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by Anonymous User on Tuesday June 25, @03:25PM EST (#1)
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And here is the conclusive, absolute explanation for the disparity:
"I hesitate to say this, but it seems that women have an orientation... toward achievement..."
Gee, I wonder if I could use the same logic that men had a natural "orientation... toward acheivement" to explain the sex-disparity among colleges in the US in the early 20th century.
Or maybe the problem goes a little deeper than biology, huh?
How do these people graduate from high school, anyway?
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"I hesitate to say this, but it seems that women have an orientation... toward achievement..."
The article is rife with such drivel. It's worth pointing out the entire statement and then considering what it implies about men...
"women have an orientation not only toward achievement, but also toward being good and pleasing others." The flip side of this is that men are not inclined toward achievement and are inclined toward offending others and toward being bad. And this is from "Linda Sax, a UCLA education professor, who is writing a book about how women and men develop differently in college" and who is, therefore, probably considered an expert on this crisis.
These people can no longer shrug off the problem, that has been growing for two and a half decades. So, what we will get from them is a whitewash. I've audited some classes during the last few years, and I've found them, and the university environment as a whole, to be poisonously hateful of males.
The problem is that feminists have transformed the nation's academy into a bastion of anti-male hatred, lies, and evil.
The pundits won't acknowledge this, however, so the problem will get worse as they engage in their coverup.
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These people can no longer shrug off the problem, that has been growing for two and a half decades. So, what we will get from them is a whitewash. I've audited some classes during the last few years, and I've found them, and the university environment as a whole, to be poisonously hateful of males.
The problem is that feminists have transformed the nation's academy into a bastion of anti-male hatred, lies, and evil.
The pundits won't acknowledge this, however, so the problem will get worse as they engage in their coverup.
I see it in academia too--I work in a research institution. The censorious anti-male atmosphere prevalent in academia would seem to exacerbate the phenomenon of male students voting with their feet; it's sociological speculation to attribute the disparity in enrollment solely to the success of the feminist academic and social agenda; on the other hand my experience is that it sucks to be a guy in academia in many ways.
Generally speaking, you cannot maintain anti-male stereotypes and expect least some proportion of the billions of men you villify not to react one way or another, but I'd like to see some studies done on the specific reasons for the enrollment disparity. In my case, I chose (lets assume I was in a position to make a choice) to remain single so that I could put myself through graduate school. Many men don't have the option of putting themselves through school, especially if they have to support families. There can be many reasons for the gender disparity; certainly presumptuously hostile attitudes towards men in academia don't help, but other causes ought to be carefully formulated and considered.
I suspect that the problem will have to get worse before it can get better.
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There can be many reasons for the gender disparity; certainly presumptuously hostile attitudes towards men in academia don't help, but other causes ought to be carefully formulated and considered.
Good point. No doubt the problem is complex. Unfortunately, we may never understand it very well, because many of the people who look into it will be male-hating feminists.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 26, @06:51AM EST (#38)
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Other reasons must be carefully "formulated" to distract from the real reasons.
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""The pundits won't acknowledge this, however, so the problem will get worse as they engage in their coverup.""
For some reason we keep seeing this. Like the one in Australia, where the men were blamed for not having kids "being selfish" and causing the depopulation problem.
Does any one remember that thread a while back where black girls couldnt find men at colleges becuase their werent any there or something. That was men's fault too, I think, I may have to check on that, people have been calling me on my bullshit (which I like as it keeps me honest) but Im pretty sure.
Remember a few years back when they were saying that why women dont do so well as because the courses are male orientated and unfair.
"Women are nicer and more geared for learning"
Its the same propaganda line as that essay I read "Why Women Thank and Men Troll" .
Please dont tell me we stand alone in the face of this hypocracy.
I hope some writer jumps on this, NIGHTMIST? got any time?? to write something up?
Dan Lynch
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Dan-Lynch wrote: Does any one remember that thread a while back where black girls couldnt find men at colleges becuase their werent any there or something.
I remember the article, though I don't have a link at the moment. Thanks for reminding us of this, Dan.
