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This is disgusting, and at least Dan Rather called them on it this time. So, it's "OK" to depict this sort of thing ala "Themla and Louise" as long as women are doing the killing. These women have a very arbitrary and selective view of equality.
Anyone read "Animal Farm"? See any parallels here?
Steve aka Equalitarian62
BTW, I'm posting this at Men's Issues Online.
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You mean it's not okay for women to kill men, if men don't behave the way women want them to?
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by Anonymous User on Monday September 09, @08:00PM EST (#3)
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I didn't see the piece, but I think it is immensely important that someone like Dan Rather would call attention misandry as directly as described here, apparently to show disapproval rather than to laugh along with the perpetrators.
I think, I hope, this shows that people in our society are starting to take a look at its man-hating attitudes.
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I hope, this shows that people in our society are starting to take a look at its man-hating attitudes.
I think this is exactly what is happening. We've turned a corner. We've got a long way to go, but many good, increasingly aware men and women are realizing what's happened over the last several decades. They are disgusted, and they increasingly want change for the better.
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As much as I dislike Dan Rather, I'm inclined to encourage everyone to write him a note thanking him for asking the question. If/when I find and address for him, email or otherwise, I'll post it.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @01:32PM EST (#22)
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I too, am no big fan of Rather, Frank.
But any one who calls a "spade" a "spade" as Rather did in the case of the "DIXIE TWITS" deserves his credit when it's his due.
And yeah, please DO post his email, if you would.
THANKS.
Thundercloud.
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Haven't found one yet, but I went to the CBS site [http://www.cbsnews.com/] and clicked 60 Minutes II and sent in a comment. I'll keep looking, though.
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I came across this on an article about a Marine who volunteered to rescue victims at the WTC last year: "Rebecca Liss is an associate producer at CBS's 60 Minutes II." Perhaps Ms. Liss would be a good contact. If anyone can get an address for her, then that would be helpful.
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Is by counterfiction. If Earl is a real prson known to Dixie Chicks I hope he takes them to court for criminal solicitation. But otherwise they had every right to sing their song. No one can sue them. Nor me. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN FIGHT FREE SPEACH IS BY MORE FREE SPEACH.
If Earl (1950-2000) only abused one woman, then Erica Andry (1980-2014) victimised hundreds of thousands of men by her talk show (2008-14) which encouraged false accusations of rape. And she built a mansion in Canada. Until D'Artagnan was falsely accused of rape in Louisiana in 2014. But then he was a very imperfect victim who preferred a good Canadian prison for a crime he did commit to a Louisiana concentration camp for a crime he did not commit.
The main story is D'Artagnan's conversations with prison psychologist Constance Bonacieux. My story is (being written) here. To read it you have to join my group.
PUNISHMENT AND CRIME
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Is by counterfiction. If Earl is a real prson known to Dixie Chicks I hope he takes them to court for criminal solicitation. But otherwise they had every right to sing their song. No one can sue them. Nor me. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN FIGHT FREE SPEACH IS BY MORE FREE SPEACH.
If Earl (1950-2000) only abused one woman, then Erica Andry (1980-2014) victimised hundreds of thousands of men by her talk show (2008-14) which encouraged false accusations of rape. And she built a mansion in Canada. Until D'Artagnan was falsely accused of rape in Louisiana in 2014. But then he was a very imperfect victim who preferred a good Canadian prison for a crime he did commit to a Louisiana concentration camp for a crime he did not commit.
The main story is D'Artagnan's conversations with prison psychologistConstance Bonacieux. My story is (being written) here. To read it you have to join my group.
PUNISHMENT AND CRIME
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John, with all due respect, this is beginning to sound just a little like a sales pitch.
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Why not? Gen X teenyboppers think it's ok to kick boys in the groin if they don't do as they're told- I've heard this sentiment on their chatboards frequently, although it would be a suicide-mission if they tried it on me.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @01:28PM EST (#21)
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(((" it would be a suicide-mission if they tried it on me.")))
