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"This nonsense may be part of the feminist agenda to try to make little boys behave like little girls."
Simplistic explanation, but the truth is more horrific. No, feminists and educators are not gathering together in cornfields late at nite planning diabolical ways to turn boys into girls. Nevertheless, we have a fucked up society!
I don't doubt the feminist influence in education, however, fear of lawsuits and the exercise of terrible judgement on the part of educators and administrators are part of this "problem" as well. I put the word "problem" in quotes because this issue is no mere demonstration of inequality or unfairness.
In a previous thread I articulated how as a society we have raised a generation(s) of self absorbed, egocentric, selfish women who carry an attitude and posture of belittlement and entitlement. I described how we could have raised our women to be warm, caring, loving partners in life, and by not doing so we have sowed the seeds of all our destruction.
This is the flip side of that perverted coin. After 15 years of drugging our boys with ritalin, and after 15 years of punishing boys for being male, and after 20+ years of instilling incredible amounts of shame on them, we have a ruined generation of young men - en masse. What kind of adults will they become? I shudder at the thought.
Us men here in this forum have come to realize, through a slow process, how screwed up society is and how each of us have been adversely affected. However, the vast majority of us at least grew up in an environment where it was OK to be a boy. I launched spitballs in class when I was a kid, maybe Thomas was an expert on wedgies, perhaps Thundercloud dipped the little girls' pony tails into the inkwell. Rambunctious for sure, criminal hardly. Somehow we grew to be intelligent, thoughtful grown-ups. We were allowed to be boys. We were allowed to be male.
Not so anymore. It horrifies me to imagine the psychological trauma these boys are enduring now. The harmful psychological and psychosexual programming that is being inculcated and ingrained in the minds and psyches of our young men and boys is going to produce a generation(s) of ruined men. For each case of a boy being handcuffed, arrested, booked and carted off to jail for jumping in a puddle there must be thousands of other incidents in school that serve purposely and surely to destroy their masculinity, their sense of self, their natural sense of "wonder". This type of injury and resulting handicap is the most agregious and long lasting. Poverty pales in comparison. Our boys are being mind-fucked.
In prison, inmates are subject to a brutal unforgiving programming designed to break their spirit and produce the behavior and deportment of a broken man. The schools are doing likewise. Unlike an adult, a child cannot fathom what is really happening to him. The end results will be profound and permanent damage to their self esteem, self worth and ability to grow.
I went to high school in the 70's, my generation was characterized as the "dazed and confused". Our young boys have it much worse. Feminism aside, many educators and administrators are simply nothing short of brutal, unforgiving tyrants and bullies. I wonder where they got so fucked up, I wonder what the hell is wrong with them.
Unlike many 'womens' boards which are characterized by hate, petty derogatory missives against men, self absortion and fallacious simplistic thinking, you men here exhibit a lot of deep reflection, critical thinking and careful, thoughtful expression of opinion and analysis. I hope in time that our young boys will be able to do likewise, and unshackle the chains of shame, undo years of destructive programming and be able to reclaim their masculinity and humanity. I hope they find a way to wholeness.
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by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @11:45PM EST (#2)
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Except for the ritilan part a great way to sum it up Tor.
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I went to high school in the 70's, my generation was characterized as the "dazed and confused". Our young boys have it much worse. Feminism aside, many educators and administrators are simply nothing short of brutal, unforgiving tyrants and bullies. I wonder where they got so fucked up, I wonder what the hell is wrong with them.
I have to agree with this. When I was in the second grade I had this wicked evil bitch of a teacher. Even at that age it was obvious to every boy in the class that she hated us and favored the girls. I'm sure the old witch is dead by now. The only time she showed boys any signs of acknowledgement was when she was pumping them for information to use against other boys. I was very releived with the way our teacher treated us the next year - she was so much nicer. I've never had a teacher as evil as my 2nd-grade warden.
I also can't stand all these teachers who refuse to let their students take a fucking leak. Who the hell are they to deny a person their basic human rights? I think some of them get some kind of perverse sadistic pleasure from keeping kids away from the toilet so long they almost soil themselves. One lady I knew had to pull a little girl away from her museum group and escort her to the woman's restroom because their Nurse Rached-like escort wouldn't let her go. She was seriously jumping up and down and squeezing her legs together. Can someone tell me why school employees are allowed to violate the Geneva Conventions?
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 26, @12:07AM EST (#4)
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When I was in Junior High I had a teacher like this, I also had a teacher in High School like this. It's hard for me to say which was worse. The Junior High one attacked me, throwing me against the wall and shaking me around. The High School one was more of a mind-fuck. It was easy to see she hated men, she was also a massive control freak. She went as far as marking our classroom notes for how nice the handwriting is and clarity of notes taken. She was one of the pee tyrants too.
-Andrew74
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 26, @03:56AM EST (#5)
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Any one paying attention to the news, these days?
