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Wendy McElroy exposes feminism's "urban legends"
posted by Brad on Thursday November 14, @08:33PM
from the Inequality dept.
Inequality FoxNews has recently commented on an article by Wendy McElroy that elaborates on how feminism destroys the lives of people who dare to contradict it.
[T]he media should stop treating slander as though it was a counter-argument. When men who question feminist data are bashed as batterers, reporters should demand hard evidence for this criminal charge.

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Wendy, how can we ever thank you... (Score:1)
by ppmnow (ppm_now@hotmail.com) on Thursday November 14, @09:32PM EST (#1)
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for being so honest and even handed in your column? I think it's time to give a donation to ifeminist.com. Gentlemen, care to join me?

If only more people in the media and politics were like you...

Mitchell A. Smith

"An ambiguous perspective is all you can hope for when initially confronted by that which you do not know."
Feminist talaban. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday November 14, @11:54PM EST (#2)
President George W. Bush has stated that he is going to attack, and put a stop to ALL forms of terrorism.
My "New world Dictionary" defines terrorism by the following:
1. the act of terrorizeing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate and subjugate, esp. such use as a political weapon or policy. 2. to coerce, make submit as by use or threat of violence.

Now, From what all of us here know about, and what Wendy has expirienced with the NOW and rad-fems in general, It is obvious that the rad-fems are by definition TERRORISTS.
My question is; would President Bush include groups like the N.O.W. and other like-minded rad-fems in his commitment to end terrorism?
OR, does he refer to only 'politicaly IN-correct' terrorists??
In my humble oppinion, It should be ALL or NOTHING.

        Thundercloud.
          "Hoka-hey!"
I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday November 15, @03:25PM EST (#3)
I was a victim of a vindictive lying 'ex' who used the system to attack me when the relationship went wrong. As usual, I spent days in jail waiting for pretrial and such. It became obvious during her testimony she was inconstant and that she changed her story from what she told the police. Naturally, my lawyer and the DA 'settled' with a continued without a finding and some probation (like I should be thankful or something???).

Anyhow, here is where I need the help:

A week ago, her feminist friends ran a "generic" story about the local courthouse, and used my case for subject in it and used pictures of me in chains at the courthouse in it!!!!!! I am a local businessman! They only presented fabricated emotional parts of her story and I look like a monster in it. And they conclude the article by saying I have a two year probation...for now!!!

Can they do this in MA? It is a sick ad-hominem attack on me with the intent of denigrating me to the area I live in and make a living out of and it will leave an Internet presence goimg into the future...

I need advice. Even for a good lawyer in these matters in MA. She couldn't keep me locked up so they ruin me in the public's eye.


Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Friday November 15, @03:56PM EST (#4)
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I am a local businessman! They only presented fabricated emotional parts of her story and I look like a monster in it. And they conclude the article by saying I have a two year probation...for now!!!

Unfortunately, they can do this in MA, and the practice is widespread throughout the U.S. For example, in Colorado they have shout-at-your-spouse-loose-your-house laws. That means that if a man raises his voice and the domestic partner dials 911 then the man will go to jail and be found guilty of domestic violence. Next, there is an ex-parte restraining order issued for free.

The shelters provide all of the counseling necessary to inform the female on how to make the false allegations of domestic violence, rape, child molestation, and more. There is even a state paid feminist advocate at the court waiting to help her fill out the complaint so that the man will be destroyed. Then he will be found guilty and forced to do some jail time and attend DV training all at his expense. If there is exonerating evidence then the police are literally trained to suppress the evidence and cover it up. They are literally trained to believe it is irrelevant.

NCFM, LA has an advisory out on this in our resources section. We are warning the public every chance we get. Unfortunately, there is still a great deal of apathy from men, and they do not believe this can happen to them until after the fact. Many men and rad-fems believe we are whiners and actually become quite hostile against us. Then when they are on the other side of a jail cell they become instant converts.