Yeah, Incredibletulkas, Me too.
You never..., NEVER want to try and kick a big Cherokee guy in the crotch.
Any one dumb enough to try, be they male OR female, had better prepare to say "OUCH!".
I'm noarmaly pretty easy-going, But I tend to go 'Bruce Lee' on folks who try that.
Again male OR female. Blind justice is like blind rage. ...Blind.
Thundercloud.
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They said it's ok because they look innocent? This is the most bigoted thing I've heard yet, i.e. "men look guilty."
This is a travesty even worse than the song-- and that's saying a LOT.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @01:39PM EST (#23)
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To be fair to the "DIXIE TWITS", (which is MORE than they deserve.)
I'm not sure if they meant it's okay because THEY PERSONALY look "innocent", or Women in general look "innocent."
Either way, 'tulkas, Youre right. the comment was devoid of any objectivity or fairness.
But what can we expect from a bunch of girls with Oatmeal for brains?
Thundercloud.
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If it's OK for Dixie Chicks it must be OK for me. You know I do not accept double standards.
But I am a detective writer -- not a singer. My story is (being written) here. To read it you have to join my group.
PUNISHMENT AND CRIME
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I generally don't respond to posts by cowards who go by "anonymous," so I'll just point out that this post "Get a life" is full of holes. It's silly nonsense.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @01:22PM EST (#19)
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Where is this "Get a life" post you all keep talking about? I can't find it.
Anonymity does not a coward make, btw. Sometimes, anonymity is prudent because there are certain idiots who want to stalk people who disagree with them.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @01:24PM EST (#20)
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I found it. It was "beneath my current threshold."
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @02:25PM EST (#29)
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Don't take it personaly "Anonymous".
The lable of "coward" and the like don't apply to you or other "Anons", Who NEED to be anonymous.
We understand your position. (^-^)
Thundercloud.
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"...a woman is much more likely to be murdered by a man than the other way around."
Perhaps, before you make such bold assertions, you could actually cite a reliable source to substantiate your claims. Go ahead, look it up. I'll wait.
-hobbes
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The opposite of archetypal hate is hate itself; only in the middle ground can one transcend it to see something other.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @02:16AM EST (#8)
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No one said that such anti-female garbage doesn't exist, 'Anon'.
The point is, that when the depiction of violence,hate, murder and subsequent celebration there of, is done by WOMEN it is never called bigotry. (Which it clearly is.)
If it is sighted at all, it is ALWAYS excused as "Just girls haveing fun" or "Cute and funny." or "Well,all Men are evil and deserve it."
Conversely, We hear ALOT about how rap songs and the like, are anti-female. PIRIOD. NO excuses.
The pop-star Eminem is a good example of this process at work. There is NO WAY he could EVER excuse away his depictions of women, in his videos, as "Just BOYS haveing fun." or "it's cute and funny." and imagine what heat would come down on him if he DARED to say; "Well, all WOMEN are evil, and deserve it."
I agree with you that more than enough anti-female garbage is out there. NO ONE here is saying other wise, OR is condoneing such material.
What IS being said is, that there is a HUGE double-standard when it comes to the differences in how anti-female and anti-male videos and such are scrutinized.
The difference...?
Anti-female material IS scrutinized.
Anti-male material is not only NOT scrutinized, it is excused away and dismissed ALL TOGETHER!
As far as violence in general is conserned.
It is MEN not women who are the victims of violence more often.
Do some home work on this. contact the Department of justice, for example, for accurate stats, on this.
As far as DEPICTIONS of violence in media are conserned. all you need do is merely to watch TV, movies and even video-games. There is NO END of violence against men. There is SOME violence against women, But the number of violent acts against women is DWARFED by the number of violent acts comitted against MEN. Further more, the violence depicted against women is rarely if EVER depicted with "humorous overtones" or with calloused SADISM. It is nearly ALWAYS portrayed that way when the victim of violence is MALE.