One of the things, which the article did, was state that hardships would fall on black women, because they wouldn't have educated black men to marry. (Just like the article that we're now discussing makes a point of marrying hardships that will befall white women.) I don't remember the article saying that the lack of education will be a further disaster for black men. (Just like the article that we're now discussing fails to mention that great hardships will befall white men, and men of all colors for that matter, because of what's happening with college enrollment-demographics.)
Where's EmanSlave gone to? He was great. He used to sign off with a line to the effect of "The men's movement is a black man's greatest friend." Truer words have never been spoken.
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"Where's EmanSlave gone to? He was great. He used to sign off with a line to the effect of "The men's movement is a black man's greatest friend." Truer words have never been spoken."
I think I like you :)
Dan Lynch
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I encountered "anti-female" hatred from a few of the older professors when I was studying in Architecture. One who was my supposed "academic advisor" even told me he wouldn't sign for me to take a night class because "I should be home making dinner for someone". (I went over his head).
I went finished the degree program anyway, despite these few bigots. Women in the generation before me would have faced more than just bigotted attitudes, they were actively denied admission in many fields of study. So, while a "hostile environment" is not a good thing, it is not the same as being actively excluded. One can get past it if one is strong willed enough.
Also, isn't this "hostile environment" stuff exactly what some feminists are trying to regulate (by laws) in the workplace? I hope I'm not hearing that we need laws to suppress bigotted speech in the university setting.
As I said, I encountered a few openly hostile-to-female professors (and I'm certain there were some who were secretely hostile as well) in University but I blasted through anyway. If one wants the diploma one will find a way.
What is important is that TODAY we are all equally allowed to enter University (with more objective entry requirements than previous). Once there, you're on you're pretty much on your own to suceed.
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It would be trivial to refute Lorrianne's statements. If anyone intends to do this, however, you should know that she is a feminist troll. One of the tricks she is almost certain to play is the old straw man. She'll claim or insinuate that you wrote something that you didn't write, and then she'll condescendingly refute the statement that you didn't make.
It's really something to see such self-righteous, deep-rooted hatred of men and little boys.
We should also note the profound racism of this white woman: She has had it pointed out to her numerous times on this board (and in the article we are now discussing) that black and hispanic males are faring worse than white males. But, of course, in the mind of this white woman, that's entirely their fault.
Feminism is deeply intertwined with racism.
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I didn't say any of that Thomas. I just recounted my experience in school. There is always racism, sexism,or this or that _____ism of your choice.
I was trying to be upbeat in that virtually anyone can get into a university or college nowadays. What happens after you get there is stuff that has always happened. Doesn't make it right, it just is. I got through it by ignoring the bigots. I'm suggesting the same can be done by anyone no matter their color or sex.
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I'm far too familiar with you, Lorianne. I know your feminist tricks, and you are a racist. Nice try.
Unfortunately, the people who look into this crisis will be far more sophisticated than Lorianne. They won't just declare that they went to school and "the same can be done by anyone no matter their color or sex." They'll know it won't sell to simply declare something along the lines of, "Men might be leaving schools in droves, but hey anyone can go, so it's just up to men to do so." Society is waking up, so the pundits will have to be far slicker.
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Thomas, you're hysterical.
What do YOU propose then? You always run around like a hysterical chicken but you never (that I've seen) propose anything concrete that people can do about problems you perceive.
I offered some suggestions from my personal experience. If you want a college education, go to college and ignor the bigots and go over thei heads if need be.
Universities are BS and you know it. All kinds of stupid stuff goes on there, always has. In order to get your degree you have to put up with the professors and the powers that be. That's the way it is. At LEAST everyone who wants to with an IQ above say 90, can get into a University or College. Then that person has to put up with the same BS as everyone else to get his/her degree. Obviously the "in" crowd du jour is going to get through easier. Anyone who's ever been to Univeristy knows what I'm talking about.
What do YOU plan to do about it?
What's your suggestion?
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First I would like to thank Lorianne for posting. I have been reading her and everyone else posts for a year or so now so I do feel I have some feeling for her attitude toward men and the men's movement. I do not feel it is negative or anti-male although she does not agree with everything that is said from time to time this is not a bad quality.