It seems that there is now a trend of FEMALE teachers who TIE UP and sometimes GAG their MALE students right in front of the freakin' class. The same is NEVER done to female students who "mis-behave". I have never heared of a MALE teacher doing like-wise to a FEMALE student.
Anyone who thinks I'm nuts when I say; alot of women get off on this whole "tying-up-the-male" thing, might want to re-think that position.
We just had a case like this here, in Indiana, where I live. It is being CONSIDERED whether or not they will file charges against this female teacher!
CONSIDERED!!!!!
Some one needs to tell these filthy idiot women and any women like her to keep their little S&M fantasies in their stupid empty heads, where they "belong" and quit acting them out in reality agains BOYS! (or men for that matter).
-Thundercloud
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 26, @08:00AM EST (#6)
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What I want to know is WHERE THE HELL ARE THESE KIDS'PARENTS??? I don't have kids, but I swear to you if these classroom Hitlers even TRIED to pull a stunt like gagging my son in ANY way, I'd see them in court and wouldn't stop until I OWNED them for life! That is, unless I bumped into them face-to-face and gave them a dose of their own medicine first.
I cannot fathom why the very people, parents, who should stand up for their kids against legitimate attacks, which the aforementioned incidents no doubt are, apparently remain silent and allow the abuse and TORTURE of their sons to continue.
Sorry folks, I gotta go take a cold shower.
- Freebird
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 26, @10:43AM EST (#7)
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Yeah.
And then people keep wondering; "Why are so many boys going off the "deep end?"" and "Why are there so many school shootings now-a-days?"
As a general rule,When one is in pain, one will attack the SOURCE of that pain. THAT'S why...,
-Thundercloud.
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"Why are there so many school shootings now-a-days?"
As a general rule,When one is in pain, one will attack the SOURCE of that pain. THAT'S why
To a large extent, you've hit the nail on the head. The depth of evil of the war against males is made perfectly clear by the extent to which that war is waged against little boys.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 26, @01:01PM EST (#9)
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I know I had to put up with stuff like this in school. I was always quiet and well-behaved, so for me the problem was not letting boys be boys as much as outright anti-male bias in grading and treatment and ridicule. I was too ashamed to tell my parents about the anti-male bias and unfairness because it was so unnatural and wrong. Even now it is hard if not impossible to talk about it, (I am 19.) Even writing about this is tough. (I have much better writing in my posts to other boards.) I would go so far as to compare it to sexual molestation.
That said, when parents do complain often the teacher is even worse to the students, or uses other tactics like ritalin, saying the child needs special ed., suspension etc.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday April 27, @02:36AM EST (#13)
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Anon.
True. And in nearly every case I know of, the school will take the side of the teacher over that of the parent(s). On the other hand when the victim is a girl I notice "disipinary" action against the teacher is taken more often.
Teachers do these sort of things to boys, because they KNOW they can usualy get by with abuseing them.
Sounds to me like you, personaly, have had first-hand expirience in that department. My heart goes out to you.
My sister took my nephew out of public schools for these very reasons. He is now HOME schooled.
A smart move by any parent with a BOY in school.
-Thundercloud.
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The repressive and absurd zero-tolerance policies that are currently traumatizing young boys are also harming adult men in the workplace.
Fears of violence and sexual harassment have reached hysterical proportions in the 'modern' workplace. For three years I had a nasty female supervisor who kept telling me that people felt 'threatened' by my behavior (I suffered a lot of anxiety and stress from the hostile environment that she created, and that may have been noticed by others). She called me 'boy' on a few occasions, until I firmly told her to stop. She was sick and evil, and it was starting to affect my ability to function on and off the job. Fortunately, I finally got away from her, but I lost confidence in the management where I work, as they merely backed her up on everything, and put the burden on me to prove that she was being abusive - of course my complaints were dismissed.
The three year nightmare with this supervisor left me feeling inadequate, worthless, and little more than a potential threat to other employees - even though I thought I was a decent law-abiding person before I worked there. It is part of the reason that I became an advocate and activist for men's issues.
Other men have been affected where I work as well. Some of the actions of the management are abusurd. For example, another employee was chastised for simply saying "hello" to a woman while having "bedroom eyes."
Do any others have any similar horror stories from the workplace?
Steve
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 26, @07:49PM EST (#11)
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not from a woman but I've been literally sexually harrassed (like touching me and rubbing up against my backside) by another male. The management above him thought I was a joke. I was very angry and started a couple arguments and I blew up. He made me do all the hard work and made me work faster and faster, I could never work fast enough. I luckily found another job. It's not just women who can get away with sexually harrassing a male and creating hostile work enviroments.
Oh yeah, at that job the 2 women I worked with were given safer easier jobs and were given much more slack. God I hated that place bunch fascists.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 26, @08:07PM EST (#12)
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I generally won't speak to a woman unless she speaks to me first, and then I keep the communication strickly down business lines. I also try to be sure there are witnesses around at all times. Call me paranoid, but men's lives are routinely destroyed on mere accusations, and even when a woman's lies are exposed, rarely is she ever disciplined. It happens in the workplace and the court systems, as some posters and readers here can testify.