The good news is that the tide is changing. Men are beginning to realize that this does happen to innocent males. There are literally 100’s of thousands of men that have been legally railroaded with false charges and bogus laws. So, there is a change taking place because people such as yourself are taking a stand and speaking out, and when they speak out our organizations are supporting them. Therefore, we encourage you to fight back by joining a men’s rights group. If you cannot be an activist that’s okay, just being a member helps. It’s all about numbers and belonging to a group that is fighting back.

Warble


Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:2)
by Thomas on Friday November 15, @04:13PM EST (#5)
(User #280 Info)
I need advice. Even for a good lawyer in these matters in MA.

Try Barbara C. Johnson, Advocate of Court Reform and Attorney at Law
barbaracjohnson@worldnet.att.net.

I don't mean to kick you while you're down, but I'm wondering. Before this happened to you, were you active in the fight against gender feminism? One of the problems men's rights activists have is that most men won't stand up to the oppression until they become its victims. Whatever the outcome of your current dilemma, if you're not already a men's rights activist, it's time you became one.
Re: response, and thanks (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday November 15, @04:58PM EST (#7)

First off, my problem is because the local paper ran the story just to attack me, and now it is lingering on all the search engines. I am the only person named in the article, everyone else in it was just mentioned as a defendant. 50% of the article was about my case with me in chains in the picture. The article was presented as a 'day in the life' general interest type of thing on the front page. But the reporter covered several of my court appearances over time, and this contradicts the interest and purpose of what the article is supposed to be about.

Is this legal? At least I would like to have my name removed from the online article so it will stop being the #1 search result when people are looking for my business.

They know that this article is hitting me 'where it hurts' and the whole article is a sham. They tried to indict me on charges that the evidence (or lack of) did not support...and now they are attacking my reputation. The whole system, the police, the court, the jailhouse, the feminist victim advocate and the press (who where at my hearing because the local feminists were ‘on my case’).

This story was not part of a police log, and it was published 3 months after the pretrial. Everyone has seen it... what can I do? I will post a link after my lawyer says it's OK. I can't be too careful as I do have a 90 day mandatory sentence hanging over my head.


Re: response, and thanks (Score:1)
by Dan Lynch (dan047@sympatico.ca) on Friday November 15, @05:30PM EST (#8)
(User #722 Info) http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.htm
"Is this legal? At least I would like to have my name removed from the online article so it will stop being the #1 search result when people are looking for my business. "

If I were you I would find a way to legally slander them and hope they try to sue you. Then retaliate with a counter suit and suck them dry.

Other than that now you know that men all over the world are being fuked by the systemic discrimination. Stop donating your money to the United Way and any other organization that promotes feminist agenda. Start speaking out for your rights as an individual.

If you are smart enough you can put a spin on this so it will do well for your business, it will take time and thought and a bit of risk, but I say, go for the jugular.
.

Dan Lynch
Re: response, and thanks (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Friday November 15, @05:36PM EST (#9)
(User #643 Info)
Is this legal? At least I would like to have my name removed from the online article so it will stop being the #1 search result when people are looking for my business.

I have read of court cases West's Business Law where a newspaper covered a gormet resturaunt. Then they happened to find a cockroach and the coverage turned into a show that unduly defamed the business. The newspaper lost the suit because it was malicious reporting.

You may have a case of malicious reporting. But I'm not an attorney and cannot advise you on the matter. Further, make no mistake. You are now a casualty of the gender war. If the account that you are telling is accurate then you are a victim of false allegations. But to answer the question you will need a good business attorney.

The fact remains that but for the false allegations, the activism of the local feminist male-hate groups, and the continued activities of your wife to defame you that this coverage would not have happened.

Yes the newspaper may be at fault, but so is your wife and the feminists. The best thing to do now is lay low. You are in the grips of a feminist media war. You are not the first, and the odds of fighting back are not good. We see this stuff all of the time.

The big mistake was taking a plea. In my opinion, a man should never take a plea unless they know they are guilty. If the attorney won't fight then get another attorney because you most likely have a male-feminist attorney or a conservative chivalrous attorney that believes in sacrificing the rights of men at a women’s whim. A man should not ever settle when they have money, and you know that you are innocent. Ever!

