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Gents,
I sent an email to Ms. McElroy. I enjoy reading her articles. The feminists have declared war against us and our Sons. Their goal is nothing more than the destruction of the family. They are succeeding. We must fight for our Children and Grandchildren. I will never stop fighting for mine. I talked today to my Father who is 75 and a Liberal. He is thoroughly indoctrinated with this feminist whooey. I cannot change his mind, but I must fight for my Sons and Grandsons.
They deserve better treatment than we have had.
It sickens me that Dr. Chang must fast until he dies to get social justice out of those scumbags in New Jersey. There will be more casualties among us but we must never surrender.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 04, @10:44AM EST (#13)
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You Wrote:
"There will be more casualties among us but we must never surrender."
My Reply:
It sickens me to know, that each day, these prejudiced, hateful monsters are manufacturing new victims by destroying men's lives with their pogrom against men.
You Wrote:
"...but I must fight for my Sons and Grandsons.
They deserve better treatment than we have had."
My Reply:
We must muster all available freedoms (speech, press, etc.) that these fascist, tyrant feminists have not yet fully stripped away, and fight them (peacefully) as if our very freedom from slavery depends on it, because it does.
We must muster all our strength and economic resources that these fascist tyrant feminists have not yet fully stripped away, and fight them (peacefully) as if our very lives depend on it, because they do.
Let Free Men Ring,
Ray
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They point to extreme and angry expressions of masculinism as being representative of the entire movement.
Sounds mighty familiar.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday June 03, @06:47PM EST (#3)
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Well Lori, as soon as its men who are doing all the "silent legislation" (much like how Hitler took over germany), then the rest of us will go 'Ha!', with you.
Dan Lynch
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The extreme and angry feminists that people here quote are mostly award-winning, well-published, well-paid and very popular women. Secondly, their messages are often funded by tax-dollars and usually taught as legitimate academic dialogue in universities. Thirdly and most importantly, the actions of major feminist institutions speak for themselves.
And anyway, isn't Wendy McElroy an "ifeminist"? Most people here seem pretty supportive of her.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday June 03, @07:49PM EST (#5)
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Women like that past Ms Editor, who is basically allowed to say that all men should be murdered.
Ya, imagine someone going around saying all women should be murdered. This stuff gets national press.
The dehumanization of men is national daily news. Its identical philosphy to nazism. The Nazis also claimed their were oppressed and suffering because of the jews.
Its no coincidence that the supporters of nazism changed to supporting feminism.
"Today Germany, tomorrow the WORLD!".
Yes I would say most support Wendy McElroy, Lori was trying to discredit Wendy I was pointing out the hypocracy.
Dan Lynch
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I was not trying to discredit Wendy in the least. Try again.
There are howling mobs in both feminist and masculinist camps ready to indict each other wholesale. They are one in the same. Wendy herself in a backhanded way acknowledged that there are "extremists" on the masculinist side. What she failed to do was acknowledge is that they are the exact counterpart to the extremists on the other side. That's fine, it's HER article, just like this is MY post. Individuals right?
Why is it assumed that one has to "support" someone whole hog or not at all? That in itself is indicative of the blind ideologue extremist mindset.
I disagree with Wendy on some matters, agree with her on others. That's the POINT of individualism, in case you need it spelled out.
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I was not trying to discredit Wendy in the least. Try again.
Yes you were. She disagrees with your ideologies.
There are howling mobs in both feminist and masculinist camps ready to indict each other wholesale. They are one in the same.
Whoa, there, Pink Ranger! I'll submit to you that the pheminists are a fascist movement whose goal is not equality, but special rights and privileges for women at the expense of men. The quotes and writings that support this are legion, and have been posted before at great length.
You're painting as an "extremist" position those who refuse to roll over and take it, and aid and abet in their relegation to the status of second class citizen.
And the next time you feel you're the gender subjugated, go ahead and filkl out an application for something, and hear the "ka-ching" as your genitals rack you up an extra few affirmative action points.
Wendy herself in a backhanded way acknowledged that there are "extremists" on the masculinist side. What she failed to do was acknowledge is that they are the exact counterpart to the extremists on the other side.