Tell me when was the last time, 'Anon' you saw a FEMALE hit, kicked, or punched in the genitals? And if you HAVE ever seen it done to a female, was it EVER presented as "funny"? (And don't try to say being hit in the groin doesn't hurt women too. I played enough tackle foot ball and the like with females in my younger days to know they go down JUST as FAST as a guy does when hit in the groin.)
Men are battered six ways to Sunday. It is not just TV shows, Movies and video-games. In between Tv shows you can see men beaten, humiliated, degraded, dehuminized, and abused (particulairly by women) in the commercials. It NEVER stops!
So 'Anon', before you go around telling people to "get a life." Maybe you should look around yourself, and see the state of things as they truly ARE. I respect your oppinion, But you might want to make sure that oppinion is based on fact.
I'm not trying to get something started with you, I'm just trying to illustrate something for you.
I hope you understand my position.
Thundercloud.
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"I hope you understand my position.
Thundercloud."
I do. And I want to point out, you're really beginning to grow as an activist.
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Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @02:30PM EST (#32)
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Well, Dan. I'm learning from the best.
Just think, a couple of months ago, I didn't even know what a "TROLL" was. (And I don't mean the story-book type.)
I believe it was You and Thomas that taught me about "trolls".
and I'm learning more all the time.
Thanks.
Thundercloud.
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"I believe it was You and Thomas that taught me about "trolls".
and I'm learning more all the time. "
We need your voice.
I want you to know I admire and respect you but I also don't want you to fall into the depths of bitterness if possible. Bitterness will only burn you out and leave you defenseless. You are a think tank of ideas and a reaching mountian of asperation. Keep studying Thundercloud and don't be afraid to bring some of your culture forward too.
Learning how to fight this fight takes time and working off eachother like this is very important. But its important that our enemies become like us and not us like them.
I've been realizing how important masculism is lately. Aquiring knowledge is what helps us to debate in the feild. I love to use this place as a think tank. We can learn all our approaches and strategies. Develope new defences and new insights. Im glad you are here Thundercloud and not against us.
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Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday September 11, @05:20PM EST (#40)
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I'm with you all 'till the end Dan.
Hopefully that "end" will be sweet, not a bitter end. I know ALL of us will fight to be sure it will be the former, not the latter.
B.T.W. Are you familiar with Indian activist Russell Means? (He's been up to Canada a few times.)
In the Indian rights movement, Mr. Means was my hero. But one day I heared him espouseing some alarming rhetoric about how we live in a "patriarchal society that oppresses women."
While I still admire him and beleive he is doing right by Indian people, my admiration for him stops at his views on gender. It was at that moment in time, I knew I had to become a men's rights activist as well as an Indian activist. The two are now almost inter-twined.
It is a hard way to go. Supporting Russell Means in one way and haveing to OPPOSE him in another, BOTH in the name of true equality.
Mr. Means has actually gone so far as to say that the "patriarchy" should be dismantled and a MATRIARCHY errected in it's place. As if one extream would rectifie the other.
THIS comeing from a VERY intelegent and good hearted man. it's VERY un-setteling.
One thing I agree with him on, though, about gender, is how women today have become mini-men. Loseing femineine attributes and becomeing rather masculine. If Mr. Means is immplying that there is a risk of loseing "the feminine" I have to go with him on that one.
On the other hand, In my observeations of men, WAY too many men seem to be conversly becomeing too FEMININE! Almost as if the genders are literaly "tradeing spirits".
Maybe I should include this in my file of "THUNDERCLOUD'S TALES OF SCARY STUFF!!!"
Any way. Back to the subject.
I not only will never give up men's activism, I CAN'T ever give it up.
The price would be my soul.
Thundercloud.
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Its okay to admire someone you don't completely agree with. Don't think of it as a unsolvable paradox merely think of it as a paradigm of objectivety.