But that is all hindsight now. You are not the first casualty of this war. You will not be the last. You are wise to hang low. But if after all this blows over you fail to join and financially support a men's activist group then you will become a part of the problem. Men don’t like having to admit that they are victims because it denotes weakness, but if they continue to remain silent then the hidden casualties of this war will continue to spread.

Warble


Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
Re: response, and thanks (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday November 15, @05:52PM EST (#12)

I joined the local CPC Fatherhood goup today.

From what I read here, I guess I can do nothing/little about the malicious libel that has occured...right?

sorry for the anonymous status right now. I am just afraid. I am afraid to go to anyplace where I live as if I run into her I'm thrown back into the slammer. I'm afraid if they link anything from me to her they will do it again....


Re: response, and thanks (Score:2)
by Thomas on Friday November 15, @06:14PM EST (#13)
(User #280 Info)
From what I read here, I guess I can do nothing/little about the malicious libel that has occured...right?

One more time...
Try Barbara C. Johnson, Advocate of Court Reform and Attorney at Law
barbaracjohnson@worldnet.att.net.
Re: response, and thanks (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Saturday November 16, @02:38AM EST (#22)
(User #643 Info)
I joined the local CPC Fatherhood goup today.

Good job! Hopefully, the group is active in lobbying the legislature for more male friendly laws. We all wish the best to you.

Also, you are able to create a handle on this site and still remain anonymous. Just use fictitious information. If you do use real information Scott can be trusted to keep is confidential and loose it if necessary.

Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
Re: response, and thanks (Score:2)
by Thomas on Friday November 15, @05:50PM EST (#11)
(User #280 Info)
Again, try Barbara C. Johnson, Advocate of Court Reform and Attorney at Law
barbaracjohnson@worldnet.att.net.

If she's not the right person for the case, she may be able to recommend someone who is. She is very opposed to gender feminism, knows of the anti-male discrimination in the courts, and fights for court reform.

She also, as a matter of fact, just ran for governor of Massachusetts. She was a strong enough candidate that, though she wasn't nominated by either the Republicans or the Democrats, she was allowed to participate in one of the public debates. According to some, she earned near folk hero status by doing so.
Re: response, and thanks (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday November 15, @06:16PM EST (#14)
Is this legal? At least I would like to have my name removed from the online article so it will stop being the #1 search result when people are looking for my business.

If the article is factual, it is legal. If cameras are allowed in the courtroom, and they take pictures of you chained, then they are allowed to run them. They are also allowed to run them if they took them while you were being brought INTO the courthouse (the photo was taken out in public).

I understand your pain. I wouldn't want my name to end up in the engines like that. Unfortunately, unless they fabricated parts of the article, you have few options.

Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:1)
by ppmnow (ppm_now@hotmail.com) on Friday November 15, @04:51PM EST (#6)
(User #1071 Info)
You do have recourse if you can prove slander. She can say all she wants about you from her emotional perspective, but she can't fabricate details about you.

Mitchell A. Smith
"An ambiguous perspective is all you can hope for when initially confronted by that which you do not know."
Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Friday November 15, @05:44PM EST (#10)
(User #643 Info)
I was a victim of a vindictive lying 'ex' who used the system to attack me when the relationship went wrong.

B.T.W. Welcome to the ranks of the 100's of thousands of innocent men that are casualties of the well organized feminist gender war against men. Now you know how easily a wife’s false allegations can screw a man. Spread the word everywhere. Men must find out. You will be surprise at the number of men around you that are also casualties of this war and the number of men who stand in the open waiting to take a bullet. Yet the bodies of the casualties of this ware literally litter the landscape.

Warble

Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:1)
by Dan Lynch (dan047@sympatico.ca) on Friday November 15, @08:58PM EST (#19)
(User #722 Info) http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.htm
"You will be surprise at the number of men around you that are also casualties of this war and the number of men who stand in the open waiting to take a bullet. Yet the bodies of the casualties of this war literally litter the landscape"

What amazes me is the amount of men who after being ruined by their 'ex's' and an unfair justice system still support the rulings against other men in the same boat.