And so what? The segment of the men's movement who wants to collar and tag all of you, and slap you into a modern day house-arrest style of concentration camp is pitifully small - but rather large on the pheminazi side
And don't point the finger at me, babe. I just don't want a blessed thing to do with the whole lot of you that I am not required to.
That's fine, it's HER article, just like this is MY post. Individuals right?
Absolutely. It's a long held libertarian position that you have the perfect right to be both wrong and stupid. Why you have to exercise it with such disturbing frequency is a question only you and your therapist can answer.
Why is it assumed that one has to "support" someone whole hog or not at all? That in itself is indicative of the blind ideologue extremist mindset.
Politics. Ever been in a courtroom? Studied law? Maxim number 1: Never concede a point. Watch a lawyer in action sometime, and you'll see what it means. Unless of course you'd rather see the struggle for Men's Liberation go outside the bounds of the rule of law?
Number two on that list is that every time you raise your sorry old cry of "Not All! Not All!" it's with the calculated intent of watering down a valid point. If someone comes on here, fresh from the trenches and just getting screwed in court talking about how "All women are lesbian witches intent on sacrificing men to their Dark Goddess" you don't say a peep, because it's patently untrue. The minute someone says anything which is for the vast and overwhelming part gospel, you're "Janey-on-the-Spot" to demand that it be quantified, clarified, toned down, and watered down to where the statement is weak and ineffectual.
Why? Seems obvious to me. Nice try. Pity you hit a board where someone else has studied rhetoric. Damn that Patriarchal Classical Education, eh?
I disagree with Wendy on some matters, agree with her on others. That's the POINT of individualism, in case you need it spelled out.
Your command of the obvious is absolutely staggering. Noting like throwing in a single truth to attempt to add ethos (That's debatese for "credibility from authority") to your otherwise vacuous position.
Yeah, you've been slapped down again; so it's time to go sulk for another week or two until someone else comes up with some evidence or logical construct which threatens your worldview.
Cheers! ;-)
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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"It's a long held libertarian position that you have the perfect right to be both wrong and stupid. Why you have to exercise it with such disturbing frequency is a question only you and your therapist can answer."
OMG, that has got to be the best quote I've ever seen! LMAO!!!!!
Please, PLEASE let me use that in the future! :o)
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 04, @08:20AM EST (#11)
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"You're painting as an "extremist" position those who refuse to roll over and take it, and aid and abet in their relegation to the status of second class citizen."
Excellent point Gonzo - let's at least compare like with like:
Potential Jail time for a DNA test on your own child to determine paternity - extremist to suggest it, or simply oppose it?
Incessant male genital mutilation humour - extremist to suggest it, or simply oppose it?
Anonymity for rape accused as well as accuser - extremist to suggest it, or simply fair?
Equal rights for fathers - extremist to suggest it, or simply oppose it?
I could go on. I would be extremely interested to see examples that masculists have suggested that could be considered "extreme" and have actually been implemented and legislated for.
We have many examples of the opposite.
Rob
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 04, @12:09PM EST (#16)
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You wrote:
"Whoa, there, Pink Ranger! I'll submit to you that the pheminists are a fascist movement whose goal is not equality, but special rights and privileges for women at the expense of men."
"The segment of the men's movement who wants to collar and tag all of you, and slap you into a modern day house-arrest style of concentration camp is pitifully small - but rather large on the pheminazi side."
"Damn that Patriarchal Classical Education, eh?"
My reply:
In the land of the blind (Pheminut City, U.S.A.) the one eyed woman is queen, and two eyed men are hated.
...but we love ya, Gonz! Let Free Men Ring!
Ray
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Yeah, you've been slapped down again; so it's time to go sulk for another week or two until someone else comes up with some evidence or logical construct which threatens your worldview.
Hmm. Almost two days. Thought so.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 04, @01:12AM EST (#9)
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" Wendy herself in a backhanded way acknowledged that there are "extremists" on the masculinist side. "
I have never seen writing or quotes on men's sites equal to what is published in either Ms, or the NY Times. I have never seen the equivalent of the SCUM manifesto.
