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by Anonymous User on Monday May 26, @05:54PM EST (#1)
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Remind me to never see a Meryl Streep movie again.
I love how as soon as women's looks begin to fade they begin to speak about equality.
Mark
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She then urged male graduates, who included her nephew, to help shatter the glass ceiling that holds many women back...
At least she didn't enlighten them with grim statistics on how males are so much more sickness-prone, biologically weaker, and shorter-lived than their female counterparts. That's what Gloria Steinem did at a college graduation address I read a transcript of. Good message for young men embarking on the world, eh?
You could fill a thimble with what I know about Meryl Streep personally, so I can't really put her comments in context of her overall views. If, in fact, she faced real sexism as a college student, then I can't fault her for pointing out the historical reality of gender barriers.
But there are other types of gender barriers besides the ones that once limited women's participation in education and employment. And frankly, I think a college graduation address is a poor venue for gender rhetoric. Why? Because it discourages one half the graduating class while ever so subtly accusing the other half.
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"Because it discourages one half the graduating class while ever so subtly accusing the other half."--Hawth
I agree. And often the accusation isn't so subtle. In the case of Streep's plea regarding the so-called "glass ceiling" she ignores the fact that women's choices related to career and family are what really affect their likelihood of rising to the top positions. She and her feminist friends seem to want the standards lowered for women so that they can achieve equal result without equal effort.
It doesn't surprise me that Gloria Steinem (with her anti-male sexism and bigotry) would disparage males by pointing out their health vulnerabilities and shorter longevity. The impression I got from Hawth's description is that she did this in a dismissive and condescending manner -- as if to try to shame or even ridicule men. She and her sisters seem unwilling to consider the possibility that men's gender roles and society's tendency to be more protective of females than of males contribute to men's health risks and shorter lives.
All of this continues to reinforce my perception that feminists want double standards -- a high standard for men and a much lower one for women.
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by Anonymous User on Monday May 26, @11:30PM EST (#7)
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"she ignores the fact that women's choices related to career and family are what really affect their likelihood of rising to the top positions."
Finially, I've been waiting for someone to point that out.
"She and her sisters seem unwilling to consider the possibility that men's gender roles and society's tendency to be more protective of females than of males contribute to men's health risks and shorter lives."
Yah no kidding eh, men work the most dangerous jobs and are the largest victims of suicide and homicide, geez, that coulnd't contribute to a lower life expectancy AVERAGE, could it?
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I searched online and found the Steinem transcript I referred to. I hadn't noted before that it is dated 1970 (and also appeared, in a slightly re-worded form, as a newspaper editorial around that same time period). The link is here.
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by Anonymous User on Monday May 26, @09:26PM EST (#3)
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"She then urged male graduates, who included her nephew, to help shatter the glass ceiling that holds many women back from top positions in business and politics,"
My Reply:
The Easter Bunny,
The Tooth Fairy,
The Glass Ceiling,
The Sky is Falling,
The Sky is Falling,
etc.,
etc.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I love seeing this high priced actress babbling inanely in that well know language, femi-speak. I'll have to introduce her to my parrot to see which one knows the most femi-babble. Hope I can stick out to the end without jumping out the window.
Collegiately Yours, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Monday May 26, @11:11PM EST (#6)
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"She told the male grads that the "door should be opened for the ladies — the boardroom door, and our gentlemen will have to do it."
Let us hope that men are learning fast that there will be no more door holding for females (boardroom or otherwise). It's chivalrous sexism, and if they want any doors held open, let them hold doors open for men. We've done it way to long.
Also, most women just don't have the stick-to-it-ness that a man has, when it comes to working their way up the old career ladder, yet somehow that's mens' fault. We get them pregnant so they can't have careers or sucess so they sue us for divorce, take the kids, then go back to school on all the money they take from us. Oh well, if men have even less empowerment maybe we'll die even sooner so we won't have to put up with their crap as long.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday May 27, @08:42AM EST (#8)
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Women have incalculable advantage in universities, the professions and the workplace generally due to their capacity to manipulate "chivalrous" males. Sexist chivalry is , at the end of the day, the root cause of all inequality facing men. I would suggest the term "chivalrism" to describe it ( to correspond to chauvinism ). This is to distinguish it from "chivalry" which belongs to a bygone era.
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One good thing to consider in the current misandric nightmare of undergrad college life young men must tolerate is this-- anyone who wonders where the next generation of men's rights activists are coming from need only look at the men in the audience at this commencement!
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anyone who wonders where the next generation of men's rights activists are coming from need only look at the men in the audience at this commencement!
I have definitely gotten the impression that young men are fed up and will begin to defend themselves. And these college educated men will be joined by their less educated brothers.
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