Thats right men who have been ruined and know what its like still play the 'hero' and do nothing to protect other men.

If you are on juries and know how its done, find the man not guilty by reason of unjust law.

Secondly, anon who had his life ruined. Stand for something or fall for nothing. No one is asking you to go near the bitch, but always be aware of witnesses and never go see her if she 'calls you or envites you over'. Take time to dig up dirt on those slanderous bitches.

Secondly don't be afraid to tell your story and tell it out loud. Go tell a priest even if you're not catholic go tell a rabbi if your not jewish. Call a suicide hotline even if you're not suicidal. TELL EVERYONE!!!! that you were wronged. Also keep all your files in proper order and continue to find evidence that will exhonerate you are diminish your accusers credibillity, you may never know when you will need it. Learn the law and be prepared.

Do not take my advice lightly. Continue to look for lawyers that know what they are doing. So basically those few hours you spend a night watching shitty television, now you spend them learning the law. This is your life and your rights are hitting closer to zero faster than you think.
.
Dan Lynch
Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Saturday November 16, @01:14AM EST (#20)
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If you are on juries and know how its done, find the man not guilty by reason of unjust law.

I've been called to do jury duty again for the second time this year. I'll most likely be just put on call and never actually serve. However, if it is a false accusation case then I pray to be permitted to free the innocent male.

Unfortunately, I have too much education. Attorneys hate that in America because it means that I cannot be manipulated. Worse, if they learn of my activism they'll certainly through me off. The chance of my actually getting on a jury is one in a billion.

But who knows? Maybe my lotto number is up, and I can free an innocent male who is the victim of law enforcement suppressing all exonerating evidence. It truly makes me sick that these law enforcement officials are trained to suppress all exonerating evidence and use hearsay to convict a man simply because of his sexual organs.

Warble

Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
Why Ever Serve on a Jury? I Tell Them Upfront! (Score:1)
by Ray on Saturday November 16, @12:48PM EST (#23)
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Warble:

This is only my personal opinion, but in my own special way I refuse to ever serve on a jury, and living in L.A. I get called all the time. The last time I was called, within a few hours I was sent to a court room with 30 other people. When we were sworn in as a panel I stood along with the other 30. When we were sworn in we all said, "yes." If anyone had said no they would have been held in contempt of court, I believe.

After we all said yes, the other 29 sat down, but I briefly remained standing and immediately said "under duress" and then sat down too. The judge then asked what duress I was under. I said "There is an intimidating officer over there with a gun and I would be fined or jailed if I did not show up and serve jury duty. I just want you to know that I am not serving of my own free will, but under duress."

When I do this again I'm going to add, "duress, because of the completely prejudiced and bigoted treatment of men by the legal system." I also told the judge that I had no confidence in any aspect of her legal system at all, and that it embraced principals of Nazism. Needless to say, I was excused.

Why serve? The whole thing is so corrupt your presence doesn't matter any way. I just figured I'd get it over with and stop wasting my time participating in a jury system that does not recognize the U.S. constitution or the rights of men.

The judge lectured me on the duty to serve on a jury, but my answer to that is, "Where the legal system tramples on my constitutional rights to equally justice under the law, then it is there at that point that my duty to ever serve on any jury ends. As long as any man is so egregiously and hatefully discriminated against in Los Angeles and the rest of the United States as they are today, then I will only serve on a panel or jury under duress, and I will be the judge of what just and unjust laws are and not you."

It is great that you are willing to "nullify the jury," because of unjust laws used against a man, but they ask all panel members in the voir dire phase of jury selection if they would make their judgements based on the laws and not on their own understanding of right and wrong, therefore I don't think you will ever honestly wind up on a trial.

