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Allemano, Farrell and Angelucci need to be careful.
I remember years ago when Phil Donahue had his show on net work TV, and he was doing a show about how "evil" men are.
His first words were, And I quote: "There's something wrong with MEN..." In response the audience erupted in applause. The audience was comprised mainly of women, but there were more than enough Wussy-poopie men there that day, as well.
This was at least 19 years ago, But I have never forgotten it.
Maybe Phil has changed. It's possible. But proceed with caution, none the less, guys.
TC.
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I agree, my wife and I were discussing the male bashing that passed as an Oprah episode she saw last week and I started thinking about demographics. Talk shows are watched by women, my guess would be that >95% of Oprah watchers are women. Maybe Phil isn't quite as bad, but I bet it's still over 80%.
When you depend on a specific demographic to make your $$$, you're going to do shows that make them feel good, to keep them coming back. It's not in Oprah or Phil's best interest to bash women, BUT... it's a cheap and easy tactic to make people feel good by appealing to their xenophobia. First you tell them how "other" is bad, how "other" threatens them and their way of life, or better yet... their children! Then you let them in on the pseudo-fact that "we" (as in the audience) are better than "other". We have the moral, ethical, intellectual, etc... high ground. By the end of it, the talk show host has made his or her audience feel really warm and fuzzy (keeping that advertising revenue rolling), and since "other" isn't paying the bills, who cares how they feel.
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Well said, DaveK67.
You know what? I just realized that discription sounds almost identical to a KKK rally!
Not much difference, I guess.
TC.
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That's some scary stuff TC. I wish we could get a transcript of that show. Do you remember specifically what it was about and the approximate date?
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by Anonymous User on Monday December 16, @11:53AM EST (#7)
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I only saw Warren Farrell once on Irish Television. It was Ireland's main late night talk show. Every time he tried to speak, he was shouted down by the other guest (an obvious feminist plant). The treatment Warren got was shameful; I've never seen anything like it on Irish television before, or since. Throughout the interview, I don't think he was allowed to finish a single sentence. I hope Donahue isn't planning a similar "ambush".
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Throughout the interview, I don't think he was allowed to finish a single sentence. I hope Donahue isn't planning a similar "ambush".
It is my guess that with the appearance of Gloria Aldread that an ambush is exactly what Phil has in mind. Gloria is known for her big mouth, her nastiness towards men, and her male hate agenda.
However, we can ambush the show by going onto the chat section of MSNBC.com while the show is in progress. The chat section is monitored during the show for comments. In there, we can nail Aldread and Phil at every turn when they tell their lies.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Throughout the interview, I don't think he was allowed to finish a single sentence. I hope Donahue isn't planning a similar "ambush".
Are there any men's activists that we can get into the audience to keep male-hating Gloria Aldread honest? This is one show where we should have our own plants!
We could use some plants of our own to shout down Gloria if she walks all over the men.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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This is not a live show. It's being taped tomorrow (Tuesday), I don't know the time. Anybody local would need to phone MSNBC for information.
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And Donahue will be editing it to suit is ideology too? Wow!
Reminds of the time (back when I used to work for the circus), when I stopped to eat a sandwich while I was doing a trick, where my head was in the lion's mouth.
In some ways I'd be more curious to know what they edit out than what they leave in. Too bad we can't get an unedited transcript.
Ray
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His first words were, And I quote: "There's something wrong with MEN..." In response the audience erupted in applause.
TC,
There is no question but that this is going to be a male bashing show. Phil will also be having Gloria Aldred there to help with the bashing. We can expect Gloria to be vilifying Marc and Warren at every step.
She will be using every dirty trick against them. She has a very big mouth. Expect her to be rude, to constantly interrupt Marc and Warren, and to smile while spreading her hatred of men.
I would tell Marc and Warren not to go on but we cannot go into a corner and hide. Men must step forward and fight these this bastard Phil and bitch Alread who have spread their hate among the masses.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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I know that Phil Donahue had gotten married to Marlo Thomas "That Girl" who became a feminist early on. It figures that he would share her views.
Steve
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equalitarian62,
Yeah, most of these "talk-show" guys are Wussy-poopies, who marry domineering, feminist women.
Donahue is a great example of this type of guy. And Maury Povitch springs to mind, as well. Povitch, as most know, is married to Connie Chung.
I still remember Chung on a CBS news show flameing Bernard Goldberg for doing a report on "Male-bashing, out of control." Her words to him were something like; "I have absolutely NO sympathy for men, at all!" and "they get what they deserve." (This is a rough quote.) Of course Chung was never held accountable for those sentiments. (Like Katie Courric was never held accountable for her now infamous "castration" remarks.) Chung made it very clear to American viewers that she was, indeed, a millitant feminist.
Why "Media-men" are attracted to these man-haters is a mystery to me. But they, in turn, hate their own gender as well. Hmmm, I wonder if Donahue and Povitch like their wives walking on their backs with spurred stelletto boots, with a whip in their hand...? well, they're wussy-poopies, so they probably do.
The problem (amoung other things) is that these P---y-whipped, self hateing men, get their own TV shows and bring their negative "view" of not only themselves, but their own gender to that show.
BTW. I think it is time for us as men to stop being polite to feminists. If Gloria Alred(SP?) starts trying to shout our boys down, I believe they should shout back even louder.
This whole "You MUST be nice to the girl" mentality has got to go. Too many times have I seen men who at first came on a show to "defend" themselves and talk about men's issues, only to go silent and sit there like a whipped puppy as soon as some frigging feminist starts her (predictable) yelling, shouting and screeching.
This has GOT to STOP!
If I were on a talk show with a member of the Ku Klux Klan, and he/she started yelling at me, Do you think I'd sit there and take it? Not on a BET!
TC.