As long as women are allowed to get away with such behavior, it will continue and worsen. Since the establishment is generally terrified of women, when men as a whole finally say "Enough!" and begin suing companies for wrongful termination and the police, courts and others for their allowing women to get away with almost anything when these situations go down, things will change. Then they'll know men aren't going to stand for nonsense.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday April 27, @02:53AM EST (#14)
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Steve.
I have had the EXACT expirince in the work place, myself.
The reasons being two.
Because I am Indian, for one but also, and probably mainly because I was (am) a man.
I was harassed for being Indian, but when I filed ANY complaints they were COMPLETELY dismissed.
However any FEMALE minority (or non-minority, for that matter) that had similar complaints had those complaints taken "siriously" and action was taken. EVERY TIME!
I was even assalted by a woman in the place that I worked. (She shoved me.)
Finaly I let my supervisors know in no un-certain terms that I wouldn't tolerate it any more. ...Guess what? they wanted me to get "COUNCILING"! (See a shrink, in other words.)
I was terminated soon after.
No justice, man. No justice.
-Thundercloud.
PS.
just for the record, I was not a "trouble-maker" or anything remotely approaching that.
I did my job and did it WELL. even recieveing a number of awards for 'job performance'.(SP?) They just couldn't have some stinkin' Injun MALE demand his civil and constitutional rights be recognized and up-held. PIRIOD!
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Yes, this stupid worthless bitch at the company I used to work for instigated sexual harassment investigations as a method of advancement. Eventually she was fired, and then she sued for wrongful termination. She has since used several other threats of lawsuits to advance in the company. *EVERYBODY* hates her. She never does her fair share of work and has the personality of a fecal pile.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday April 29, @04:00PM EST (#16)
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I agree with the critics of the zero tolerance and lack of playgrounds etc., but in my experience the real problem is outright gender bias. So, here's a badly written rant about a painful topic from my 1990s childhood. One day I will write something more substantial, but for now I just have to get this off my chest.
Teachers would in elementary school and 6th grade would always say that girls are smarter than boys. They would read books in which men are prtrayed as idots. I still remember one story where some kids go back in time to find some cavemen behaving like complete idiots and mocked and humiliated by amazon women.
If a boy shows intelligence, it is resentfully accepted at best. However, teachers actively look for and nurture intelligence in girls.
Sometimes it is done for the explicit purpose of destroying boy's self-esteem, or out of undeniable misandry. Other times it may be just unintentional bias in favor of kids that remind the teacher of herself.
Obviously, I haven't got a bibliography for these facts, but from my own experience, many teachers are actively anti-male.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday April 29, @08:22PM EST (#17)
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((("Many teachers are anti-male.")))
That's possibly because a grand number of WOMEN are anti-male, and MOST teachers (particularly in grade school) are WOMEN!
-Thundercloud.
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If a boy shows intelligence, it is resentfully accepted at best.
Sometimes it is done for the explicit purpose of destroying boy's self-esteem, or out of undeniable misandry.
When I read things like this it really makes my blood run cold, and a lump form in my throat. I know what a difference being able to excel in school and getting praise and acceptance from my teachers made to me. My family was on the dysfunctional side, and I had other problems on top of that, but it was school that pulled me back from the brink. If I'd had to put up with crap like this, God only knows where I would have ended up in life. I'm thankful I was born when I was (If you want to know when I was in elementary school, set the wayback machine to the early '70's).
To any younger guys who had to go through this, all I can say is, I am in awe of your strength that you survived! Stay strong, we need you!
When I think of the cumulative effect this treatement of children is likely to have on our society, all I can think of is the biblical image: we've sown the wind, and we're going to reap the whirlwind.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday April 29, @11:03PM EST (#19)
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>>When I read things like this it really makes my blood run cold, and a lump form in my throat.
I had the exact same feeling when I wrote the post. Often I hesitate to talk/write about men's issues since I am afraid I will just make other guys feel the same way I'm feeling. I don't think it is productive if we get too depressed.
Compared to most of the other boys I was actually pretty lucky, and after about 7th grade, I had some really nice men and a few nice women as teachers. Sometimes one or two good teachers can at least partially make up for several bad ones. So, I try to remember that no problem is completely unsolvable.
But the stuff that goes on should definitely make us sick. It's not a question of self-pity; it is a question of acknowledging that something is seriously wrong. The anti-male bias in schools, particularly elementary school and middle school, really is an appalling tragedy. I think it is even more appalling that society allows it to continue.
-Same Anonymous User
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> I don't think it is productive if we get too depressed.
As far as I'm concerned, whenever I read this kind of stories, I'm pretty full of anger and pure hatred towards feminists sexist pigs.
I'm not depressed at all, I can tell you that.
One day or the other, feminists are going to go too far, and this day they will get what they have been deserving for so many years.....
Sorry if I sound radical, but I'm more and more convinced that one can't bring a change in society without resorting to extreme and radical means.
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