Very Truly Yours, Ray
Re:Why Ever Serve on a Jury? I Tell Them Upfront! (Score:1)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Sunday November 17, @08:04AM EST (#27)
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but they ask all panel members in the voir dire phase of jury selection if they would make their judgements based on the laws and not on their own understanding of right and wrong, therefore I don't think you will ever honestly wind up on a trial.

When push comes to shove, decision after decision has affirmed the right of a jury to judge the law as well as the defendant. There was a recent push for a referendum somewhere that kmandated not the right to do so, but would have ordered the jury to be informed of their right. Extremely telling language.

The upshot is that this is an illegal and unconstitutional question that you are under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to answer truthfully. In fact, you are being asked if you will willingly check your brain and conscience at the door, and rubber stamp the state's proceedings.

In my view, it's a civic duty to do what one can to get on a jury and vote your conscience on such things. I've long said that freedom is best kept in three boxes, that of the ballot box, jury box, and ammo box. If one wishes to turn away the day where you have to open the ammo box, a vigourous exercise of the other two is necessary.

---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
Re:Why Ever Serve on a Jury? I Tell Them Upfront! (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Sunday November 17, @01:03PM EST (#29)
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In fact, you are being asked if you will willingly check your brain and conscience at the door, and rubber stamp the state's proceedings.

My point exactly. The fact remains that I have an excellent idea of which laws are legal. So, I can answer that I will make a judgment in accordance with the law.

Just because something is the law does not make it a legal law. States are the most notorious for making illegal laws that violate civil rights. In fact I know of several DV laws that are illegal and unconstitutional.

Warb

Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Saturday November 16, @02:33AM EST (#21)
(User #643 Info)
Do not take my advice lightly. Continue to look for lawyers that know what they are doing. So basically those few hours you spend a night watching shitty television, now you spend them learning the law. This is your life and your rights are hitting closer to zero faster than you think.

AU,

You would be wise to take this advice. It is more valuable then can be realized at this moment. AU, whether you like it or not, you have now entered into a literal gender war. You can be a wimp and become pussified, or you can be a real man and fight back.

Also, get a friend to obtain the law enforcement-training manual on domestic violence. You may even get lucky and find it on the Internet. They are quite bold about publishing their pro-arrest policies. In fact, they are down right proud because it pleases radical feminist.

For example, here is a rape investigation-training manual that teaches male-hate investigation and arrest techniques (requires Microsoft Word to view):

"Successfully Investigating Acquaintance Sexual Assault: A National Training Manual for Law Enforcement"

Developed by the National Center for Women & Policing, with support provided by the
Violence Against Women Office, Office of Justice Programs (Grant #97-WE-VX-K004)


This is a rape investigation manual that is intended to be used Nationally. The astute reader will find it to be one of the most biased pro-arrest male-hate manuals in America. Its assumptions of the need to create this manual are based on the false conclusions reached by Professor Mary Koss at UCLA.

Glenn Sacks notes, " As I explained in three Daily Bruin articles (3/8/99, 4/13/99, and 11/9/99), the famous 1 in 4 figure comes from a 1985 survey by feminist Mary Koss which was sponsored by Ms. magazine. I wrote to Koss (12/3/99) and while she still defended her work she herself confirmed for me that her rape/attempted rape figure includes women who were not in any way forced to have sex but instead had sexual intercourse when [they] didn't want to because a man gave [them] alcohol or drugs.'"

To illustrate, how this false statistic was used to create male-hate arrest laws, the reader must make a careful study of this manual. It reveals that there is a toxicologist referenced in the manual. The toxicologist performed due diligence in making certain that a table was included that listed the side effects of alcohol. Nevertheless, there was a complete omission of any information that would train the officers on the side effects of ecstasy (GHB) or Rohypnol. This is a serious and inexcusable omission.