You can support his beliefs for natives and dissagree and oppose him on feminist issues and be firm and clear. Try not to let emotions invade this area. The truth is a real thing not just some belief. Many people call this "seperating the people from the problem" I say this is wise advice. Feminists fail here all the time as they rely on hatred and emotion to power their gas showers.
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Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Thursday September 12, @12:32AM EST (#42)
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Yeah, Dan. And God knows, the feminists are FULL of gas!
Most likely methaine gas, If you get my drift.
(^-^)
Thundercloud.
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There is NO END of violence against men. There is SOME violence against women, But the number of violent acts against women is DWARFED by the number of violent acts comitted against MEN. Further more, the violence depicted against women is rarely if EVER depicted with "humorous overtones" or with calloused SADISM. It is nearly ALWAYS portrayed that way when the victim of violence is MALE.
Thundercloud is right to point this out. The latest studies sponsored by the VAWA do demonstrate that violence perpetrated by both genders against men dwarfs the violence committed against women.
Yet the study is so bigoted, biased, and full of hate that the fact of the epidemic of violence against men is completely ignored. The numbers of violent acts against men are truly staggering, and those are unadjusted numbers. What is worse, is that the study didn't think the violence against woman stats were high enough. So they adjusted the numbers upward by some arbitrary amount! Even so the violence against men numbers are still staggering when compared to the numbers for violence against women.
Worse, the study ignored the prison rapes against men. This deliberate deception was done to make the incidence of rape against woman appear more damaging. To these feminist, when a man is raped there really isn’t a rape. It’s like if a man is in prison then they believe he must deserve to be raped. But as if that wasn't bad enough, they adjusted the rapes against woman upward because they didn't think those numbers were high enough!
So, before AU condemns men as evil and violent monsters, AU needs to get an education and learn how to interpret statistical studies. AU needs to learn of how feminists are lying to the public to make women appear to be under a constant attack. What nonsense. AU needs to learn the difference between flawed archival data vs. an actual statistical analysis using the scientific method. Of course we’ll never see feminist admit to their lies. Doing so would damage their agenda of hate.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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"And don't try to say being hit in the groin doesn't hurt women too."
What difference does that make? Wouldn't it be LESS unacceptable if it didn't? The level of violence isn't guaged just by the assault but the battery as well.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @01:49PM EST (#24)
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((("" and don't try to sat being hit in the groin doesn't hurt women too."")))
Sorry 'tulkas.
That statement was directed at the AU, alone.
not at any one else. I probably should have made that more obvious.
Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @02:41PM EST (#33)
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B.T.W.
It's a little known fact that kicking anyone in the genitals IS considered SEXUAL ASSAULT. And is prosecuteable, by law.
This is a little known fact because the Marx-fems and their buddies in the media don't want men in particular, to know this. giveing women, who are more often than not, the perpitrators of this crime, more un-fair power and leverage.
It is much easier to subjegate a people when they are kept ignorant.
Fortunatly, More and more of us are begining to look into the laws of the land.
So guys, next time some smart @$$ woman kicks you in the crotch, you have FULL legal right to take her smart @$$ to court!
Thundercloud.
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Well, Thundercloud:
This law could have unintentional consequences. I imagine being in a fight and either accidentally or deliberatly and suddenly finding out I'm guilty of a "sexual assault" and the inquisitors are after my ass. Not to mention, since its most likely a man I'm fighting-- well, I never knew about my homosexual tendencies before. Seems you learn something new everyday. Glad to 'come out' to such a great group of guys
But there is a problem when you can turn practically any physical contact into a "sexual assault". You'd think motive and circumstances might at least be relevent factors.
Anyway, the current sexual laws are so maladjusted to human experience and human nature and are so unforgiving, that I can't imagine using them on anyone I care for even an ounce. Although I must admit that if we men started pressing for the enforcement of the laws against our female loved ones, perhaps these measures would be seen as the monstrosity they are.
Its seems even if "win", here, we lose.