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"I still remember Chung on a CBS news show flameing Bernard Goldberg for doing a report on "Male-bashing, out of control." Her words to him were something like; "I have absolutely NO sympathy for men, at all!" and "they get what they deserve." (This is a rough quote.) Of course Chung was never held accountable for those sentiments. (Like Katie Courric was never held accountable for her now infamous "castration" remarks.) "
It would be nice to be able to catalog these things. Can anyone cite the date, etc. of these gaffes? They slip by when they happen spontaneously, but if we had a video of them all strung together (you know, like ceramic penises on a clothes line) it would make a helluvan impact.
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They slip by when they happen spontaneously, but if we had a video of them all strung together (you know, like ceramic penises on a clothes line) it would make a helluvan impact.
Frank,
This is an excellent idea. You are right about the impact. They would not be able to ingore the hate.
Jeff
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Since She is probably used to a reaction being either
1 Being defensive
2 Going silent in the face of an onslaught
3 Shouting back
So, why not loudly agree with her and then totaly ignore the point made and go on to make your own very reasonable point in an assertive manner?
like
..You're a waste of space...
I *totally agree* with why you might think that, [slight pause to register reaction] Now the real issue is .....
etc...
just a thought..
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 17, @02:33PM EST (#25)
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It's a good point and caution needs to be used TC. But I doubt they would invite three guests and then attempt an ambush. The three will be able to support each other and watch each other's back. It may get a little rough but with all three there it should be okay.
This is great! We need the exposure.
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If you've been watching the ratings, you'll know that Donahue is drowning in a sea of bad ratings and is in imminent danger of being cancelled. His strategy (and PMS-NBC's as well) may be changing in order to survive, but don't count on it. Donahue has quite adequately cast himself as a feminist along with his wife, Marlo Thomas.
Now, here's a strategy: contact the Donahue show BEFORE the broadcast, and tell him that you expect him to treat these men and their viewpoint with respect, and that it's far more likely that you will be a repeat viewer if he does so. His email address is: Donahue@msnbc.com .
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Good idea Frank, I'll do that.
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I will also. Good thought. Let them know we are watching and are interested in male-positive programs.
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Frank wrote;
"(and PMS-NBC's as well)"
PMS-NBC. That's great! I LOVE it! I did a double take before I got it, though.
PMS-NBC! Good one, Frank!
TC.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure it came from Rush Limbaugh originally. But thanks anyway :-)
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I don't often listen to Rush, or always agree with him, on things. But one thing' is for sure, He's no fan of the Pheminists either. So in this case in particular I see him as a valuable ally.
So yeah, "PMS-NBC" does sound like somethinmg he'd say.
Well, where ever it came from, I think it's hilarious!!
(^_^)
TC.
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Don't take this too hard you guys, I know the man myself...he is just like Geraldo Rivera [who is ten times worse]. I'll betcha once Farrell, Allemano, or Angelucci speaks, Donahue [and his opponent, whomever that bitch is] will try to say, ok shut up...next please! Donahue is just like every pro-feminist man in this country; they want to enforce chivalry and match it with the word chauvinist every time that we try our hardest, out of the bottom of our hearts, they want us to look like a bunch of fucking idiots! And don't get me wrong, the pro-feminist men [excluding Farrell] are just as worse as the pro-feminist weemen; they don't want to respect our cause, they want to hold up the one sided feminist coin bullshit, and of course, they always want to sell out!
Dr. Farrell, who has made some respectable contributions to both the women's and men's movements should be no stranger to Donahue, and I hope that he is willing to listen to Farrell's frustrations about our issues [i.e., domestic violence, father lockouts, suicide, etc.] because in this time and day, when you add that d-word, discrimination, that is just exactly what we face...
With Mr. Angelucci, and Mr. Allemano, both men's activists, I'm very ecstatic that with Farrell's inspirational leadership, that they both feel his pain and vice versa. Who knows, maybe that damn Donahue won't even try to hear them tell their side of these issues.
As for Donahue, like Maury Povich, Geraldo, Jerry Springer[yecch, bitch], and Montel Williams, his show too is probably going to go the way of the dodo...my advice, fellows is this, just think of these men as if they're nothing but tits on a boar...in other words, they're all full of shit!
Emmanuel Matteer Jnr.
Emanslave@aol.com
*****MASCULISM IS A BLACK MALE'S BEST FRIEND!!!!!*****
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With Mr. Angelucci, and Mr. Allemano, both men's activists, I'm very ecstatic that with Farrell's inspirational leadership, that they both feel his pain and vice versa. Who knows, maybe that damn Donahue won't even try to hear them tell their side of these issues.
Part of me is hoping that Marc will get pissed off and start nailing the fem-bitches as bigots. He can be quite forceful and really nail them when he feels that he's being treated unfairly.
Really, he was a sight to behold at the L.A. Board of Supervisors meeting on Nov. 19th. They had to practically call the riot forces over to stop him. LOL! :)
B.T.W. I spoke to Marc as he was arriving in D.C. last night. He was very excited to be there and meeting up with Farrell and Allemano. This morning they had a strategy session in preparation for the attack of the fems.
He will let us know how the taping of the show went later tonight.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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"He will let us know how the taping of the show went later tonight..."
And we'd all appreciate a post. If, in fact, they treat Farrell, et al, fairly, then I will make a point of watching. If not, then I'll make a point of complaining (WITHOUT watching).
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And I don't have (or want) Cable, so I too would like to know the out-come of this.
One way or t'other, it ought to be interesting, as well as a good learning expirience.
TC.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday December 18, @09:51AM EST (#27)
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Phil Donahue is a liberal. There is no doubt about that. Unlike a typical news reporter, he makes no attempt to remain neutral on the issues. He steers the group discussions to emphasize the points that he feels strongly about, and he pulls no punches in the one-on-one bouts. While he listens to the other side, he makes sure that his own opinions are clearly presented. He has no audience to play to, so he can concentrate on being a full participant in the free and open debates, except for the brief periods which require him to play moderator. He still has to keep some small amount of order in the group discussions, and cut to the necessary station breaks.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday December 18, @03:14PM EST (#32)
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Phil is not a liberal; he is a communist. His solution to everything is more government and more taxes. He is a spokesperson for Sauron.
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LOL! Phil is a minion of Sauron! Yeah! The connections are just too many to ignore.
