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by Anonymous User on Friday May 02, @04:32PM EST (#2)
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Though not familiar with this particular site, i have had discussions like this before. Being a Libertarian-leaning individual myself I've often contemplated the possibilities of this Rand-esque concept.
It unfortunately seeme to me to be next to impossible. It would require alot of people with no job or family ties constraining them.
I'd love to see it and support the idea though.
Mark
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by Anonymous User on Friday May 02, @05:28PM EST (#3)
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I'd rather remain and fight to right the wrongs in the rest of the U.S.
Marc
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> It would require alot of people with no job or family ties constraining them. I find it hard to believe that most , if not all, people couldn't find a similar or better job in almost any state given a choice of the city they go to within that state. Do you feel that most people are really lucky that they were born and brought up in the exact city they are presently in, otherwise, they wouldn't have a job comparable to the one they were super-lucky to have now? I think all it takes is people with drive and confidence in themselves and a burning desire to be free of so much government control. Everyone who signs up is promising to move to that state within 5 years of the project reaching 20,000 members. I bet most people would have no trouble finding a replacement job that's just as good or better with a little drive and perserverance. And they could do most of their legwork from their present location. I also think that all these smart, aggressive people will boost the economy of whatever state they go to and attract and create new businesses wherever they go. Once much of the government red tape is done away with and taxes are seriously lowered and word gets around, I'll bet there'll be more and more businesses moving there also. As for family ties, big companies move their valuable people around all the time. Run of the mill 8-5'ers maybe not, but people who are young, sharp and upward mobile that have higher degrees of confidence in themselves? And who wouldn't consider putting a little space between them and their in-laws an improvement? And what about the thousands of men and women who join the military every year agreeing to be moved all over the country, not to mention overseas repeatedly during their time in. And a large number reenlist when their time is up. Besides, to accomplish radical goals takes people with the ability and drive to do what's necessary to attain what they desire. I think it just takes enough people who want it bad enough. And how hard should it be to find a measly 20,000 of these types of people out of a population of 280 million? Dittohd
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 03, @12:39AM EST (#5)
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A place where women would be held JUST as accountable for crimes as men? No more, no less?
A place where men would have access to their children after a divorce?
A place that wouldn't tolerate misogyny OR MISANDRY?
A place where men weren't seen as 4th class citezens?
A place where men have equal representation in the media?
A place where men wouldn't be abused, humiliated, and dehumanized in entertainment?
Well, If they allow Indians, I might just consider such a place.
-Thundercloud.
"HOKA HEY!"
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 03, @09:24AM EST (#6)
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"Well, If they allow Indians, I might just consider such a place."
Thundercloud,
I personally wouldn't consider it if DIDN'T allow Indians. I'd tell them to kiss my patootie.
- Freebird
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 03, @03:39PM EST (#10)
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Since people feel connections to not only their immediate families, but also to their cousins, aunts, uncles, neighbors, friends, hometown newspaper, etc. a re-location package wouldn't be enbough for those people. If people behaved rationally and based on logic alone, this would be more feasible. However, people have feelings that would likely prevent this. I, for example, love this concept and would love small government as much as anyone. In fact, I almost always vote Libertarian. But, I love my parents even more and wouldn't move out of measly Youngstown, Ohio for this purpose.
Mark
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 03, @05:09PM EST (#11)
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Mark,
Yeah, My parents are the only thing stopping me, at least for now.
I am in my 40s and my parents are elderly, (but not "old".) I spend a fair ammount of time careing for my mother who suffers from respitory problems, I couldn't leave her behind.
And my dad, ...Well he's just like a father to me. A MEAN one, but I love him, too.
(Just kidding, Dad.)
-Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 03, @05:12PM EST (#12)
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This is "Thundercloud's" Dad.
I HAVE NO SON!!!
(Just kidding "Thundercloud".) :)
"Thundercloud's"
Dad.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 03, @05:13PM EST (#13)
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Touche, Dad.
Thundercloud.
"HOKA HEY!"
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 03, @08:08PM EST (#15)
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Oh, man! You guys are giving me a good laugh over here!
- Freebird
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I am sure that if the required amount of people signed up, to include the allowed for drop outs, there would be an advanced party, so to speak. Everyone that agrees would be part of an organization, networking to assure that those that followed would get the help that they needed finding jobs, places to live, etc. In order for something like that to work the people would have to be organized from the beginning. Consideration would have to be given to resistance from the ruling powers of the chosen state, a need for security might even be necessary so as not to warn the locals. Logistics, logistics!
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Consideration would have to be given to resistance from the ruling powers of the chosen state, a need for security might even be necessary so as not to warn the locals.
One of the subjects being analyzed is the current population's affinity to the Free State Project's views. It will definitely be easier going somewhere where a large number of th people already agree with the free state philosophies.
As far as dealing with the ruling class, the more people we get to go who are willing to participate in politics (I assume most if they're willing to pick up and move to attain more freedom), the easier it will be to convince the locals and vote the present ruling class out where necessary.
I suspect there will be no such thing as "hush hush" as far as this project is concerned. As radical as it is, the liberal media will be fighting it tooth and nail, I'm sure. We just need to fight the good fight. Why wouldn't taking over ownership of certain or all local media or putting in our own like-minded news media personalities be a possibility?
I definitely agree with the networking part. A common goal/enemy always brings people together. I find it hard to believe that most participants wouldn't readily help each other out wherever possible.
I think all participants will need to continually know what's going on and be continually kept abreast of our progress. A regular newsletter, I think, would be a good idea.
I think the sky's the limit, if we want it bad enough.
Dittohd
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State sovereignty, freedom and independence, the original state of the union, was crushed by one Abraham Lincoln-- a whipped slave himself under his wife, one Mary Todd-- under the federal bootheel in 1865, and there won't be any free states in the future.
How anyone can imagine that a union can grow to possess that very bodies that created it is beyond reason, however we can thank demagogues like Dishonest Abe and his worshippers after him for our current state of domestic and world affairs.
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I've been hearing about this for a while; a worthy effort, though perhaps a trifle naive: libertarians in general have a very good grasp of principle and think clearly on the abstract level, but don't seem to understand the "on the ground" situation as well, or the real nature of the opposing forces. Who do mean business, and aren't the least reluctant to do whatever's necessary to keep their plan on track. While the idea of getting all freedom-loving folks together in one place sounds nice at first, I'm a little nervous about creating such an easy target. Consider Waco, Oklahoma City, 9/11: the Ruling Elite clearly have no compunction about liquidating a few livestock (out of going on seven billion) to keep the rest in line.
Clay Douglas of The Free American was trying to organize a "patriots' village" in an abandoned mining town in southwestern New Mexico. When the government got wind of it, our local Senator Pete Domenici arranged for the town to be taken over by the feds to use for "counter-terrorism training."
The "public radio" program This American Life did a piece on the FSP recently; by chance I heard part of it, not too bad, though unsurprisingly they couldn't resist a little mild socialist ridicule. A program description, with RealAudio link (listen to it on your computer), can be found here.
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Dittohd -
Thank you very much for posting about this.
I followed the link provided and found
information about the Free State Conference in Missoula, Montana, May 24-25.
I have made travel reservations to be there.
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- Mr. Dave . . . Reno, Nevada, USA
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