As far as the bias that she had to deal with in college I have no doubt that it was real and troublesome for her and other women. As a result of the women's movement there is now a mechanism in place to address these issues when they arise. The REAL problem is that the women's movement has failed to address or even recognize the simple fact that men of ANY ethnicity can be discriminated against.
I have also had similar experiences to Dan when dealing trying to address men's issues in school. The basic replies range from "men just fail to recognize the social power they possess" to the more antagonistic "now you know how women feel."
I have NEVER had any feminist professor acknowledge that men are suffering more than women in academics reguardless of the data they are shown.
Finally one of the subtle things I am beginning to notice in the men's movement is the enourmous amount of time and energy that is spent in addressing the message of gender feminists.
I feel that for a true men's movement to form we need to stop wasting our energies on the propaganda from NOW and AAUW and educate the public on the condition of men in our society.
One men's movement that has had the widest racial appeal is the "Promise Keepers." The key to their popularity seems to be their absolute avoidance of any feminist issue and focus on men. Reguardless if you agree with their religious values there is an important lesson to be learned in their ability to cross racial and economic lines.
Tony
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Lorianne, I didn't even read your entire post. You are a feminist and a racist. You are not worthy of my time.
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What are those services that helpe people when they feel they are being treated unfairly because of their race or sex??
Funny how these services rarely help white men. Or do they??
I was on the phone to one councilor a while back, they literally told me that its okay to be racist and sexist towards white men. She said they have all the power blah blah blah.
Funny, but in Canada men are in the minority, and white people are quickly becoming the minority aswell(accumatively speaking), So white men are a part of both minority groups as a sex or as a race, but its okay to discriminate against them , its okay to fuck them over piss on them whatever you want, hell they're just men.
cockroaches have better respect.
Dan Lynch
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I don't see how relating her personal experinces with sexism makes her a feminist, and I have no idea where you got the "racist" bit from. Especially since you didn't even read the whole post.
If you can't have a rational conversation without spazing, maybe you aren't worthy of *her* time. Or maybe you just need to take some of these.
:p
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Actually scudsucker,
Lorraine has been trolling here for quite awhile. It's not that this is her first post, or even her fifteenth. It's been a lot, and she has trolled a lot.
Although sometimes she does make rather good points, when she engages her brain. I enjoy her arguments when they aren't just slams.
And Thomas, relax.
Women aren't better than men.
Men aren't better than women.
We're just different. Deal.
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And Thomas, relax.
I have an intense way of relaxing :)
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Hmm guess I'll go check out her other posts but Tom still overeacted.
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I'm ignorant because I haven't kept up with this thread and I have deliberately NOT read the subsequent statements. Regarding this statement:
"I got through it by ignoring the bigots. I'm suggesting the same can be done by anyone no matter their color or sex. "
I just want to say that this statement, taken by itself is 1000% correct and absolutely essential if one intends to be successful, no matter your definition of success. Bigotry exists in every community, and every community is a victom of bigotry to one degree or another. The way to survive is to work through it, as the Jews have learned, as most successful African-Americans have learned, and as many white men are learning in the U.S today.
And regardless of how most of us may disagree with Lorianne's beliefs, she is not a troll. A troll, my friends, comes in, lays a hand grenade on the table, and leaves without identifying itself.
While I disagree with much she has to say, I give Lorianne credit for sticking around and at least providing a lightning rod for the debate.
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"While I disagree with much she has to say, I give Lorianne credit for sticking around and at least providing a lightning rod for the debate. "
Personally I like it when trolls try to convince me of shit. They state their information, and I learn a little bit more of why they are the way they are.
I read an essay once called "Why Women Thank and Men Troll" the title alone should make you laugh histerically. Point is the way I took it was, this type of propaganda reduces women from checking out other sites and acting as trolls, least they find out dissenting opinions. Men and Women will have to get together at the tables of this conflict as much as possible and hopefully aim for the truth and not just what sounds good.
Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday June 25, @06:29PM EST (#11)
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this is from "Linda Sax, a UCLA education professor, who is writing a book about how women and men develop differently in college" and who is, therefore, probably considered an expert on this crisis."
Quite. She's just the sort of person the education bureaucracies will turn to if it is decided the potential political heat is too great and "something must be done". She can doubtless suggest some useful "workshops" we can start adding to the compulsory high school curriculum for males.
cheers,
sd
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday June 25, @10:44PM EST (#26)
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If anyone is familiar with Nietzsche and "The Geneology of Morals", his use of the term "workshops" is quite analagous, in my opinion, to that used by the fleminists.
Briefly, a workshop is a metaphoric place where weaknesses are lied into something meritorious (e.g. cowardice is lied into obedience), and morals of purity are constructed to justify an endeavor for pain, misery, and unhappiness, cloaked as social or personal progression.
Likewise, that which is of inherent value, and void of moral stigmitization, (in other words, strengths), are lied into something "evil"; that is, strengths are "transvaluated" into something to be fervently avoided. For instance, the ability to cause effect, or to be effectual - some might call it "power" - is lied into oppressiveness.
I think it describes feminist workshops remarkably accurately.
-hobbes
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If you're not mad, you're not paying attention
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"I think it describes feminist workshops remarkably accurately."
Yes, Nietzche' often cited the Christians on this. Which I feel is true except for the pure meanings of Christianity was missed, usually is, I could go on about the churches but whatever.
The Feminists who I have accused of using this theory for sometime, maybe I have over estimated them, and they have just fallen into the pattern and have found the ease of "cry wolf" success. I honestly thought they had some strategy(well they do, I just thought they had acquired it through knowledge and study).
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Dan Lynch
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I hated collage, it was no more just take
the money then tell us, go home and memorize this shit.
Nothing about using your brains, just money for credits.
Like that song money for nothing and sex for free.
Well the pimps are the universities.
They are money hungry pieces of shit.
I did not learn by giving me a book and just
say memorize this shit.
Fuck this shit.
I am a engineer and I learned nothing about
engineering in collage.
I had to learn by stress and strain not by school.
How we learn is by doing.
Bring back apprentices.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I can most definitely agree there! I've worked with people with Master's degrees that couldn't construct a readable sentence, and people who needed to be trained by someone else with a high school diploma once they hit the real world.
I once had an English teacher that couldn't spell. That was real interesting! ;>)
Apprenticeship would give people usable skills, rather than inflated ideas of their own self-importance. I mean really, just what is a degree in 'women's studies' good for after all?
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" I mean really, just what is a degree in 'women's studies' good for after all?"
For writing shit articles in newspaper columns that further create hostility towards the sexes. For extending the party line on bigotry and hate by turning a blind eye to things that reflect the true nature of life is a single sexist typicality. Changing the gender roles and blaming someone else for the results of generations of evolution that no one anywhere can seem to prove.
By creating an "editorial slant" in the minds of the public that seem to supercede common sence, but make sence because of the one way media process that doesnt allow for dissent on this "ideology" making it unchallenged and accepted by fear of brute force reprisal in the emotional atmosphere.
I think I could go on , Trudy; but what I want to sum up is, what they are doing is not "women's studies" it is a study of neo-hatrism. They edit the language to suit their ideal, associate all things they like with feminism and say women are like this or like that and use its direct opposits as the meaning of man or what men are.
There are over 900 maybe a 1000 "women's studies" courses in in North America today that means over 50 000 per years or more people have been influenced directly by this study, god knows how many are influenced indirectly by this trite ideal. 20/30 million?? Then add women's only shelters that preach more of a doctrine of hate towards men. Then add television ideals and commercialism of anit-male images 100 million??
All these people may or may not hate men, but they have definately been influenced by its administrative propaganda.
If I were a woman I would be over at the iwf, looking at some of the solutions they have for women their economics and forcasts for this new century/millenium. Words like "independance, integrity,strong, curious, eclectic".
Doesnt matter the easy way out for solutions is always the one taken. Who writes "Its easier to support a popular cause than a just one"?
they got it right about the n-o-w crowd.