*Out to destroy the world of men.
*Enlisting "academics" to be their first line of offensiveness.
*Whipping a group into a frenzy based on false hatred.
*Willingness to sacrifice multitudes of innocents to further the cause.
*Punishing all (PC) who are seen as traitors by the eye of Sauron.
BTW the 2nd movie is excellent!
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He (Donahue) is a spokesperson for Sauron.
I love it! I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will. (I've read "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings" four times, over about ten times as many years, so I guess I like them.)
Many thanks and cudos to Marc, Warren, and Peter. It sounds like they did an excellent job.
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I don't have cable, and, from what I can tell, this isn't going to be on regular ol' NBC. Please let those of us, who can't watch, know how it turns out.
I have to say, I love the title given on Donahue's website, "Are women getting a free ride?" It's wonderful and a noteworthy sign of changing times that the question would even be asked. At this point, one expects a resounding "No," from the powers that be, but at least the question is being asked. I hope Angelucci, Allemano, and Farrell don't namby-pamby over the issue. They should forthrightly point out the many ways that women receive a free ride. They should also point out that there is no systematic or legislated discrimination against women in western society today, while there is a tremendous amount of systematic and legislated discrimination against men.
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I don't like the title one bit. It seems intentionally provocative towards women and clearly sends the focus to be on women where it needs to be on MEN! Men's rights arent' connected to what women want or get, they are simply men's rights. He's setting this up to be about women. I hope they can turn the focus.
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I have to say, I love the title given on Donahue's website, "Are women getting a free ride?" It's wonderful and a noteworthy sign of changing times that the question would even be asked.
I spoke to Marc this morning about how the show went. Marc noted that they would not permit them to have a numerical advantage. So they put Allemano in the audience. At that point his role became to act as a plant, which he did quite effectively.
Early on, Phil tried to make a big deal about the ladies nightclub suits that NCFM, LA members are filing against businesses all over the state of California.
Gloria interrupted, as predicted, and whined about how women had to pay more for dry cleaning fees which led to the creation of CA's anti-gender discrimination laws. She tried to make it out like NCFM, LA is bashing women and abusing the law.
For her it is okay for women to sue for gender discrimination, but men should suck-it-up and eat shit. What a bitch! She also told so many lies and myths that Marc and Warren could not answer them all. What a lying bitch!
Marc responded by pointing out that men pay higher insurance rates and women get special breaks. Then he asked if Gloria addressed that issue. Of course she was caught off guard. The audience liked that tactic and clapped in response.
Clearly, Gloria got her ass kicked early on. She just flat out looked bad. Hopefully, the show will not cut that segment.
Phil noted that Gloria was loosing early on and started using interruption tactics to stop Marc and Warren from communicating the seriousness of men's issues. There was also a planted comedian that poked fun where possible to divert attention and provide entertainment.
Overall, we believe that there was good progress made by appearing on the show. They did wear down Marc and Warren with the constant interruptions by the end of the show. It was extremely difficult for them, but it will add to our side's experience in public settings and raise awareness. They are no longer able to outright ignore men's issues.
Good job Marc, Warren, and Allemano! Kudos for being there to speak-up when it counts!
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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I watched most of the show and got disgusted when it came to the "discussion" on domestic violence. Gloria Allred was allowed by the host to interrupt, interrupt, interrupt and basically shout down the men. I sent the following email to donahue@msnbc.com:
Phil,
I turned your program on gender politics tonight off a little more than
halfway through it because I concluded that you are bent on ceding to the
feminists, in the name of Gloria Allred, the floor on these issues. You
allowed her to interrupt Warren Farrell and take the floor during his
explanation of domestic violence. You cut Marc Angelucci off without being
able to answer questions directed at him. You allowed Allred to LIE about
rape statistics ("one on three women will be raped..." is not supportable by
any real data), and you yourself took the position of women as to income.
I find your positions as repugnant as I ever did. I will never again watch
your show. I hope you sink so low in the ratings that the crabs and lobsters
have trouble finding you.
Frank H-----
I had expected better because I got an email from Peter Allemano about the taping. He mentioned that he was concerned about the editing, and it turns out his concerns were valid. However, I do think that anyone listening with a critical ear toward solid arguments will see our position, though the host's following does not lead me to believe that there are very many of those folks listening. I will say that the mere fact that these questions are even being asked and that a major network actually conceded that the questions were valid enough to be broadcast is a large step in the right direction. Perhaps this will lead to other exposure. And I do agree with everyone who says that even the title itself was inflammatory and self-biasing.
Good work, Warren, Marc, and Peter!!
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I had expected better because I got an email from Peter Allemano about the taping. He mentioned that he was concerned about the editing, and it turns out his concerns were valid.
Frank,
Generally, I thought that NCFM made a great showing. Peter and Marc both got concessions from Alread. Alread had to admit that women should be treated equally with men in nightclub entry fees. She had to or she would have come across as a total bigot.
Peter made an excellent showing in several points. I am so thankful that we had those plants in the audience. They did a great job of nailing Gloria and Phil also. One of the best points made was at the end where Peter demonstrated that women are able to commit violent acts in the workplace with total immunity and no threat of legal action against them. Gloria came off as a total bigot who scoffed his point.
On the DV issue, Warren made excellent come back. He demonstrated that women are able to kill men without the statistic being counted. GOOD JOB WARREN! Nobody was able to counter that point. Not even Gloria. She tried but shouting just doesn’t work.
In the first two segments Gloria was completely shut down and could only respond by nearly shouting. The men who were with me saw that and hated Gloria. They even said, “I hate that bitch.” That was because she would not permit the men to speak on a rational basis.
In fact, Marc was cleaning up the floor with Gloria so completely that if Phil hadn't have stepped in it would have looked bad for us. It would have come across like the men were beating up the women. I really don't think we want to come across like aggressive males that are picking on Gloria and shutting her down. That would have looked bad. It would have made them look like violent aggressive evil men. They successfully avoided that image. GOOD JOB GUYS!
