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by Anonymous User on Wednesday November 13, @07:17PM EST (#1)
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YAHOO! We finally got the pill! EAT THAT FEMINAZIS! Now we can finally exercise some sexual control of our own.
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This is fantastic news if it all works out. One point on the "will women trust men to take it" aspect....
Over the years I have read and listened to many women say that men are too irresponsible etc to take the pill.
This is a red herring. In reality it doesn't matter one jot if the woman doesn't trust him to take it. He will now have the power to take it, regardless of whether she trusts him to or not. If she still wants to take the her pill or insist on a condom, that's her choice.
The point is, he will now be empowered not to have to trust her. If fact they will both have the power not to have to trust each other, if they do not wish to.
A recent study showed that 25% of women said they would be prepared to lie to their partner about contraception, if their partner did not wish to have a child, but they did.
The male pill will equal the score and have major benefits for men who may otherwise be duped in to becoming fathers against their wishes.
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A male-pill would be great, right now the only options seem to be condoms [good, but not the best] or vasectomies [difficult to obtain if you don't already have a kid, are young, etc.] and things like pulling-out, which isn't terribly safe. Anyway, the article was a little off with pregnancy statistics, female pills perfect use is about 99%, typical is about 95% - as condoms are 98% or something effective with perfect use.
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Well, I have a thirteen year old son whose very existence is testimony to the fact that condom use is rarely perfect.
I love him dearly, and if I'd know what his being in our house would mean BEFORE 'the event' I'd have never put the damn thing on. But then, hindsight is always 20-20 vision.
Cheers,
Frank
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"In clinical trials, no major side effects were noted..."
Where have I heard that before?
cheers,
chemist
Those who like this sort of thing
will find this the sort of thing they like.
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"In clinical trials, no major side effects were noted..."
Where have I heard that before?
I wondered that myself. We've been told for years that the male reproductive system is extremely difficult to stymie. Now they say they're about to release a 100% affective, perfectly replaceable pill for men that has no side effects. Time will tell. Hopefully the side effects, and there will probably prove to be some, will be minor.
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100% affective, perfectly replaceable pill for men
erm... Make that "perfectly reversible"
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I've believed for years that most of what we are seeing, with the rise of fascist feminism and the decline of manpower, is a result of technology, specifically reproductive technology.
It used to be that men and women enjoyed sex and a baby resulted. They'd enjoy sex again, and another baby resulted. With the advent of the pill for women and safe, clean, relatively high-tech abortions, women gained control over reproduction. Claims that babies were part of a male conspiracy to keep women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen are among the most absurd lies ever to have been foisted off on an unsuspecting public. I doubt that men wanted to keep having additional children to care and pay for any more than women did.
When women gained control over reproduction, men overwhelmingly welcomed them into the work force. The fembots, of course, claim that most men tried to keep women out of high level jobs, and to support this contention the fembots detail specific anecdotes, some of which are even true. I've been an adult since the late 60s, and I can attest that the great majority of men wanted women in the workforce and were quite willing to compete on an even playing field.
Well, as we know, for a given background, ability, and amount of work, women are now paid at least as much as men. But men are being removed from the family, in part because women control reproduction to such a large extent and in part because of unjust laws and courts.
Now we see the next step in the reproductive, technological revolution. In the first stage, women were freed from their biology and from male biology. In the second stage, men will be freed from their own biology and from dependence on female biology. With the male pill, stem cells, and artificial wombs, men will have the same reproductive power as women.
There's a principle in physics, thermodynamics to be specific, called le Chatelier's Principle. It basically states that, if you disturb a thermodynamic system that is in steady state, that system will respond in such a way as to minimize the effect of the pertubation. An example is the increase in clouds in response to global warming and a concomitant increase in evaporation. The clouds reflect sunlight and thereby reduce the input of energy to the planet. It's funny how often society acts in a manner similar to that described by physics. Through female control of reproduction, we've perturbed the balance of power between men and women, but now we are making changes to reestablish that balance.
For better or worse, even in physics major perturbations do result in change, despite le Chatelier's Principle. Human society will never be the same. The genie ain't goin' back in the bottle.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday November 13, @10:25PM EST (#7)
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I wonder what feminists will be thinking. I've seen them complain about our (men) "privilege" of 'not' having a pill, and all the 'burdens' of contraception on them! I remember them saying it's proof of male privilege! Yet if they were the ones without much contraception choices, like two, (and really only one realistic choice for most guys, a condom), they would be saying how it's proof of their oppression and subjagation since it would be men who had the upper hand with reproduction. And it would be proof of the patriarchy working in the medical establishment to give men more power over women, thereby subjagating them. They're disadvantaged BOTH ways, no matter what!
And, of course men who diasagree with the idea that all their many contraceptive choices shows male privilege, is really just us "denying" our power and privileges so that we can keep our "power". Seems to me (and I'm very serious) that they are projecting themselves onto men, and they are the ones denying the privileges that they have!
I can't even use words to explain the utter frustration of trying to talk to these people. To hear or read their egotistical, self worshiping egomaniacal ideas and arguments just blow my mind beyond belief. I've seen this exact argument above, I wish wasn't to lazy to find the link. I can't believe so many guys fall for it, they've got the left twisted around their little finger! Sorry if this sounds like a rant, it is I guess. But, I wonder what spin they'll put on this one. And I think they will have to, politically speaking.
Jesse
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday November 13, @11:14PM EST (#10)
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I wonder what feminists will be thinking. I've seen them complain about our (men) "privilege" of 'not' having a pill, and all the 'burdens' of contraception on them! I remember them saying it's proof of male privilege!
It is amazing how one generation of pheminist finds "freedom" in something like the pill and the next generation considers it a "burden" and a sign of male privelege.
I applaud a male "pill," but I'm skeptical about the science right now.
Jack Implant
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Taking any bets as to how long after this goes to market - if not before - regulations come out requiring a spouse's (Read - WOMAN'S) consent for it to be prescribed? Like with vasectomies?
Any takers? No...?
I'm skeptical. I think the pheminutzi lobby is far too aware of the social power total reproductive control gives them, and will be loathe to surrender it.
Call me a cynic, but when I smell flowers, I look for the body. I pray Jesus God this goes in under their radar, but....
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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Gonz wrote: "Call me a cynic..."
OK, you're a cynic. But I am, too. We've been taught to be.
I suspect you're right, and it'll just be a matter of time before men require a woman's permission to do anything that affect's his fertility (and therefore might render him less suitable as a wallet).
That's not my only concern, though. I pretty seriously question the science, particularly the claim that "In clinical trials, no major side effects were noted..."
So what counts as a 'minor' side effect when we're talking about the group of humans considered to be disposable?
I have no evidence that bad science was involved -- I'm just suspicious. When you consider the level of disregard, sometimes outright contempt, shown for men's health in general, I think my concern is well founded.
I hope I'm wrong, but you won't find me taking this pill anytime soon.
Want to know the saddest part of this? It's that I just don't trust that concern for my continued health ranked high enough on the list of requirements.
Ragtime, the uppity wallet.
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 15, @12:20AM EST (#15)
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Ragtime.
I compleately share your thoughts and conserns on this.
I, like Gonzo and yourself, am very cynical when I hear ANYTHING being said about Men's health and "Well-being".
Since when does anyone care about things like that when it concerns the "disposable gender"?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on Friday November 15, @12:09AM EST (#14)
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Jesse,
Yes, The rad-fems put a spin on EVERYTHING.
That's probably why they're so DIZZY.
(^_^)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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