[an error occurred while processing this directive]
Progress on Attitudes
posted by Adam on Thursday June 12, @11:28AM
from the Facts-on-fatherhood dept.
Fatherhood Neil Steyskal writes "Linda Chavez' latest column shows that some are waking up to mothers' role in fatherlessness. She talks about women's attitudes about whether a father is needed; but she doesn't mention that most divorces are initiated by women, nor that 40 percent of divorced mothers interfere with children seeing their fathers. Still, it's progress. "

"The Lowest Moments in Advertising" | Men's Rights Martyrs Rising  >

  
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
I'll tell you what else is left out. (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Thursday June 12, @12:42PM EST (#1)
(User #661 Info)
What's left out is the blatant hypocrisy of such women who hold such attitudes, and it a nutshell it's "I don't need a man in my life - I just want his check."

Like I have said before, so much for the strong, successful, independent woman.

By and large, men, by instinct, are willing to admit the need for dual role parenting. The rare bird men who have custody of their children that I know have waived (effectively) child support in favor of the mother's continued involvement in their children's lives. Widowed men are much more likely to be up front and admit that part of their criteria for a new life partner is to be able to interact with their children. They back it, too. How often do you see women telling stepfathers to butt out when it comes to "her" children? Men are much more likely to include in discipline a notion of being respectful to a new wife (And they get much more guff from daughters over the subject than from sons, as well.).

(Yeah, I'm sure we'll have femboy Brian or our Pheminazi Lorrianne complaining about "Have you commissioned a two year multimillion dollar study to support your findings? No, I haven't. Just 15 years of personal observation of paying attention to such things. But I guess the virtual universiality of my observations will be declaimed as not enough, or ancedotal, even though it's from hundreds of cases I have seen. Well, you can't convince someone whose mind is made up already, can you?)

Fact is, the vast and overwhelming amount of studies done on the matter show that if a child has to be raised by a single parent, the father does a better job; the only exceptions being the few rigged studies whose conclusions were bought and paid for by Pheminazis.


---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
Re:I'll tell you what else is left out. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday June 12, @04:24PM EST (#2)
Hi Gonzo,

Is Brian really a man?

I thought that was a pseudonym.

1st Time Poster
Re:I'll tell you what else is left out. (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Thursday June 12, @06:48PM EST (#3)
(User #661 Info)
Who knows? This is the internet, for all anyone knows I'm an 18 year old girl. It's both the beauty and the curse of it.

Personal opinion? I think he's one of those guys who was raised by an arch-feminist, and saw the error of it, but can't quite break the grip, so the "kinder and gentler" feminism over at ifeminists is what he latches on to. He sounds like one of those guys who sucks up to feminists and prattles and parrots their crap hoping he'll get laid.


---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
Re:I'll tell you what else is left out. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday June 12, @08:36PM EST (#4)
oh god male feminists are even worse than female ones.

It's not the supossed "equality" that I'm against it's the gynarchy that I'm against.

Aaron
Re:I'll tell you what else is left out. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday June 12, @10:48PM EST (#5)
Anyway,

When I strolled, (strolled - not trolled), over to I-Feminazi.com, I noticed someone using the handle of "Brian" making many inane and misandric statements towards several posters.

I figured "he" must be a man-hating lesbian.

Who Knows? Maybe he is.

1st Time Poster
This glass is definitely half full (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday June 12, @11:25PM EST (#6)
It really is a good thing most of the time that some women are finally beginning to see and comment on the misbehavior of other women, whether the situation be divorce, false accusations or whatever else. In my view these women generally fall into three categories: the arrogant, the misled, and the repentant.

It now being commonly-accepted reality among the "sisterhood" that women are eons and light-years ahead of men in the area of morality, women must therefore now compete with each other, and therefore must expose the nefarious deeds of other women. But it doesn't mean that they think any more of men. Unfortunately I have found a deep-seated contempt for men almost ubiquitous among women in the professional and especially chattering classes. It is this smug condescension which irritates me and many others, and the reason why some women who THINK they are really standing up for men nevertheless get flamed. Because they aren't really standing up for men; they are merely endeavouring to show their superiority with respect to other women. They need to told to return when they are willing to respect us as full human beings, not as poor little defective women.

However, not all fall into this category. The column by Linda Chavez struck me mainly as mealymouthed and weak, rather than condescending. Yes, much was left out. There is loads of data showing that women are more responsible for family breakups than men. Are the results of this latest study really that much of a surprise to her? Or, if as she says, fathers are extremely important both to their sons and daughters, does it stand to reason that at the same time fathers are these awful creatures abandoning their families in a heartbeat? Of course not; these ideas are only the result of anti-male stereotypes. So she does deserve credit for confronting her own stereotypes, even if she hasn't come the whole way yet. Abandoning stereotypes caused by extreme brainwashing takes time. To be quite honest, I haven't completely overcome my own sterotypes caused by years of feminist indoctrination, especially in the media (and I have been explicitly anti-feminist since age 17).

Also I think that there is another group of women that has a difficult time because they see what feminism has done to men and feel partly responsible for it. Perhaps they didn't speak out when onerous and unjust anti-male laws were proposed and passed. Perhaps they stooped to some misandry and contempt for men themselves. It's always a hard thing for anyone (male or female) to admit his or her own personal responsibility. However, it is important for us not to take the attitude of an eye for an eye, which leaves everyone blind.

Vince S.


[an error occurred while processing this directive]