Overall, I believe that this show was a milestone. We made great incremental progress in putting forward men's issues. It wasn’t perfect, but it most certainly made women appear to have special privileges and to be getting a free ride.
As much as Gloria tried to tell her lies, Marc and Warren kept coming back and shutting her down. It was only because of Phil's bigoted interruptions that Gloria was able to say anything at all.
Bottom line. Gloria has been put on notice. Make no mistake about that fact. She now knows that men are answering her lies. Gloria now knows that NCFM is a force to be dealt with in California. She will have a newfound respect for that fact and the fact that Phil had to protect her when she was being nailed to the wall in her lies.
Marc and Warren even handled the issue of that myth that women make less money. Naturally, the feminists who want a free ride didn't like being held to equal standards with men. They came across as whiners.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Warb. and everyone else.
From what I am hearing, this (Donahue show) thing seemed to go pretty much in our favor.
I noticed something too. While the feminists on the show and Phil used the usual tried and true tactics of interupting, shouting and lying, I believe that their tactics failed, for the most part, because Allemano, Angelucci and Farrell used a DIFFERENT tactic than any other men's activists have ever tried before. And that is, they came PREPARED for the usual bias against men. Men's activists in the past came to these kinds of shows expecting a fair shake. But when the show would begin they got blind sided by a biased host, and shreiking feminists. But in the case of our boys, they KNEW what to expect. AND they never CAVED. That is why This should be seen as a success.
On the other hand.
Beware of Gloria Allred-neck. If my knowledge of her is sound, she will not take this loss on her part lying down. NCFM might want to prepare themselves for an onslaught of slanderous campaigns and even threats against them. both legaly and even bodily! Wendy and Trudy can certainly tell you that these feminazis are not above this sort of war-tactic. Groups like the N.O.W. are, by the very definition, TERRORISTS!
And we all know what terrorists do when they don't get their way, the way feminists have for the last 30 years plus. Well, they didn't get their way last night.
And for that I take my hat off to you guys, and everyone else out there who is fighting men's own personal "war on terrorism".
TC.
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Well, I don't think she feels like she lost, and to me, that's a good thing because then she might become complacent.
I will say one thing for her, though: she handles this kind of forum VERY well. And though I'm ecstatic about Warren, Marc, and Peter's participation, I ALSO think THEY got useful experience in how to handle this type of forum. What I mean is, you have to make use of your ability to interrupt and exploit your opponents propensity to allow the interruption. Also, you have just a few seconds to make your point, so you have to be economical with your words without sounding angry (maybe even sounding a little angry isn't so bad).
To Peter and Marc and Warren: I think you guys did your part very well, and I think you can expect to be invited to other shows on the same topics (but hopefully with a more egalitarian title)
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And though I'm ecstatic about Warren, Marc, and Peter's participation, I ALSO think THEY got useful experience in how to handle this type of forum.
Frank,
We agree that this was extremely valuable experience in the public forum. The show has been taped and we will be talking about a session where we discuss rebuttals and tactics. For example, I thought that Marc’s labeling Gloria as an interrupter was surprisingly effective.
There is a great deal of learning that has taken place. We are learning what works and how to counter the bullying tactics of radical feminists. The trick is going to be to start making them appear to be more of the male-haters that they are to the general public. They know that they have been put on notice, and that fact will not escape the radical feminist groups.
It is our experience that we will not immediately see the true effect of the exposure for a period of time. The true reaction will be in the background, and it will take time to determine the effects of that show.
What was shocking was the amount of research that had taken place on the background of Marc, Warren, Peter, and the other men’s activist plants in the audience. Phil knew all about them and had the ammunition handy to attack them if he could.
I was pleasantly surprised that the attacks backfired in their faces. We will be working on strengthening our offence against these male-haters. I can promise that we have a great deal more of ammunition in being produced.
Those of you that know me know that I promised we would be taking legal actions that would shake the country about six months back. Well now you are beginning to see the effects of those legal actions on a National scale. I can literally promise each of you that this fight has only just begun. There is a great deal more in the works. We will not take the oppression of men lying down any more.
What we need is more support from men and more members in NCFM, LA and NCFM Nationally. Numbers are everything. Organizing men is everything. As we have demonstrated men can fight back effectively without taking away the rights of women. Radical feminist groups on the other had, can only fight back through the oppression of men. That is all they've got. Men are learning that feminist groups are doing this and they are pissed. Now men, more than every, have a mandate to organize and fight back.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Warb.
Not too many people can use their words to make my chest swell with pride and hope. But you certainly did with that post!
Thanks, Brother.
Thundercloud.
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NCFM might want to prepare themselves for an onslaught of slanderous campaigns and even threats against them. both legaly and even bodily!
TC,
You are quite right. Gloria has been put on notice. She knows that she got creamed during the show. That was one hell of a knock-out punch that Marc dealt at the beginning against Gloria. After that it was just Phil trying to revive her. She was clearly caught off guard. The show was a stunning win!
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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I didn't have high hopes for this show, given the feminist and liberal nature of Phil Donahue, but things went better than I thought.
In general, Warren Farrell and Marc Angelucci stated facts, while the feminist Gloria just tried to whip the audience into a frenzy by cheerleading with feminist slogans. The audience was very skeptical at the start of the show, but when they heard some facts from Farrell and Angelucci, and some facts from men who had been screwed by the courts, the audience became less skeptical.
Angelucci immediately let Gloria Alread that he wouldn't be cut off by her, and didn't let her loud tactics intimidate him. Angelucci, Farrell and the other men came off very well -- armed with the facts.
Towards the end of the show, a couple of little girls spoke, and Farrell told one that she would have a better chance getting into college than her brother.
Unfortunately, Gloria Alread's lies were not as contested as they should have been -- due to the feminist moderator of the show, Donahue.
But, overall the show challenged the mainstream feminist views, by stating that domestic violence and murder is balanced between the genders, and there is no real pay equity difference.