Trudy, you should be a woman who is studied in women's studies, because you exemplify "strength, courage and independance".
You go against adversity despite its cost to you, may like an earlier Warren Ferrall who worked for now because he thought it was right. But when he tried to do some equalizing for men, they shunned him. Warren is more interested in Justice and truth thats how I see you.
Sometimes I think the fight for men's rights is really a woman's fight. Women will have to decide what they think is more important, balance, equality, fairness justice or advantage, strife hatred suffering.
IMO men helped women because they loved them, hopefully women love men just as much and will be smart enough to see through the lies. Women like Trudy.
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Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday June 25, @10:52PM EST (#27)
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I just had to publicly applaud that last post, Dan. Well said.
-hobbes
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If you're not mad, you're not paying attention
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Dan writes:
"Sometimes I think the fight for men's rights is really a woman's fight. Women will have to decide what they think is more important, balance, equality, fairness justice or advantage, strife hatred suffering."
That seems a very pessimistic view to me, almost defeatist.
IMNSHO, The probability of women spontaneously deciding men are their moral equals is negligible.
When, in history, has the socially dominant group voluntarily given up its dominance? It has always been taken by the dominated or lost in division between the privileged.
cheers,sd
Those who like this sort of thing
will find this the sort of thing they like.
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"That seems a very pessimistic view to me, almost defeatist."
Really, it felt very optimistic to me, maybe you should read the whole post again.
While we're at it Christine Stolba for president.
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Dan Lynch
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This is absolutely true. In my field, architecture, one used to be trained by apprenticeship. This is still true, only you first have to get a University degree, then get a job in architecture to learn your craft. What you learn in school is very little about how to be an architect (though if you're persistent you can learn a lot about history, art history, engineering etc).
Used to be you could sit for exams after a 7 year apprenticeship even if you had no formal degree. Now even that option is finished and one has to have a degree plus 2-3 years apprenticeship to sit for the exam (in most states). This effectively cuts out some very talented people who could be very good architects by learning "on the job".
(Also, you used to have to travel abroad as part of an architectural education. Not so anymore. I traveled for 2 years straight before graduating and learned more during that time than I did my entire 5 years in school and then some).
In some professions experience and observation are the best teacher.
We still have some apprenticeship-like programs, notably in medicine (residency in hospital), law (clerkships) but it is a fast disappearing trend.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 26, @05:56AM EST (#37)
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I'm in college right now (CUNY NYC) in CIS program (I know.. I know..) I transfered (for financial reasons) from CS in Pace Uni. which was a real program.
My persoanal experience:
Pace: decent/challanging CS program, few women in CS classes.
CUNY school I'm in now: 50+% women in CIS classes. The level of challange is non-existant. The instruction is SO pathetic in many clases (junior and senior level mind you) that I truly hate wasting my time (and money) on it.
Honestly, I look around and I see totally clueless individuals (mostly women) in my CIS classes (i.e. after 3+ years of study in the field.. they know as much as 'opening MS Word' (no *nix experience at all in that school, but that's another topic ;))
What I'm getting at here, is that I suspect that over time, as more women became inrolled in a program, they didn't really want to take the challange of, the STANDARDS were LOWERED. (not exclusively because of their increased enrollement, but it's a factor I think.)
As a background, I've been at that CUNY school for about 4 years now.. mostly part-time, as I've been working full-time in the industry.
Feel free to post questions and I'll clarify.. it's not yet 7am here :)
Serge
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Unity without respect to race is fundamental to our cause. This educational extermination of men began with minorities, but it hasn't stayed there.
What do other men here think? How do we break down the race barriers? How do we unite as a group that is threatened?
Most of the men, who post to this board, are white. I suspect this question will be lost somewhat, but I believe it is fundamental to the men's/fairness/decency/truth movement.
How do we unite with our brothers, whatever the color of their skin?
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"Most of the men, who post to this board, are white. I suspect this question will be lost somewhat, but I believe it is fundamental to the men's/fairness/decency/truth movement. "
This is huge for me Thomas. I have strong feelings for racial harmony. I would love to expand on this.