Remo
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 13, @06:31PM EST (#43)
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I imagine being in a fight and either accidentally or deliberatly and suddenly finding out I'm guilty of a "sexual assault" and the inquisitors are after my ass.
Dirty fighters have dirty minds.
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Ah, if ignorance is bliss, please, Scott, tell us all the IP address for Heaven, because that is where this clown posted from.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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"Then there's the many rap songs detailing rape and assault of women..."
Yes there are, AU, and we, here, do not like them any more than you do. On the other hand, perhaps you need to take a look at what some of those songs are really saying: that men are fed up with the lies and bigotry spouted by feminists. Certainly, rape and murder are not justified, but perhaps the message is.
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Well, take a look at the tactic, though, Frank. It's classic shaming language, taken straight from the marching orders of the pheminazis. First, the dismissal - since it happens to women, no matter at how small the ratio, then it's nothing. Next, since it happens to poor helpless women why aren't you big strong men doing your job and protecting them? And third, the exhortation and accusation to "Stop whining, you whiners!"
It's also rote, plagaristic, and lacking in originality - because it is so formulaic. And it deliberately misses the point; namely, it's not our job to be "equitable" and condemn this against "all people" (The classic twist) namely because there are already plenty of people condemning the lyrics exhorting violence against women. The choir is full there.
Consider the source and ignore the remark, Frank - if someone hasn't got the cojones to even put a monniker on their words, it begs the question as to whether their words are worth hearing, let alone debating. I mean, you, me, Warb, Ray - we sign our work - because we believe in the truth and value of what we say. Some may have legitimate reasons for being Anon, but this is just sniping, probably from some pheminista BBS terrorist.
Know it for what it is, and be heartily amused.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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Somehow, I just...
I was just in a place where I had to respond, no matter how fruitless it seems.
It's like fireworks: it's wasteful and dangerous and seems to have no real point, but DAMN they're fun!
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These songs are all about thugs committing all kinds of murder and mayhem, not just against women; this song, on the other hand, is pure misandry.
Ok, how about the Good Ol' Boys write a song called "Goodbye Pearl," about a man who's married to a violent wife (and we at Mensactivism know there are JUST as many violent wives as violent husbands) but the police don't care and she gets custody of the kids etc, so he kills her-- and then he laughs about it living happily ever after.
I've helped plenty of women in domestic situations, but the implication here is that they're victims so it's ok to commit homicide since they're above the law for being so cute.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 10, @02:06PM EST (#25)
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Incredibletulkas.
You are right. Ironicaly, the very scenerio you describe is exactly what most MALE victims of DV go through.
They are abused, call the cops, the cops don't care, the wife gets custody of the children, Etc.
Yet the "DIXIE TWITS" make the video convey the message that this is common place for WOMEN, when the exact OPPOSITE is the case.
If ANYONE has the right to make a video about killing an abuseive ex-spouse, it is the MAJORITY of abused men in this and other countries.
But notice NO MEN make videos like this. only WOMEN. (And before a troll accuses me of it, NO I do not encourage MEN to make videos depicting the opposite extream.)
Male or Female, abuse and murder are wrong, wrong, WRONG.
So you are right, again Incredibletulkas.
Thundercloud.
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"NO I do not encourage MEN to make videos depicting the opposite extream..."
Perhaps we should. It's only a video. We could add a tag line like the SPCA requires for horses used in John Wayne-type westerns: "No women were actually hurt in the making of this video."
I'm not encouraging violence against women (or anyone else, or even horses) but I think it's time that the entertainment business started to recognize the plight of men in the equivalent situation. I've often contemplated writing letters to Toby Keith and others that such a ballad NEEDS to be written, recorded, and listened to. Their creative approach is their choice (parody, sarcasm, slapstick, drama).
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> Ok, how about the Good Ol' Boys write a song
> called "Goodbye Pearl,"
Not Pearl. Erica Andry. A major misandrist force in 2008-14. My story is (being written) here. To read it you have to join my group.
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