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The free ride is coming to an end. I didn't get to see the show, but I asked a friend to tape it for me, so I'll see it soon. It sounds like Marc and Warren did an excellent job and Alred looked like a fool. Of course those who are wedded to feminism might fail to see this, but open-minded people may have learned a few things.
I'm delighted that this program was made and aired. Our struggle will be long and hard. The hate mongers are deeply entrenched. But the men's movement is starting to change the world and will change it for the better.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday December 18, @08:49PM EST (#34)
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Marc/Warren/NCFM/etc.:
Congratulations! You did great! Too bad they wouldn't allow most of Allred's radical feminists falacies to be rebutted fully.
Ray B.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday December 18, @09:16PM EST (#36)
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Marc:
Don't let this go to your head. Your far to effective as the humble guy you are but I couldn't resist sending this email to Donahue at the end of the show.
"Phil Donahue:
Next time allow Marc and Warren to rebut all of Gloria Allred's fallacies. Even I could have corrected with documented fact the misinformation she was spewing, but then Donahue is not about fact is he. He's about expressing his own bigoted radical feminist viewpoint. Gloria Allred can count her lucky stars you held Angeluuci's skill back so much. In the future, I will not watch or recommend my friends watch such a cowardly show host as Donahue
Very Truly Yours,
Ray XXXXXXXXX"
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I also sent in my reply to the sham of a show. I think you guys did a wonderful job given the uneven playing surface! And I also think that at this point, ANY publicity is good.
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Well I now can understand why the show is failing. Donahue had a chance to call attention to a real and growing male bashing problem in this country, and instead of taking advantage of it, he chose instead to pander to the non-existant "radical feminist" audience he seems to think he has. To allow that Female Chauvinist Sow to "out screech" men who were calmly trying to communicate their points is sad. To let her spew out her lies without an "excuse me, 1/3 raped? Where did you fabricate that rediculous number" is inexcusable.
The goofball plant from that sexist magazine was so obviously an attempt to show men as "stupid, hormone crazed idiots" that I'm embarrassed for you. By the end of the show I think if Donahue had shown a little leg he could've gotten that idiot all hot and bothered. Hopefully he made a few bucks, although I'd never sell out my gender for the chance to look like an idiot on TV.
The womens movement HAS made a lot of noise and accomplished a lot of good. But these days they're hopelessly lost in the radical liberal/feminist fringe. Look to the polls to see where radical liberalism is going, and what it's doing to the Democratic Party as it gets further and further out of the mainstream. These days it's going to be MEN and iFeminists who make the noise.
He had a chance to wake up and realize this is a new century, and while there's still a fight going on for equality... he's on the WRONG SIDE of the lines. But I guess it's too much to expect an old dog to learn a new trick.
So I'll finish with one of those malignant smiles that your radical Feminist guest used throughout the entire show. She looked like a beached shark... out of her depth but more than willing to take a finger off if you get too close... and smile at you while doing it.
good riddance to bad talkshows,
David Kuhn
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While the end topics and the inclusion of the "Stuff" magazine editor seemed to be a disguised method of undermining the issues presented the show as a whole was excellent. Marc and Warren pointed out the areas where men are silently suffering in society while not biting on the feminist bait and switch tactics.
It is an excellent lesson in being better prepared with information and keeping your cool. The personal experiences of the men in the audience added weight to the arguements. Do not bite on the false statistics women bring up. Her mentioning the 1/3 rape statistic was bait to Marc and Warren to switch the focus of the converstation to women.
I was fully impressed with how calmly Warren dealt with the murder rate question.
In closing I am greatly encouraged that a show, any show, especially one on prime time dedicated an entire show to mens issues.
[question: does anyone know if Title IX requires the SPENDING on men's and women's sports to be proportional to the student body or the POPULATION of men and women in sports programs?]
Tony
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Her mentioning the 1/3 rape statistic was bait to Marc and Warren to switch the focus of the converstation to women. I was fully impressed with how calmly Warren dealt with the murder rate question.
Now that you mention it, that was a pathetic attempt by Alread to bait Marc and Warren. I'm glad they didn't address that lie.
Warren was very impressive when he nailed Alread and that audience feminist male-hater on the lie that women never murder their spouse.
What was even better was Marc shutting down Gloria in the beginning and labeling her as an "interrupter." I was proud. Gloria took quick notice that her tactic was being turned against her. That was good strategy. Then Marc nailed her with her own lies. I am very proud. Damn good job.
Then there was Peter nailing Gloria at the very end. It couldn't have turned on Gloria any better than that example of how women are violent and get a free ride while men are criminalized. That was cool!
The composure of these men was truly remarkable. It was pure poetry. Gloria did everything she could to inflame them and make them look like angry evil men. She failed big time! We are on to her trickery and she will take notice.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Any one remember when I said we shouldn't fight fire WITH fire?
This is pretty much what I had in mind, when I said that.
Gloria Allred-neck was her usual flameing, shreiking harpie self, While Warren and Marc stayed calm and cool.
You see, It is better to fight a HOT fire with COOL water.
Again, Thanks guys!
TC.
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Gloria Allred-neck was her usual flameing, shreiking harpie self, While Warren and Marc stayed calm and cool. You see, It is better to fight a HOT fire with COOL water.
Even the plants in the audience, Peter and the others came across as intelligent calm males. There was not hint of the "angry male" bias that I'm certain that Phil wanted to get across. They did an excellent job reinforcing Marc and Warren. It made Gloria look like a shrieking male-hater.
I watched the audience (all male) at the cigar shop respond to her. Their comments were things like what a bitch.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Warb,
Something else, that I find interesting.
Women often have complained about the, "Hysterical, emotional woman" stereotype.
...Yeah, Gloria Allredneck, and all the other screaming banshees, like her, do ALOT of good dispelling THAT "myth", don't they?(^_^)
Thundercloud.
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This should interest you: I was looking forward to watching this show when it came on. Overall, I think Angelucci and Farrell did make a lot of good points. I don't think Allred is going to get much mileage long term just for the reason of her having yelled so loud.