Here is why. The side effects of Rohypnol follow:

Less common
Anxiety; confusion (may be more common in the elderly); fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat; lack of memory of events taking place after benzodiazepine is taken (may be more common with triazolam); mental depression

Rare
Abnormal thinking, including disorientation, delusions (holding false beliefs that cannot be changed by facts), or loss of sense of reality; agitation; behavior changes, including aggressive behavior, bizarre behavior, decreased inhibition, or outbursts of anger; convulsions (seizures); hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there); hypotension (low blood pressure); muscle weakness; skin rash or itching; sore throat, fever, and chills; trouble in sleeping; ulcers or sores in mouth or throat (continuing); uncontrolled movements of body, including the eyes; unusual bleeding or bruising; unusual excitement, nervousness, or irritability; unusual tiredness or weakness (severe); yellow eyes or skin.


Here are the side effects of Xyrem (GHB):

The most common side effects of Xyrem® are nausea, dizziness, headache, sleep problems, confusion, vomiting, and bed-wetting. Tell your doctor if you develop these less common but possibly serious side effects: sleepwalking (confused behavior during the night that may include walking around and doing other activities while not aware of what you are doing), increased sleepiness during the day, snoring, you stop breathing for a short time while you sleep (sleep apnea), breathing problems, depression, and abnormal thinking.

Among toxicologists, it is common knowledge that as the intended safe dosage of a drug is exceeded that the presence of the side effects increase. This is like alcohol. One beer has minimal side effects. A case of beer that is rapidly guzzled can lead to death from alcohol poisoning.

Now notice in the manual how the suspected rape victim is painted in the light of somebody that the law enforcement sympathize with, and I agree that there should be a certain sympathy for an "actual" rape victim. Nevertheless, where there is a victim that has voluntarily abused a drug(s) that sympathy is inappropriate except when much stronger evidence reveals an actual rape.

Further, there is a plausible story line of how a male might use alcohol to rape a victim, yet there is a complete absence of any balance in presenting a female story line where she voluntarily consumes a fruit punch cocktail and then seduces the male. Only one view is presented. The absence of a balancing counter story is in it self is bigoted. It presumes that if any male shares an illegal drug with a woman that he must have intended to rape her. That of course is absurd.

Also, notice the following statement that states:

If the victim says that she voluntarily used alcohol or drugs and indicates that her assailant took advantage of her vulnerability, the successful investigator will therefore frame her use of alcohol, or other drugs, as corroborative evidence. This evidence should therefore serve as a way to support rather than challenge the victim’s credibility.

Woha! Hold on a minute. If the victim took the drugs she may have "Abnormal thinking, including disorientation, delusions (holding false beliefs that cannot be changed by facts), or loss of sense of reality; ...hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there).”

What did that say? HALLUCINATIONS!?!? What the hell is this? The officer is to "...frame her use of alcohol, or other drugs, as corroborative evidence!" So, clearly the female may hallucinate a rape, and the officer is supposed to accept her admission of taking a narcotic as evidence that the woman making the claim was raped. Am I the only one, or does anybody else see something wrong with this picture? This is only one example of what the Koss male hate statistics have led to.

Further, the training manual also advises the officer to tell the woman that they are to take the woman’s view and assume that she has been in fact raped when it states, “I know that this question is difficult to answer and I want you to know I am only asking you this question to get a clear picture of all the facts in this case. I am very sorry about what has happened to you and I do not think that you are responsible for what happened. Any questions I may ask regarding possible drug use by yourself and the offender serve only to better my understanding of what happened and will help me investigate and corroborate your case.”

So, when a woman claims that she has voluntarily abused a drug and claims she was raped that person is to assume that there was in fact a rape. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? That’s gone bro!

Then there is the issue that the woman abused the drug and may have in fact been responsible for seducing the male. Clearly, this would mean that the female should be criminally prosecuted for felony drug abuse. Yet the officer is advised to promise there will be no charges pressed for the admission when it states, "It is imperative that the officer informs the victim that this inquiry is not to establish any kind of blame and that the officer is not going to arrest the victim for illegal drug use."

Give me a break! There is a rape investigation where the woman voluntarily abuses a narcotic. That drug then creates serious side effects that include hallucinations or a state of a sleep walking like trance.

