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Then again, maybe there should be one team per sport per school, and the best men and women should get to be on the team.
Why is it that women who run 4:40 miles receive athletic scholarships but men who run 4:40 miles can't even make the team? Why are equally qualified men denied employment opportunities in the WNBA? Where is the EEOC when you need them? Why should women, who are no better than men, get preferential treatment just because they're women?
I'm fairly athletic and have been so my entire life. I can run a marathon and I can bicycle 100 miles. I've gone rock climbing, scuba diving, skydiving. I've climbed Mt. Whitney and Shasta in California, and I've run to the top of Mt. Evans in Colorado. All 14,000 foot peaks. My resting pulse is between 35 and 40.
Still, I'm fairly mediocre. No professional sports contracts, no olympic titles, no college scholarships. And to put it bluntly, that's my tough luck. Just like 99.999% of all men, I lack the talent of elite athletes. The point is that I don't go around whining that I'm being discriminated against because no one is willing to give me a million dollar sports contract. I play the hand that God gave me. It doesn't mean I can't participate in sports. I participate in sports all the time.
Apply the same standards to women that are applied to men. If you're not good enough. Tough. One team, best people play. If I'm willing to compete against women, why aren't equally qualified women willing to compete against me. Head to head.
Or as the case may be, separate by ability, not by gender. In high school cross country, there was the A team (7 fastest runners, boy or girl), B team (next 7 runners, boy or girl), C team (everyone else). There would be 1 or 2 girls in a large A race, a few more in a B race, and about 50% in a C race. Everyone gets to participate and compete against others of the same ability. What could be more fair?
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shawn> Apply the same standards to women that are applied to men. If you're not good enough. Tough. One team, best people play. If I'm willing to compete against women, why aren't equally qualified women willing to compete against me. Head to head.
Nice principle, but don't expect Cathy Young nor our erstwhile ifeminist allies to accept it.
cheers,
Tim
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In this year's Boston Marathon the fastest participant received $80K.
The 2nd - 14th fastest each received considerably less.
The 15th fastest participant received $80K.
All the racers were equal, number 15 was just more equal than the others.
I think Orwell was an optimist.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday May 13, @06:19PM EST (#2)
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Anika is a great female golfer but has absolutely zero chance of finishing near the top of the leaderboard in this event. I saw an interview with a pro baseball player this past weekend (I forget which one) and the question came up whether or not he could be a pro golfer. The interviewer asked him if it's true that he beat Anika and he said yes he did. He is a baseball player, not a golfer.
Her being in this event (the second shortest course on the tour this year by the way) no doubt denies a "real" PGA golfer a shot at the tournament. That being said, I don't believe in telling private organizations who they can or can't admit as members and who they can or can't allow to play in their events. After all, the PGA isn't a publicly funded organization and I believe that if they want to limit their tournament to left handed Catholics from Rhode Island only than that is their business.
Mark
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I don't believe in telling private organizations who they can or can't admit as members and who they can or can't allow to play in their events.
I agree. I just think we should be aware of what's going on--that preferential treatment is, once again, being given to a woman who probably wouldn't make it based on her ability. And I do wonder if government funded (i.e. university) special teams for women should be eliminated.
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Professional golf, like every other professional sport, is primarily a business. The fans are the customers. If they want to see Anika play, and they're willing to pay, who am I to say "yes" or "no". The market, the customers, will determine the outcome in the long run. Or, as Ayn Rand taught us, reality always wins, eventually.
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- Mr. Dave . . . Reno, Nevada, USA
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Yup.
Let's just be aware of what's happening. A women is playing, and it's her genitals, not her ability, that got her there.
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I agree that it's the fact that she's a female... but IMO it's the publicity that the PGA wants, and I have no problem with publicity stunts. My only real gripe is that you'll never see a pro male allowed to play in the LPGA as a "publicity stunt".
I'm sure after she gets spanked the feminists will start to complain about how much money the Patriarchy made exploiting poor Anika.