But listen to this... I don't watch too much T.V., hence I do not get MSNBC on cable, because it's not worth paying the extra money.
So, what I did was, I went at 8 pm to the local sports bar (pretty much empty at that time) and asked if they could change the channel over while I was there. They kinda gave me a wierd look (MSNBC?) but said sure, not problem (the customer is always right?) Honest to goodness I did not do any of this intentionally. It was just the only way I could figure out how to watch the damn thing without barging in on any of my friends...
Well, as I was watching the show, some of the bartenders and other employees starting watching too. Interestingly, they took noticed, most had a few bad words to say about Allred. The were particularly piqued about some of the issues related to sports that were brought up during the show.
Some of the people at the bar started to watch, too. One of the guys was obviously an athlete, and he made some comments about how there were so many unused sports scholarships on some of the women's teams that teammates actually go out recruiting in women by telling them it's easy money...
Mind you, these were not people specifically selected to be interested in these types of issues. These are just random college students out there trying to earn their rent.
Just wanted you to know... it seems like the audience is out there... Coincidentally, there is a woman out there who was watching too; not only that, she seemed to take interest in it, and in me too :). You'd be suprised to konw how many women out there who, even if they don't agree with you, are attracted to a man who is capable to stand up for himself. I'm sure she learned a thing or two also....
What we really need is a good talk show out there that caters to men. Frankly, most of the talk shows that exist are explicitly tailored for women, as they account for the large proportion of the audience.
It seems like the only men's shows out there (i.e. The Man Show, which so far as I can tell is now cancelled?) are for the most part humourous...
It would be nice to have one good serious show "by men and for men" on a good cable network station, such as ESPN, FOX, BET or some other network.
Anyone out there able to get the word out? I think the audience is there....
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The problem is that the male audience would not be reached by any show about men's issues. One of the tricks that has been played on the vast majority of men is that they are taught women are the only victims in society. Men are told they are only interested in sports, sex and beer; and this is what the vast majority believe.
Perhaps a weekly show about men's issues on a program such as this would help but then again it might just have speakers from magazines such as "Stuff" so people can dismiss any message as typical macho rhetoric.
Tony
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The reason there isn’t a serious men’s TV program is that there is no funding. There are those out there with the expertise and interest, but no cash. I’ve heard from a couple of people over the last year or so that were intending to do some cable access or short Public Service Announcements. I’ve even written a pretty good script for a custody issues spot, but it hasn’t been aired that I know of.
The audience is there, for sure. I’ve done some in-person networking the past few months, in the tech field, and every time the issues come up, we sit around and agree with each other.
It’s a matter of connecting those with the ability to DO with those with the ability to FUND.
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As far as the "Man show" is concerned, to the best of my knowledge, it was nothing more than yet another propaganda tool to further the public's stereotypical views on men.
Any one ever hear of the show "The other half"?
When that show was first going to be aired, some friends of mine were saying; "FINALY a show for MEN!" I said...; "Don't count on it."
Sure enough, this show with the mis-leading name turned out to be nothing more than three Wussy-poopie men sitting around talking about WOMEN and women's issues. So what "OTHER HALF" are they talking about? One half of a turd is still a turd!
So the only "show for men" is the "other half."
As far as a show geared towards men, is concerned, like Trudy was saying the profitability and audience is a gold-mine waiting to be tapped. But lest we forget..., The mainstream media is more concerned about social engineering, propaganda and swaying public and political oppinion to it's radical causes than it is about profit, for the most part.
TC.
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I fear there is no gold mine here. Men tend to not buy books and surely don't watch talk shows on tv. Advertisers aren't going to pay money to support a program that will not support and be adored by the majority of viewers (women). The internet is a better choice of medium at this point.
I liked Trudy's idea about PSA's. Those might just work. And could be done with no $. They are often there for the asking and to be denied a PSA would be an interesting law suit.
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I agree with Tom, the reason talk show hosts like Donahue and Oprah cater to women is because women make up the majority of the audience. Men have been conditioned NOT to be touchy-feely/communicate your feelings sort of people, so we're just not interested in "issues" shows.
Personally I (and most other guys) prefer it that way... but one could argue that we prefer it because we've BEEN conditioned... not because of any inate tendancy.
IMO at this point in time there's not enough inertia in the Mens Movement to move into mainstream media. However, the fact that Donahue chose to do this show means there's at least SOME visibility for the movement.
Perhaps this show could be thought of as a "sniffing of the wind". I believe that many of the "liberal feminist" Hollywood types are really chamelions... and they'll change their colors FAST if there's money and visibility in it.
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I do agree that a "men's issues" show might not do at all well, but I DO think that shows with segments like this one, that show up on channels that men watch frequently (like ESPNx) WILL be well-received. I especially think the Title IX issue would be a good topic for them to start out with. They don't have to advocate for either side, just present both sides of the issue (which would be refreshing in and of itself!)
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Right, Frank.
That's pretty much where I was going, with my earlier comments. You just did a better job at clarifying it, than I did. :-)
Thundercloud.
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You're pretty clear yourself, TC, but I just wanted to add my voice. You know: vote early and often, and keep counting 'til you get the result you want!
:-)
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While PSAs could get plenty of free airtime, they still cost $ to make. You need techs, actors, cameras etc. At the time my son offered to volunteer to do voiceovers, (he's a DJ at a northern AZ radio station) but neither of us have heard anything more.
I've still got that script hanging about, too.
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Hi Trudy - Good point. I was thinking of radio PSA's and hadn't even thought of TV. I don't know a thing about TV PSA's can you give me an idea about them? 15 second bursts? I don't watch much television...except for football. ;>)
Thanks
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Ideally, you'd want to have 15,30, and 60-second spots on tape to make the chances of getting on in an available time slot greater.
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I wonder if Tech TV would be a good venue....
Mostly male audience... mostly intelligent guys watching who may take interest in listening and "issue" show from start to finish.
Just a thought...
