitude" of American and Canadian women. Why even fucking bother?
From a cold rational standpoint I think it really does make more sense NOT to get married if you a Man.
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I've started to realize that these days, marriage especially for a Man has got to be one of the most stupid things you can do.
I hope you're talking with your male friends about this.
Oh, and, um... Enjoy the hook-ups.
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As for enjoying the "hook-ups"... Why not?
There's few prostitutes these days; it's difficult to make a living selling what so many talented amateurs are giving away for free. Keep to a regimen of a good hot bath once a week, tight briefs, and regular condom use, and most guys - and we're speaking the very vast majority - will be childless, with no hooks for child support, and most of all, no legal hooks for marriage.
Then - when YOU are ready to settle down, if and when that moment ever comes - you can kiss the pheminist, free love, career-minded sluts goodbye as a thing of the past. Find a nice girl. Or a young and inexperienced girl you will be able to hornswaggle into signing an ironclad pre-nup. (By this time the brains will have moved back into the big head, and you can use your greater worldiness and experience to full advantage.)
Time and biology is in the male corner, gents. Smile. Use it to full advantage. And breed the pheminutzis into the past, where they belong.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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>Find a nice girl. Or a young and inexperienced girl you will be able to hornswaggle into signing an ironclad pre-nup.
The only iron-clad pre-nup is one that gives the woman enough so that the judge agrees that she isn't getting screwed. Women are considered the equivilent of minors in court. If they say they didn't fully understand the pre-nup or its full ramifications and the court agrees that the pre-nup isn't "fair", the court will find an excuse to disregard the parts that the woman no longer likes or throw the whole thing out completely. Especially if there are children involved.
Consider the case I've seen here recently where a lesbian told a guy she just wanted his semen to have a child but didn't want his involvement or money. Then she goes to court for child support after the child is born and the judge says the woman doesn't have the power to refuse child support because she got his semen through sex and the child is automatically entitled to the child support... no matter what the woman previously said to the man.
I married a Japanese woman many years ago and will be getting a divorce soon, but I will go back overseas to the Orient for #2. My only mistakes the first time around were my youth, inexperience, and naivete in not heeding the warning signals in her personality that jumped out at me while we were dating. Being older and a lot wiser now, I won't make the same mistakes again.
I just got through reading a really good book for anyone here looking to change their life for the better, called, "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World," by Harry Browne. The copyright is 1998 so you may have a little trouble finding it, but it's worth the effort. A super book by a Libertarian. In fact, he was the Libertarian candidate for president in 1996.
Dittohd
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Consider the case I've seen here recently where a lesbian told a guy she just wanted his semen to have a child but didn't want his involvement or money. Then she goes to court for child support after the child is born and the judge says the woman doesn't have the power to refuse child support because she got his semen through sex and the child is automatically entitled to the child support... no matter what the woman previously said to the man.
They didn't get married, so their agreement was not a "pre-nup".
The court's decision was in line with established law and perfectly reasonable.
One has to wonder why a lesbian would want to have sexual intercourse with a man, though. Couldn't they find the turkey baster?
cheers,
Tim
Those who like this sort of thing
will find this the sort of thing they like.
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>They didn't get married, so their agreement was not a "pre-nup".
A minor point, and in my opinion, irrevelent. They are both contracts/agreements disregarded by the court, in the woman's favor, after the fact.
>The court's decision was in line with established law and perfectly reasonable.
Reasonable? To make a man responsible for the support of a child against his will in spite of what the two participants agreed to beforehand? It may be in accordance with established law, but that doesn't make it reasonable.
Are you insinuating that this guy deserves what he got because he wasn't savy enough of the law? Ignorance of the law is no excuse?
What I've never understood is if ignorance of the law should not be an excuse, why aren't lawyers awarded licenses without having to go to law school.
Dittohd
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As for enjoying the "hook-ups"... Why not?
I cannot think of a reason "why not." I really mean it. Enjoy the hook-ups. Just consider doing everything you can to ensure that no woman ever becomes pregnant using your sperm.
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While I understand the reasons for not wanting to get married and the gauntlet it offers I think it's important that we also realize that by not marrying we are doing EXACTLY what the feminists want. We are lending them a hand in tearing down the institution of marriage.