In addition, the woman could have easily lost her inhibitions and sought to seduce any male, and because there is a side affect of, "...delusions (holding false beliefs that cannot be changed by facts), or loss of sense of reality..." the female will insist on the rape regardless of any exonerating evidence and facts. Yet she is not to be held criminally liable if there is no physical evidence of an actual rape! In fact, they can claim that the man wore a condom and that because she believes she was raped that there was in fact a rape.

The result is a false arrest using male-hate investigations and arrest procedures that were created because of false male-hate statistics. These same sorts of lies can be found in the domestic violence training manuals. Radical feminists have used similar statistical lies to justify these male-hate based arrest procedures in false accusations of child abuse, domestic violence, stalking, and more. They also done the same thing using these male-hate statistics to severely undermine basic constitutional protections. The result is an epidemic of the false arrests of males. Clearly, there is a gender war being waged against men and men have been getting their asses handed to them on a platter! AU would be wise to hear the wake-up call.

Warble


Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
Re:thanks again (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Saturday November 16, @03:47PM EST (#24)

I am meeting a men's group next week. I intend to try and sue the newspaper because there is enough probable/obvious cause within the article itself to prove it is specifically attacking me and denigrating my name, and no one else’s. I need a good lawyer...a very good one.

I have been "Scarlet Lettered" by the search engines and I do believe it will affect my business and personal life in the future.

I am a victim of a crazy lying ex, a corrupt system that tried hard to lock me up without any evidence, denied me bail for 10 days, then the local media published a "benign" article about the court system front page, but it was all about me.
 
I do not take these things lightly. I am looking into law schools too.

...Stay tuned, I am a very effective person.


Re:thanks again (Score:1)
by Ray on Sunday November 17, @03:50AM EST (#25)
(User #873 Info)
You are not alone by yourself. "We stand alone together." Take courage in the company of those Brave Men who are with you drawing the line and saying to the radical feminists all across America, "Not one damnable step further."

Best Wishes,
Ray
Re:thanks again (Score:1)
by Ray on Sunday November 17, @04:06AM EST (#26)
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What a gross omission on my part! My apologies. Make that "Brave Men and Women." It's couragous women like Wendy, Trudy, Dianna and others that have helped us men to be further along in our struggles than we would otherwise be without them.

What a personal blessing they are to me, having helped in lifting the burden of being a woman hater from my bitter heart, through displaying fairness and honesty to men in their writing and other work. God Bless 'em.
Ray
Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:1)
by Dr Evil on Sunday November 17, @10:05AM EST (#28)
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Oh my. Here's the quote from this "manual":

    I am very sorry about what has happened to you and I do not think that you are responsible for what happened. Any questions I may ask regarding possible drug use by yourself and the offender serve only to better my understanding of what happened and will help me investigate and corroborate your case.”



This is the radical feminists dream and I can't believe our police dapartments have bought this crap. "I am very sorry about what has happened to you" is collusion that is masquerading as compassion. Compassion is simply treating people with respect and sensitivity to their present emotional state. It has nothing to do with agreeing with their version of recent reality. The police need to be compassionate with all people whether they are the suspected victim or the suspected perpetrator but to align oneself with the story of either one is collusion and is obviously giving official encouragement for their story and behavior. Do they also tell the alleged perpetrator that they are sorry for what has happened to him and that they don't think he is responsible for what happened? Of course not. This is one sided collusion. It sucks.

In essence the cops are firstly agreeing with her version of the story and overtly agreeing that she is a victim. Then they say I don't think you are responsible for what has happened to you! How the hell can they say that? Do they say the same thing to the accused? OMG! This is the feminists dream! Women are, by default, innocent and helpless victims. The police have in their manuals that women are to be treated like innocent victims automatically! They are relying on the good will and chivalry of the police to forward their agenda. It's gonna take us a while to weed this crap out of our system. Unbelieveable.

Stand Your Ground
Re:I need advice relating to this. Please help... (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Sunday November 17, @01:15PM EST (#30)
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Women are, by default, innocent and helpless victims. The police have in their manuals that women are to be treated like innocent victims automatically! They are relying on the good will and chivalry of the police to forward their agenda. It's gonna take us a while to weed this crap out of our system. Unbelieveable.

