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I honestly did not expect the Texas jury of 9 women and 3 men to actually convict Harris of murder. I am glad I was wrong! Maybe society is getting sick and tired of being sick and tired of some women literally getting away with murder using some worn out "abuse excuse." Let us hope this is so.
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We'll see, she hasn't been sentenced yet. She could get at the most life in prison, and at the least time served and probation. Don't applaude too much yet.
Troy
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by Anonymous User on Friday February 14, @06:51PM EST (#6)
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20 Years, Dr. Clara Harris was visibly stunned by the sentence.
The worm is turning, if not yet turned.
Ray
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Why wasn't the death penalty on the table?
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Probably because it needed to be pre-meditated, and they felt they could not prove that.
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by Anonymous User on Friday February 14, @06:56PM EST (#7)
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"Probably because it needed to be pre-meditated, and they felt they could not prove that."
I thought that Dr. Clara Harris' step daughter went a long way toward establishing this by her testimony in which she stated that Clara Harris said something to the effect, "I could kill him right now and get away with it."
In as much as she said that before she killed him one might assume she was meditating on murder prior to the event occurring (premeditating).
Ray
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The courtroom is an unpredictable place, and you need to talk to the prosecutors to find out their motivation in not seeking death. However, were I to be a juror in this case, I would not be convinced by just that one piece of testimony. (Even as much as I'd like to see her fry.) There would have to be something that demonstrated some planning, something deliberate. It's not likely to me that she could ever predict that he would be in that parking lot, vulnerable at that moment such that she could plan on killing him then. I have no doubt that she intended to kill him. It's just that I don't believe that there could have been much planning involved in it.
Overall, I'm satisfied (but not pleased) with the verdict and the sentence.
I believe in the death sentence; I just put a pretty high threshold of proof on it. Just a personal view, that's all.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 15, @06:26PM EST (#11)
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Why yes....men have never benefitted from the *sudden Passion* defense.
James *Jimmy* Walker's 4 months probation for killing his wife and her boyfriend is a figment of everyone's imagination.
Hypocrits...all of you.
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There is some truth (or was) about Cowboy Justice in Texas. Don't know about the case Young mentioned. But in general, the old rules tacitly CONSIDERED as ONE factor, whether or not the murder of a spouse was done in the INSTANT heat of the moment. Best I guess, this was not actually sexist, and applied to a woman also who caught her spouse in the heat of the moment.
That seemed to be the key, that is when this factor was a serious consideration, that the spouse actually walk in on their spouse having sex or at least in bed with another person.
This happened to my ex-roommate's replacement for me as his new roommate. I'll refer to his new roomie as John, whom I got to know fairly well, since my ex-roomie and I would become life-long friends, and I visited he & his new roomie frequently. This included John's exclusive girlfriend, who was a lovely young flight attendant.
John traveled a lot also, in his case as a Federal agent working on drug investigations. So he was always armed--and it did get dangerous even during time-off. My ex-roomie was also a working agent with John. The danger is a vengeful person or their allies, discovering where a hated agent lives, and particularly if he has a family. My roommate and I shared a bedroom in one-half of our apartment. It got so that my roommate at night, had a shotgun propped against the nightstand between our beds. And he did finally get hit five years ago.
Anyway, John was expecting to have to remain in another city over the weekend.
I first heard of it while driving around on the weekend, over the radio, a spectacular real-time news frenzy as a chase ensued around the Dallas area. John was trained in pursuit & avoidance driving, and he carried an automatic weapon and a shotgun. Part of the description of the person being chased, as well as speculation that he was a Federal agent, particularly grabbed my attention. (at the time there were only five special drug agents in Dallas for north Texas and Oklahoma)
By chance I caught my ex-roomie at home, and he confirmed it was John. What happened, is that John had a key to her apartment, returned unexpected for the weekend, and caught her literally in the act. Without thinking, he pulled his weapon and shot her dead. By that time, the dude had fled naked.
John was judged not guilty. Incredibly in maybe a decade, then for perhaps a decade, John would become sheriff of a key Texas county.
In those days, cheating was taken seriously, particularly in the home bed. Lots of people then, as now, cheated. Yet the tacit understanding was to keep it out of the face of others, most of all family, and certainly not cheat at home. In John's case, there was also the factor of his violence-prone job, and that the relationship by that time had been exclusively established.
Personally, I don't consider it so liberally, and as an excuse to kill someone. And I wasn't too fond of John personally. His personality did fit, and was amplified by, his job.
However, no man would have gotten away with murder, had he stalked and premeditated such possibly action.
In my youth, there were no-telling how many of these cases occurred, but were attributed to other causes. For example, my dad had to go out during days and run construction crews in the countryside north of where we lived.
So, he told me of one case of a man he knew from his rounds, which had just occurred. Which also shows that this Cowgirl Justice was operational, too. The wife walked in on the man in bed, and shot him dead. It was officially listed as suicide. Considering it all, this was deemed the best remaining for the surviving family.
I have returned to my home area after decades of being away. What surprises me returning, are the number of people--nearly all preaching family values--who are screwing around. I'm surprised that there is not more violence resulting.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 15, @12:38PM EST (#9)
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Friends:
Last night a few of us went out and celebrated V-Day, and the justice that one batterd man received on his wedding anniversary (although he wasn't arond to see it, because the sentence he had to pay was much harsher than that his murdering, domestically violent wife had to pay).
We wanted to have a good time, but we were discriminated against, just because we were men and charged more to get into the place. Ladies were let in free b4 10:00 p.m. Do you think this kind of behavior sends a message to society that, "Women are very special and men are expected to ante up and pay for the free ride that women are entitled to get?" Well, we don't, hence it appears that what started out as a simple V-Day celebration of men's rights may wind up being a V-Day lawsuit. A ruling in our favor will help to show concretely that in this instance the discrimination and abuse that men in society are getting, to allow women to have their privileged, special, unaccountable free ride is going to come to an end.
Could this be the beginning of the end of the line for the hypocrite free loading females our society turns out by the truck load? Could this send them a message that, "Your going to pay for your free ride, but especially on V-Day, big time." What better day for this message to get out to society and those nasty radical feminists who think they are entitled to all kinds of special privilege over men? Stay tuned for more.
Live from L.A., a few good men, on a truly memorable V-Day.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 15, @12:56PM EST (#10)
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"Well, we don't"
should have been
Well we don't think that women are very special or are entitled to a free ride at men's expense.
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Good luck on the lawsuit. My method of dealing with biased pricing at bars is to take my money elsewhere. I've never attended a "ladies get in free" night at any club... and I never will.
IMO if all men did this then such promotions would quickly die off. When I was younger, I knew girls that would go downtown with NO cash, knowing that there would be guys to buy them drinks all night. This is the reason for such advertising gimmicks, because guys are willing to pay.
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