I think we are better off putting our energies into bringing awareness to the problem and fighting for fairness. There is presently a move around the country towards shared parenting. This would put a gaping hole in the divorce industry as it stands. At the NCFM press conference in DC one of the questions for Stephen Baskerville was something like: Do you think that shared parenting could be an important step towards reform of the divorce industry? He answered in the affirmative. By presuming shared custody it will put an end to the automatic transfer of the kids to mommy and that will stop mommies from automatically divorcing on a whim. If they think they might not get the kids they will have to think twice. By having shared custody it will put a damper on the automatic assumption that dad's are to foot the bill. Mom's will have to pay their share and this will dampen their enthusiasm for divorcing unnecessarily.
Just my .02.
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by not marrying we are doing EXACTLY what the feminists want. We are lending them a hand in tearing down the institution of marriage.
No doubt, but each man has to ask himself if he wants to be a sacrificial lamb while possible change for the better takes place.
Regarding children, I think there is a lot of truth in Fred's statement, "If the country chooses to make having kids undesirable, then let it decline. It is not your problem."
He is also right, when he says, "Incidentally, remember that it is never now or never. Your prospects improve with time. At thirty-five or fifty you will be perfectly able to find a good woman if you know where to look."
Men need to realize that they can have long happy lives without marriage or children. There seems little doubt that, these days, their chances of having a good life are better without either. I frankly don't believe that society will collapse if marriage, as we know it, continues to decline. Society will undergo dramatic changes, with the further waning of traditional marriage, but it won't experience the total collapse that many foresee.
Women have been freed from their biology through modern birth control and safe, efficient, inexpensive abortions. On the whole, marriage and fatherhood have been turned into a form of slavery for men. (The fact that not all of the slave owner-wives abuse their power doesn't change the fact that the institutions are slavery today.)
Given the current situation, men should consider saying "No" to slavery. If anything, that is what will bring women and society to the bargaining table the fastest. And, again, time is on men's side.
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I know about Adhesion Contracts. I was in a Class Action Lawsuit against a Franchisor in 1995 over their agreement being an "Adhesion Contract". That is what Marriage is now to Men in the US, Canada, UK, Australia etc. What has happened as well is that the culture has accepted Men as second class citizens. I maintain that Fred is right. My advice to My Son when he got Married was this, do everything you can to hold your Marriage together because if you have kids and she wants a change of spouse, you will be raped by the Divorce Courts. Have no more children than you can bear to never see again and pay child support for until they are 18. Go to counseling try to make your marriage work. She has the power of the Government on her side against you if she decides to end your marriage. Most Women feel entitled to treat Men any way they want to.
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Hear Hear! Thomas.
I have two favourite T shirts.
The first one says "I dont do mingers"(aka pigs)
The second says "I dont do slavery".
I am still waiting to hear from anyone who can tell me where I can get a sticker to stretch across my cars rear window that says
"Go on then saggy tits, pass me".
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I read Fred as saying "Don't marry a feminist" and most of the US women are feminists or derivatives...go marry in Singapore. This I agree with. Be very choosy. Be very wise. I would hate to see young men denied the joys of a good marriage. I have been joyfully married now for over 20 years and it was one of the best decisions I have ever made. Research is clear, men who are married live longer and have fewer psychological difficulties. It is still a risk but I think it is worth it if you choose wisely. The men most at risk are those who don't even know they are at peril.
In the meantime fight like hell to change the situations that put males in a slavery like position. Find a wife who is interested in men's rights! My wife and daughter are.
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Addenuff - saying "Go on then saggy tits, pass me" is the sort of thing that makes men's activists look bad. "Saggy tits" is not specifically referencing feminists it is referencing women in general, particularly older women. We are vulnerable to the bogus charge of misogyny simply because we question feminists. This of course is bullshit. However, this sort of statement fuels their hysterical claims.
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I don't mean to start an argument. I just think this is worth discussing.
I read Fred as saying "Don't marry a feminist" and most of the US women are feminists or derivatives...go marry in Singapore. This I agree with.
Marrying a woman from Singapore may work out fine, if the man can become a legal immigrant or citizen of Singapore and get a reasonably good job there. (Actually, the laws may be extremely prejudicial against men in Singapore, too. I don't know.) But if the man and woman return to the US, the man will be powerless in his own home, though a woman from Singapore may be less likely than a woman from the US to exploit the unjust power that she has over her husband. You are very lucky to have a wife, who is interested in men's rights, but she still has all the legal power in your relationship. She may not choose to throw you out and destroy your life, but she can on a whim, if she so chooses.