What I feel has happened , is feminists have turned minority groups against white men to help support their cause, my suspect is they will dump them as soon as they have the strength to do so.
I know the philosophy board doesnt think this is an issue I dissent with the beleif that feminism has divided us and called us (white men ) racists etc... Feminist have done it to everything they can saddle their bag too, "Women and children" "women and minorities" "women and the homeless" the list goes on. In the end you hear about women all the time. Which distorts the real veiw as its obviously and anti-male campaign by contrasting disign.
This will continue to be more difficult as long as they continue to legislate more hate crime and only publicize hate crimes perpetrated by white men rather than the reverse. Its this bullshit lobbying that is created most of the harm, not people's actual opinions.
Assuming all white men are racist is racist. I find myself attracted to women of all ethnic groups. Libertarian's are not racist by design it shouldnt be a problem I would think with many of the men here.
The trick will be in breaking down those myths, which just like destroying the myths of feminism they try to say we are misogynistic like wise they will say we are racist.
I think Racism is an important issue for Men's Activism. Im not advocating calling feminists the "real racists" I just think like all of their lies we should difuse them one by one. Feminists will soon turn into their own worst enemies for us. because hate begets hate .
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Dan Lynch
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What I feel has happened , is feminists have turned minority groups against white men to help support their cause, my suspect is they will dump them as soon as they have the strength to do so.
Quite honestly, Dan, I think you have hit upon one of the greatest truths about feminism. I have known and been saying this for a long time. With very few exceptions, white feminists are racist against blacks, black feminists are racist against whites.
We men need to unite across race lines. Whatever differences we have had in the past, we are all in the crosshairs today. We need each other.
Feminism and racism are fundamentally intertwined.
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"Feminism and racism are fundamentally intertwined."
Hate is intertwined with hate. Dont fall into its trap.
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Dan Lynch
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Hate is intertwined with hate. Dont fall into its trap.
Don't worry. I ain't.
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Absolutely. Any suggestion of racism should be rejected, as should homophobia. Let us not be tricked into assuming that certain groups which the feminists pretend to support and whose public leadership sometimes seems to be on the feminist bandwagon, are necessarily our enemies. They are all our potential allies.
This potential is more the theoretical. If you have read radical feminist fiction you will have seen that a common thread is the aspiration for a man-free world, to be achieved in the final analysis by the extermination of the male sex.
Such male allies as they use along the way, including the homosexuals, will be abandoned when they are no longer needed.
At the moment black males are distracted by racial rhetoric (and the easy availability of sexual partners). Most gays have given up on straight males in disgust.
cheers,
sd
Those who like this sort of thing
will find this the sort of thing they like.
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Any suggestion of racism should be rejected, as should homophobia. Let us not be tricked into assuming that certain groups which the feminists pretend to support and whose public leadership sometimes seems to be on the feminist bandwagon, are necessarily our enemies. They are all our potential allies.
The importance and truth of this cannot be over emphasized. We need each other and our division only serves those who would oppress and exterminate us. (And that is not an exaggeration.)
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The L.A. chapter of NCFM has two black men and one Latino. They understand father's rights issues first hand, more than most others. And there are men's rights groups that are mostly minority, such as My Child Says Daddy in L.A. But they can feel alienated from the men's rights movement when some members bring in left/right politics into the picture or when white-run groups dominate the discussion rather than playing like a team. Sometimes it's an overreaction and sometimes it's not. It's a matter of activley seeking each other out, working to understand each other and recognizing that we're on the same side.
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It's a matter of activley seeking each other out, working to understand each other and recognizing that we're on the same side.
Thanks for your insight, Marc. We have to be constantly aware of the need to break down the walls that separate us men as individuals and as groups. We need each other very much.
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Thanks for your insight, Marc. We have to be constantly aware of the need to break down the walls that separate us men as individuals and as groups. We need each other very much."
Agreed!!