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Has anyone attempted to do a local Public Access show? Cheaper, possible to test some presentation methods and get some local response, anyway. If a number of Public Access shows got started, they could share material - kind of a "men's underground network". If you can't hit prime-time (and we can't, not yet), then aim for the grass roots, maybe. At least people will get experience and build a backlog of scripts.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 19, @12:42PM EST (#58)
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Here's one mistake in the transcript. A lady in the audiencce asked, "are as many men murdered as women, and where are you getting your statistics?"
Marc answered Department of Justice/FBI, but only FBI is mentioned in the trascript. If you search the DOJ you will find these statistics there.
Approximately 13 000 men (or is it 10,000 men) are murdered per year, approximately 4000 women and approximately 1300 children. Yes men do commit the vast majority of these murders, but they are also the vast majority of victims and have no VAMA to protect them.
At another point Allred was pointing out that most of the "child sexual molestations" are committed by men, but she failed to mention (as everyone else did) that the vast majority of "child abuse" (another category) is committed by mothers. I can't recall but I think I read that most of the "child sexual molestations" are against boys throwing another politically incorrect skew if so.
It's all in the DOJ for anyone who has the inclination to dig it all out, and we should for the record.
You'll never find these truths allowed on any mainstream network program as we are finding out. Bernard Goldberg you are so right.
Ray
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Very good job of staying cool under the fire of an hysterical bigoted female chauvinist. The sad thing is that she has any support at all. Spewing falsities and simply not responding to questions is not a fair fight. Kudos to you both for your stewardship of the truth.
Donahue was annoying and was infuriating in the beginning when Marc got cut off by the Screamer and Donahue blamed Marc. Good thing I couldn't jump through the screen. That was unfair and infuriating. I was surprised to see that Donahue had even the slightest bit of sensitivity towards the masculine side of things...I guess he needed to in order to create conflict and trouble.
I hope this is the first in a long line of appearances by Marc and Warren and the many others who will bring this message forward.
Great job!
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"Donahue was annoying and was infuriating in the beginning when Marc got cut off by the Screamer and Donahue blamed Marc. Good thing I couldn't jump through the screen. That was unfair and infuriating. I was surprised to see that Donahue had even the slightest bit of sensitivity towards the masculine side of things...I guess he needed to in order to create conflict and trouble. "
Honestly lets not forget who Donohue is here. Donahue is a talk show host and he will take whatever side butters his bread.
Like someone said women make up the larger size of the audience but the men's movement is starting to make some noise. Now the producers are doing some sampling. Its a lot like politics. The politicians who have the staying power are the ones to do the least amount for progress. Thats why we continue to recieve laws that people want and not what people need.
Politicians sit back and wait for the smoke to clear when they are clear on what the market is, they start to speak up.
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Dan, Well said.
I hadn't quite thought about it in those terms.
Thanks.
TC.
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Damn! I wish I knew someone on the production side of this show. It would be exceedingly useful to know what, if any, INTERNAL discussions this show generated. If nothing else, it would be interesting to see all the email that floated in after the fact. Even if it wasn't much more than usual, I'm sure it had it's empassioned commentary.
Marc, Warren, Peter: do you guys have any privileges in this regard, having appeared on the show?
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" DONAHUE: Well, thank you all. Thank you. You may not be surprised to know that we have run out of time. Let’s just understand that women are making more and more noise, and much of it is for the benefit of our society as a whole."
These are the last words of the show, basically leaving it up to women to push for "equal rights" blah blah blah.
But I will have to admit that Phil did happen to let the men do some talking and gave them greater exposure regardless. Now Im left wonder if the saying "There is no such thing as bad press" is true or not.
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I agree Dan. The show was definitely set up to have Warren and Marc fall on their face. Everything from the title of the show, "Are women getting a free ride" to the generally unsympathetic attitude that Donahue showed toward the male speakers/issues (remember the "poor baby" comments he laughed about?) set up men's issues to be laughed at and dismissed. Marc and Warren did an excellent job of taking every attempt at shifting the focus to a feminist agenda back to how men are treated. It was a great lesson in not only refuting the misinformation that feminist propaganda touts but emphasizing how men suffer.
Take note in how Marc recognized the lawyer speech tactics of the femlaywer and shut her down.
This was a great step forward in the men's rights movement!
Tony
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I disagree. Although I found him rude and thought that the title and his actions were slanted towards Allred (cutting off Marc and Warren and allowing Allrude to interupt and badger) I still think that he was pro-male in some important ways. First, he had the man there who was a single parent and had been discriminated against due to his gender by the welfare mob. This made Allred look stupid and exposed her hatred in her inability to acknowledge this man's pain and her insistence to turn it around into a women's issue. I felt that this was a definite turning point in the audience reaction. Secondly he had the football team there in their jerseys and they were surely pro-male in their position. Thirdly he allowed the NY president of NCFM to speak from the audience. I am not defending Donahue, just pointing out that he was not completely against us or against all masculine issues.
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I see your point but I regard this as camoflage. Donahue is walking a ratings tightrope, and he cannot afford to be cast as an extremist, on EITHER side. It was clear to me that he took Allred's side in most of the cases I watched, and never himself questioned her position. In my estimation, he had liitle choice BUT to allow them their sahre of the forum, but he did so begrudgingly.
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by Anonymous User on Friday December 20, @01:14PM EST (#78)
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Agreed. Phil Donahue should be commended for inviting mens rights activists on his show. OK, so he did what he could to prevent them expressing their views. If he had done otherwise, his career would be finished.
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Allred look stupid and exposed her hatred in her inability to acknowledge this man's pain and her insistence to turn it around into a women's issue. I felt that this was a definite turning point in the audience reaction.
I was also pleasantly surprised when Phil permitted this male plant to discuss the discrimination and oppression of males in social services (i.e. welfare). Gloria did come across like a complete male-hating bigot in her response.
Gloria Allred literally tried to make men out to be at fault for women being on welfare. You know. It was the men are evil and get women pregnant, and men should be giving women more child support money so they don't have to go on welfare. It is all the fault of men that women are on welfare. Men are evil because they don’t turn over all their money to women on welfare. The women are on welfare because the evil men don’t pay child support. Women are oppressed by men and deserve special welfare privileges to correct past wrongs…blah…blah….blah….blah….blah. Whaaaaaa!!!!! I thought she was going to come unglued with that fact.