And, again, men are likely to get women and the government to the bargaining table a lot faster by refusing to marry. In fact, I think we're already seeing this, with the rising concern over the findings of the marriage project at Rutgers, which showed that one of the reasons men are refusing to marry is because of the way that they're raped in the divorce courts. Yes, we want the laws and court decisions to change, but I think we're going to get them changed the fastest by refusing to marry as long as the laws are viciously anti-male. We need to remember that time is on the man's side in this.
Research is clear, men who are married live longer and have fewer psychological difficulties.
Do you know if this includes the 50% of men who marry but end up divorced? It's a pretty skewed study if it just includes men, who are currently married. I suspect that in most cases divorce leaves men far worse off than they would have been, if they had never married.
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I was going to reply to that "saggy tits" jibe, but I had a feeling someone already had...
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I read Fred as saying "Don't marry a feminist" and most of the US women are feminists or derivatives...go marry in Singapore.
Fred's great as usual ... but, Singapore? The girls may be real cuties, but Singapore is the #1 busybody government on the planet, controlling virtually every aspect of its citizens' lives -- all for their own good, of course! News item this a.m.: American chewing gum mfrs are rejoicing that Singapore has finally eased its restriction on their products, previously banned for the sake of cleanliness (seems Singaporeans had the nasty habit of spitting their used gum on the sidewalk, so the government simply outlawed gum). This kind of mindset, the ultimate affirmation of every female's inner conviction that everyone else's business needs to be minded by her, cannot but have a strong effect on the psychology of Singaporean women.
Though it may be true that women elsewhere don't at present behave like American women, keep in mind that most likely nearly all of them will catch up soon enough, especially if brought to this country. The Matriarchy is the Future, because the female on her own is easy to manage and herd.
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Thomas - I see this less as an argument and more as considering different strategies. We both want the same goal and both see the same misandry. It boils down to a matter of how best to change things.
I tend to feel that marriage is too important for the man's physical and psychological well-being to use as a bargaining chip for change. Men today are beginning to be much more cautious about marrying and this is what is seen by the research. Hopefully the caution will be enough to move us towards meaningful change. We are much closer than most think. The shared parenting movements are gaining in momentum and when and if they suceed, and they will suceed, we will have set a course for much more humane treatment of men in divorce.
Assume the divorce rate is now 50%. This of course is horrid. Consider however the possibility that half of the divorces are primarily the man's fault and half are the fault of the woman. If that is true then if a man acts maturely in his marriage his chances of success are more like 75% than 50%. The odds sound much better at 75% and the encouragement for men to boycott marriage takes on a different spin.
We need to not only work on finding civility in divorce laws we also badly need to work on helping men support other men. At this point in our culture men are avoiding other men often due to cultural crap and due to a man's seeing other men as competitors. This is the largest reason why marriage is so good for men psychologically, men are dependent on their wives for psychological support. The other side of this discussion is the profound need to help men begin to develop friendships with other men.
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I do seriously take your point and respect that, on the otherhand.. If you visit this weeks angryharry.com and read emails from others you will see a more detailed reason for my request for info on a suitable sticker.
From a personal point of view, I have tried just about every approach possible in raising awareness of the position of Men including the
"you keep slapping me and I will just smile back stance" women just love that.
As my handle says "addenuff" So with respect,you protest your way , I will protest mine,and please forgive any hint of anoyance here;
I appreciate that the main target is feminism, but I do think that we far to often overlook the role of every day women in this mess, I am simply letting them know how it feels.
And I do need to say that as per usual Men attack Men first and foremost, ie your response above. What we need and are starting to get, especially here in the UK is action and support for each other.
Regards
Addenuff
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"This of course is bullshit. However, this sort of statement fuels their hysterical claims."
And do you think that will make any difference ?
In any case who cares?
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addenuff - I was not attacking you. Read it again and tell me where the attack was. Consider it some friendly feedback. As an admin on this board I feel responsible to point out this sort of thing. Shaming or making fun of all women is lacking maturity and not in our best interest here.
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I too would like to see not only men but women re-think their views on marriage. If women no longer considered themselves the martyr in any and all situations, from marital dissatisfaction to parenthood and everything else in between, and thereby deserving EVERYTHIN, money, the children, house, etc. marriage would become a lot more tolerable for men. And if men no longer considered such behavior acceptable, perhaps said situations wouldn't exist.