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One way of seeing the womens sports is as a form of handicapped division, and a women entering the male division (and not sucking) is showing that women can over come their natural handicap (at sports).
Putting a pro male into a womens team doesn't really prove anything. Putting a suck male on a womens team might prove something, but I am not sure what.
--- panlet ---
Yes, I do know I overuse italics.
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Professional golf, like every other professional sport, is primarily a business. The fans are the customers. If they want to see Anika play, and they're willing to pay, who am I to say "yes" or "no".
An interesting concept, for sure. But does this mean that any business can hire or refuse to hire a person based on their sex. If Anika plays, she will take the place of a more qualified man. She's hired, he's not. All based on sex. Can any business base it's hires around the desires of it's customers?
Of course, golf is more than a business. It's enertainment. But then, baseball is enertainment and it was segregated by race 50 years ago. Fans/customers paid to see white athletes compete.
I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying that there is more to think about.
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But does this mean that any business can hire or refuse to hire a person based on their sex.
This is an interesting point. I look forward to the responses. Also, of course, can any private business hire or fire a person based on race or on age?
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An interesting concept, for sure. But does this mean that any business can hire or refuse to hire a person based on their sex. If Anika plays, she will take the place of a more qualified man. She's hired, he's not. All based on sex. Can any business base it's hires around the desires of it's customers?
That brings up another question: Do you have a "right" to a job, even if the employer doesn't want you?
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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To people insisting that this golfer should be able to play with the men, why not have Tiger Woods play in the LPGA? Hey Martha Burke, if you're really for equality, why not have the best male golfer compete in the ladies tournament?
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It’s a perfectly valid point to say that if a woman can play in a PGA event then a man should be able to play in an LPGA event. But don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen - public opinion rules.
As I understand the law the entertainment industry, including professional sports, is exempt from laws forbidding discrimination. Which means that if there’s enough pressure and support to form a professional golf tour specifically for blind left-handed Tibetan millionaire eunuch monks it is perfectly legal and will happen. And it’s why segregation in professional sports is legal. I suspect the PGA could deny her the right to play (if they have the huevos).
Sorenstam accepted a “sponsor’s exemption” to be allowed to play. That means some corporation expects to benefit from its actions. What sponsor would expect to benefit if the sexes were reversed?
This is an obvious example of the financial incentives to promote double standards.
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>>It’s a perfectly valid point to say that if a woman can play in a PGA event then a man should be able to play in an LPGA event.>>
Actually it's not, the PGA has no restrictions on race, gender, etc. for it's competitors. The only rule is that everybody plays from the same tees. The LPGA specifically says that their competitors must be female. So no matter how many women tee it up on the PGA tour, no man will play on the LPGA without a lawsuit. I don't blame Annika, though. She was kinda pressured into it. There is a local woman in Connecticut that is a pro at one of the courses and qualified for the Greater Hartford Open this year. When she qualified, she was allowed to play from the womens' tees, but will have to play from the pro tees at the GHO. (Since then the rule got changed at the qualifying tournament and all competitors play from the same tees, but she qualified fair and square by the rules at the time.) She readily admits that she has no chance against the guys and most likely won't make the cut, but she decided to play anyways because it's a once in a lifetime chance. The LPGA and a lot of their fans didn't want this unknown to be the first woman since Babe Didrickson to play a PGA event, so they started working on Annika to play one and got the tournament to offer her a sponsor's exemption. Frankly, even though I'm a huge fan of Annika, I'd be shocked if she even came close to making the cut.
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the PGA has no restrictions on race, gender, etc. for it's competitors.
Thanks for the correction.
Do you know where that sort of information is available for other sports such as NBA, MLB, NFL, as well as PGA? I've been frustrated in my attempts to find what the rules really are.
I read or heard once that the NBA originally did not restrict by gender but did so when the WNBA was begun. But I've never found solid information on it. If I remember correctly, Cheryl Miller tried out for the NBA.
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