I have never seen men saying "Lets reduce the female population to 10%" Or "Kill your mothers not your fathers". Or "Its okay to hate women".
The worst I have seen is men's sites wanting to repeal the 19th ammendment. I have seen as many women's sites on this as I have men by the way.
Please produce the quotes of these radicals, web links or anything else and I will post them here on this site myself.
I have yet to see a culture that has oppressed their women that hasn't equally oppressed their men as well.
Now show me these radical men's sites.
Dan
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 04, @11:50AM EST (#15)
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Lorianne wrote:
"What she failed to do was acknowledge is that they are the exact counterpart to the extremists on the other side."
My reply:
Stop battering the male victim. Your insensitive accusation is a fallacious assumption on your part. It is abundantly clear that you have no idea what it is like to be on the "other side" so please do not be so impertinent as to assume that you have a clue. It is apparent that you do not.
Ray
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They point to extreme and angry expressions of masculinism as being representative of the entire movement.
Sounds mighty familiar.
A just darn those mean old men for getting pissed off at being kept on the pheminist plantation. Why, if they keep doing this, sooner or later they'll hit the point of the "hundredth monkey" and the movement will really start to rock and roll. Then you'll have to pick your own darn cotton, eh?
Maybe you can shame them into remaining complacent every time one of them starts to get angry, and they'll stay in the slave-row where they belong, hmm?
Nice try. Almost even having subtlety. I'll give it a 6.8 on the Gonzo Scale. Did they update the Pheminist Marching Order and Debate Strategy Handbook again? I've got to say, Lorianne, this is almost original in composition; unlike many of your previous posts which always seem to be paraphrased from some Pheminista propaganda somewhere else.
Of course, that could be because it's so short. Lately you've been doing that a lot, just fly in, squawk, drop a load and leave. (Why I like to Call You our "Seagull Pheminist.")
Yeah, I'm mad as hell, and I'm not taking it anymore. That seems to scare and threaten you. Good.
Cheers! ;-)
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 04, @10:33AM EST (#12)
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"They point to extreme and angry expressions of masculinism as being representative of the entire movement."
Yes, these vituperative expressions are more accurately called "BATTERED MAN SYNDROME." They are nothing less than a direct result of men having their lives destroyed by sexist, vilifying, feminist hate propaganda and laws.
Instead of lying some more, these Canadian feminists should start supporting services for men who are suffering greatly and dying early, because of all the hate that the feminists have systematically generated against men. If these Canadian feminists are serious about stopping hate then I can see no better place for them to start than with the pogrom they are so viciously carrying out against all innocent men. STOP THE HATE = STOP THE FEMINISTS. STOP THE LIES = STOP THE FEMINISTS. STOP THE INHUMANITY. STOP THE FEMINISTS!
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 04, @11:41AM EST (#14)
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The "War on Terror" is a sideshow. The real threat to our society, our lives, and our freedoms is already among us, and taking a far heavier toll than any foreign terrorists. That destructive force to the way of life of the vast majority of men, women, and children in our society is called, “feminism.” The word “feminist” has become so synonymous with prejudice, evil excess, hate, and lying that moderate feminists would be wise to completely disassociate themselves from that word, lest they become stigmatized by it.
Let’s face it, feminism, as it is perceived by society today, is predominately thought of as an ideology that is verifiably based in man hating. Because of the mounting atrocities that feminism continues to commit, it is becoming a word that is rapidly falling into ignominious common usage along side of words like: Ku Klux Klan, and Nazism.
The word "feminist," because of the atrocities committed in its name is a word that is rapidly becoming irretrievable for any useful purpose in advancing the cause of women.
The vast majority of Americans oppose it heartily, but like the insidious cancer that it is, “feminism” has worked it's way into our midst through liberal Women’s Studies courses in colleges, and liberal judicial activism (legislation by lawsuit) in our courts. Who among us is really worried about threats from foreign powers when the quality of life we live is already so diminished by the feminist hate groups among us? For many American men alive today, life is, tragically, not even worth living?
The aforementioned opinion is not hate speech. It's just an insightful perception of "feminism" from a targeted victim of “feminism's” misandry. Like many other American men I see it as the greatest evil that we are facing today.
Ray
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