I lean towards a sperm cartel, not intensely thrilled with the situation but like the other fellow I see the cold ratonal logic behind it. Justice is key, men should be careful in choosing their partners, but if they do have children and the woman decides she doesn't like him anymore, men should also have the same consideration in courts about their future.
Oh, yeah, and can I relocate to your family, Tom?
My mom took her friend, myself and my sister out to lunch the other day, she and the friend are midwives - my mother starts going on about how weird it is for men to be OB docs, staring at women's genitals all day.
"mother, why did you become a midwife?"
"because I want to be part of that transformation in women at the birth of their child."
"couldn't ob docs feel the same way?"
"No, male doctors don't think like that. Really, I think the underlying reason men become ob doctors is because they like to torture and mutilate women. Perhaps they don't realize it, but deep down it's their reason."
I think I knocked the breadsticks over at that point.
So, I really wouldn't mind a place without such 'insightful' revelations at the dinner table, whatcha think? ;)
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Crescentluna - LOL! Come on in buddy. We aint' perfect but this family is aware of men's rights and the misandry that permeates our culture. It has literally taken years of "educating" to get people on board. My wife slowly changed over about the last 10 years to being able to see what I have been railing about. It was frustrating at first but now she is telling others the things she sees. My 21 y.o. daughter still rolls her eyes at my views but she listens and is willing to discuss things. My son who is now 15 was an easy convert once he hit middle school where the sexism worsens dramatically. He doesn't roll his eyes, he's pissed and is talking with his friends about what he sees.
BTW have you asked your mom how many midwives are men? Need a little affirmative action there eh?
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"I think the underlying reason men become ob doctors is because they like to torture and mutilate women. Perhaps they don't realize it, but deep down it's their reason."
And what, I wonder, could possibly be the reason why the overwhelming majority of white anglo & jewish women circumcise their sons? ... while making sure that doing the same to girls is a federal crime.
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Hi Philalethes - Good to see you. Do you know of Ron Goldman's book, "Circumcision The Hidden Trauma: How an American Cultural Practice Affects Infants and Ultimately Us All" I heard about it the other day and thought of you.
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Do you know of Ron Goldman's book, "Circumcision The Hidden Trauma: How an American Cultural Practice Affects Infants and Ultimately Us All"
Yes, there's a paragraph in it from me, taken from a "my story" essay I wrote in response to Ron's call for material for the book. His excellent website is The Circumcision Resource Center, particularly good for an anti-circ Jewish perspective.
Also, "Intactivism," is an site from New Zealand with lots of detailed information, including a list of over 300 "Circumstitions" (Reasons Given for Circumcising a Male): "The variety of reasons given for male genital cutting (and the irrationality of most of them) is amazing. Put them all together and your mind will boggle."
Recent discovery of the work of Peter Levine has considerably clarified my decade-long struggle with chronic illness (chronic fatigue, low back/sacral pain, digestive debility, severe depression, panic attacks, suicidal impulses, etc.), which I now recognize as "post-traumatic stress" reactions deriving from my circumcision 60 years ago. Particularly read Levine's articles "Understanding Childhood Trauma" and "Nature's Lessons in Healing Trauma." Naturally, he doesn't mention circumcision, despite it's being by far the most common trauma-inducing event in America (what the Matriarchy doesn't want noticed is a non-subject) -- I'll be writing to him about that.
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LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA: At the behest of genius professor Tom Leykis, the term "Alimony" will be replaced with the term "Vaginamony" effective January 1st, 2004. This will reflect the true nature of this particular form of welfare - it is designed to benefit those with vaginas, and so it shall be named.
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But Thomas, would the term vaginomy be offensive to any one with a vagina? dont forget there are millions of women who have never married , lesbians even who may take offence, and we would not wish to give the feminists any more reason for accusations of misogyny now would we?
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But Thomas, would the term vaginomy be offensive to any one with a vagina?
Do you mean to ask Thomas or Tom?
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Sorry bud!
It doesnt really matter, just poking a little fun at what in my opinion is a little but of hypocrisy amongst the activists aproach/style.
And I have my head phones on at the moment listening to Hawkwind, just clearing out excess wax lol
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 23, @11:10AM EST (#24)
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Call a spade a spade, why not?
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