For male-hating Gloria, the idea of a woman getting a job was just too much. How dare men demand that women work! Why don't men know that women are entitled to a free ride? Gees. Image a culture where women with children actually had to get a job. How evil! How dare those men's activist suggest that women get a free ride and oppress men!
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Gloria was her own worst enemy here. She would be bitching about so many different things that eventually she started tripping herself up on the issues.
She's be saying that women don't need men then she'd bitch that men aren't staying around to raise their children. I mean huh?!?! So which is it?
The one thing I have noticed about feminists and really just human nature in general is this.
First they resort to alleged facts or false stats, then its a 'you hate women' deal, then its the tears and after all that the shouting starts. When shouting doesn't work things become violent.
All we have to do is hold out until the violence begins and all their other bogus methods of persuasion have been exhausted then wala.
This is how I think it is. Please feel free to ad to or expand my line here.
1. lies
2. tears
3. accusations
4. shouting
5. physical violence(with either direct or indirect methods)
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by Anonymous User on Saturday December 21, @02:27AM EST (#82)
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Dan writes:
1. lies
2. tears
3. accusations
4. shouting
5. physical violence(with either direct or indirect methods)
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HAHA! It's good to hear from you again, Dan. Seems you took a break for awhile? It's nice to have you back...
-hobbes
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Warble wrote;
(("For male-hateing Gloria, the idea of a woman getting a job was just too much. How dare men demand that women work!"))
Okay, okay, Wait just a minuet.
Now, wasn't it not too long ago that women were saying "Men are evil!" because men DIDN'T want women to work...?
But now "Men are evil!" because we DO want them to work?!!?? These feminists can't even keep their own agenda straight!!
Okay, Gloria, why don't you go take your medication, or go have a cup of coffee with some cream in it, or SOMETHING, I don't know...!
Thundercloud.
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Fellows, if you're listening, I am not happy with the way that sellout punkass Donahue and that superbitch attorney Gloria Allred treated Farrell, Allemano, and Angelucci!!! I mean the way that Donahue cut in whenever these three men were trying to make some important points, was disgustingly disrespectful...Which leads me to bring me to making this point,
To the feminist men and women,
Right now, you may have made total shitheads of Farrell, Angelucci, and Allemano, as well as the other activists, but let me tell you something now, one of these days, this men's movement is going to be bigger and better than ever, and it is going to turn focus away from the filthy whorehouse of feminism; furthermore, it is going to be feminist-free, meaning no feminsts allowed, or in another sense, "Femmes, go home and stay home!!!!" If a fellow can spare a moment of his time, and listen to these words...then he must look at himself, stand up for his own sake of masculinity and peace of mind, and say to a feminist, "Look woman, I don't fucking care if you are an equity, individualist, radical, militant, or just a plain cheap two-dollar feminist, you have caused us enough pain, heartache, and guilt, trying to seduce the shit out of this movement with the way you handle the issues and using them as a weapon to annihilate our maleness, masculinity, and male population!
We are so goddamn sick and tired of smartass ways with the whole sexual-harassment-rape-domestic-violence bomb scare, thinking that you want to stop this shit at another's expense...because of that, I, as well as the other men are gonna stand up to you and your fucking femmes and say ENOUGH!!!!"
In addition, you men should say:
We are not going to let you make fools, criminals, and anaesthetically speaking, plastic dildos of us.
We are not going to give in to your crime and abuse blowjobs!
We are not going to be taken advantage of with your post-feminist-Titanic-women-and-children-first-or- die-chauvinistic-chivalry...
We are not going to put up with your false allegation bullshit...
We are not going to tolerate the way your rape-crisis and domestic-violence movements discriminate against, disrespect, and double-standardize victims and perpetrators of abuse for your own SEX-AND-THE-CITY pleasure, especially if there are men...
We are not going to let you overtake or destroy our men's only clubs, schools, and organizations as well as finger-fucking our innocences and consciences with your sexual harassment liability bullshit...
We are not going to let you play the justice system, by gang-banging and raping the father of his parenthood and his job as nurturing and helping his children grow. All the goddamn child-support money in the world cannot separate a loving parent and his/her child apart...
We are not going to let your female-domination black cloud overtake our movement for your enjoyment, and turn our movement into pathetic powerless bitchcunts who let these so called feminsts walk over them...
We are not going to abuse our sons with the "don't hit a girl...or don't get hit by a girl or your a stupid wuss and not a man" shit...
Lastly, we are not going to let you backstab or sellout on us when you are supposed to be helping us defend the male-half of our gender equality.
When we want your fucking help, ladies, in this movement, we'll ask for it! Don't you dare try to bully us with that "ladies can be men's activists too" as that bastardizing "I am woman, hear me roar"!
In my own words, when I meant that "I don't trust that woman speech", I meant a woman who is going to do a 360 on this movement and anaesthetically rape us all and disrespect our causes!
And to you male-feminist sellouts and fake masculists, don't you push us around and make us into a bunch of fucking pussies and then diss us like dirty diapers saying: "for all the shit you did, you deserve the worst".
To conclude repeatedly, If you do not like our movement, do not like what we stand for, or want to help us improve gender relations by creating an unbreakable stronghold for the male half of equality as well as the stronghold for the female half, and the spot inbetween, then heed these words...
GET THE F--- OUT!!!!!!!!!!
And I have no more to say...
Honestly brutal, but sincerely yours,
Emmanuel Matteer Jnr.
Emanslave@aol.com
*****MASCULISM IS A BLACK MALE'S BEST FRIEND!!!!!*****
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 19, @08:24PM EST (#68)
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Marc/Warren/Peter/NCFM, congratulations for being such effective voices for honesty, decency, and equity. Men-haters know nothing about love. Women who want men as inferior beings know nothing about love.
Men's activists -- back the best environment for love. Rock on!!!!
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