You are quite right. This is the single most alarming development that has taken place as a result of the male-hate tactics of radical feminists. These bigoted male-hate pro-arrest documents are every city, county, state, and federal government training manual that addresses issues of domestic violence, rape, child abuse, and more. It's no wonder that we have epidemic proportions of men being arrested under false accusations.

What is really sick is that the police are dumb enough to enforce these laws and follow these investigative/arrest procedures. I don not believe it is an exaggeration to state that they are literally enemies of the public because they follow illegal laws and guidelines in conducting investigations and making arrests.

What is really sad is that the poor men who have no resources cannot possibly defend themselves against such an attack by a bigoted investigation. It is impossible for them to plea innocent because the defender has no resources to fight on his behalf. So, they are railroaded into taking a plea when they are clearly innocent. This must be stopped!

Warble

Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
MA (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday November 15, @06:20PM EST (#15)
Massachusetts POLICE-STATE domestic violence polices revalidated

"... uncorroborated statements by a victim can constitute probable cause that the crime occuurred."

"...a victim who is under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or who suffers from mental illness, is not an inherently unreliable witness."

"...it is not unusual for an abuser to display a calm demeanor following a violent assault."

"Dual arrests, like the issuance of mutual restraining orders, are strongly discouraged because they trivialize the seriousness of domestic abuse and increase danger to victims"

Wear It as a Badge of Honor! (Score:1)
by Ray on Friday November 15, @08:08PM EST (#17)
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Dear Anonymous:
It breaks my heart every time I hear another story such as yours. There are so many now.

I'm in a little different situation in life than you, but bascially the same thing happened to me so I told everyone about what happened to me, including people at church and little children who want to know what all those bumper stickers on the back of my car mean. Kindly and lovingly I tell them about the great, great evil of radical feminism. They comprehend a whole lot more of what I'm saying than you could ever imagine.

I plaster my car with bumper stickers such as GENDER PROFILING IS HATE CRIME, etc. I write lots of letters. Our numbers are growing and still more and more victims like us are being created every day. Don't give up fight back within the system. Find support in other men's groups like Menactivism, NCFM, Father's groups, anyone or any group that opposses radical feminists (the enemy of my enemy is my friend).

We are all with you, if it's any consolation. Five years ago when my ordeal began there was virtually nothing. Now there is much, much more. Fight on, your injustice at the hands of the feminist is mark of honor and integrity in my eyes. I salute your courage to tell us about your ordeal and I respect you a million times more than those barbaric animals who did this to you.

You are now officially initiated into our honorable group with all the pain and suffering that has brought you to this point. You will find no better or more noble a group of men anywhere.

We too are a "Band of Brothers." "We Stand Alone Together." The line in the sand is drawn here and to this tyranny we say, "not one damn step further."

Your Good Friend,
Ray
Re:Wear It as a Badge of Honor! (Score:1)
by Ray on Friday November 15, @08:38PM EST (#18)
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Sorry for the expletive I wanted to be very emphatic, but it is not my burden or my prerogative to adjudicate whose footsteps are damned and whose aren't. As Thundercloud would say, "I already have enough aggravation."

To discern the evil that is Radical Feminism and its consequences is not only my right, it is my ethical responsibility as a bonifide red, white and blue American citizen.

If it is true, as they say, that "eternal vigilance is the cost of freedom," then it is abundantly true that Radical Feminism has added greatly to the burdensome need for eternal vigilance that is required so much of freedom loving people.
Wendy McElroy - One of a few great journalists (Score:1)
by Ray on Friday November 15, @07:45PM EST (#16)
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Wendy:

A brilliant article. Thank you.

How long can the radical feminist campaign of misinformation stand up to such well reasoned insight and cogent revelation before the populace comprising the court of public opinion legislatively storms their strongholds of tyranny and injustice in a righteous outrage over the heinous nature of their historic gender hatred?

Please keep up the good work.

Ray
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