Dan Lynch
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From Wendy McElroy's speech at the NCFM forum:
the savagery of sexual harassment laws and policies at universities where those accused have no presumption of innocence but must prove they are not guilty to committees that have power to ruin their careers and lives. The accused -- almost always men -- have no right to face their accuser or to question witnesses, no right to a lawyer or even, necessarily, to know the exact charges being brought against them. And the charges can be brought for nothing more than assigning the wrong homework, telling the wrong joke, asking female students tough questions or not asking them enough questions.
One of the typifying tales Patai offers is of an over-weight professor who, by all accounts, seemed popular and competent. In the middle of a lecture one day, a female student heckled him by calling out a comment about the extreme size of his chest. He observed that she had no similar problem and, then, continued with his lecture.
The student filed sexual harassment charges against him with the university. There was no allegation of battery or trying to exchange sex for better grades. The charges were based on the classroom incident. A witch-hunt followed. It was so extreme that the professor committed suicide. After which, in a press release, the university administration expressed its main concern: namely, that the Professor's death would not discourage other similarly "abused" women from "speaking out."
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In his book, "On Liberty", John Stuart Mill describes how an public education establishment is used by those in political power to establish social,political, and economic control by the same. In the USA, it is clear that our government is controlled, in large part, by gender feminists such that the education establishment promulgates their agenda. Here is the quote:
"A general State education is a mere contrivance for moulding people to be exactly like
one another: and as the mould in which it casts them is that which pleases the predominant power in the government, whether this be a
monarch, a priesthood, an aristocracy, or the majority of the existing generation; in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by natural tendency to one over the body. An education established and controlled by the State
should only exist, if it exist at all, as one among many competing experiments, carried on for the purpose of example and stimulus, to keep the others up to a certain standard of excellence. Unless, indeed, when society in general is in so backward a state that it could not or
would not provide for itself any proper institutions of education unless the government undertook the task: then, indeed, the government
may, as the less of two great evils, take upon itself the business of schools and universities, as it may that of joint stock companies, when
private enterprise, in a shape fitted for undertaking great works of industry, does not exist in the country."
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Here's an article showing how much more those with degrees earn than those without degrees in the UK. Note that between the ages of 41 and 50 graduates earn, on average, 71% more than those without degrees.
Now what I wonder is: When the feminists have driven all men from the colleges and universities, who's going to create the wealth and pay the taxes so the government can pay mothers (not fathers, of course) to stay home with their kids?
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This is especially interesting to me in light of something I recently became aware of at my school. I'm a few years out of high school and have been working and have decided to go back to school-community college and then transfer to a University. I was looking online to see if they have a program for re-entry students, something to help with the transition back to school. I was furious when I saw that they have a "Continuing Education Center for Women", but no "Continuing Education Center for Men". WTF?! My education isn't as important than a woman's? And isn't this blatanly sexist and illegal!? It says, "Long Beach City College welcomes women who wish to resume an interrupted education." What, they don't care about me? See for yourself. http://www.lbcc.edu/cat/continuewomen.html
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 02, @03:37PM EST (#49)
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I would suggest:
a) contacting the college department heads to inform them of your feelings regarding this blantant discrimination, and demand an explanation,
b) contact your senators and legislators, because it is your tax dollars that are supporting this,
c) write a few "letters to the editor" and send them to local news papers expressing your outrage,
d) find an alternative institution to spend your money at. Whatever you do, DON'T support this by spending your money there. Community colleges are a dime a dozen, and I'm pretty sure you could find one with less institutionalized discrimination.
e) last, please don't let this discourage you from getting an education elsewhere. Rather, see it as a reason to pursue one.
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Anon has some very good points, and they are, for the record, what this site is about -- Men's activism.
Doing 1 through 3 will probably take less than an hour and a half of your time if you focus, and you will feel far better after you have done it. You will have fought against oppression.
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I was looking online to see if they have a program for re-entry students, something to help with the transition back to school. I was furious when I saw that they have a "Continuing Education Center for Women", but no "Continuing Education Center for Men".
Yup.
isn't this blatanly sexist and illegal!?
Certainly sexist, probably illegal. Don't expect the courts to give a damn.
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