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Well, I put my two cents into this sexist publication, but I doubt they will listen to anyone not being "chivalrous" to the feminist way. Here it is:
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To Whom It May Concern:
How can anyone, feminist or non-feminist, say that the feminist movement is far from the finish line? The reason they can't see the finish line in the horizon is because they passed it a long, long time ago.
Martha Ezzard is, in essence, regurgitating propaganda N.O.W. has been drilling in the minds of Americans for years, and that song-and-dance is getting old.
Ezzard mentioned the MYTH that "women earn 70 cents for every dollar men make", yet failed to include the FACT that men work 97% of all overtime hours, and the study she is quoting conveniently failed to mention that.
She also mentioned that "Women constitute a meager 12 percent of the board membership of the nation's Fortune 500 companies". Well, does she have any statistics regarding the number of women who actually strive to become CEO of a large corporation compared to the number of men? I don't have any data on this, but I'm sure that the statistics will reflect the data she presented in the editorial.
Then she added the fact that "Women hold only 13 of 100 seats in the U.S. Senate", yet she failed to mention that the majority of voters are women. Last I checked, voters put those people in the U.S. Senate, and that means that women are voting for men as well as women. What ever happened to being elected to the U.S. Senate based on your qualifications as opposed to your gender?
Martha Ezzard is not interested in truth, but rather in flogging the dead horse that is feminism. Women have their equality, not to mention MORE rights in some cases, but yet people like Martha are blind to this. Hopefully common sense prevails, and people like Martha Ezzard acquire the title they deserve: "Man-hater".
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"Stereotypes are devices that save a biased person the trouble of learning."
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"...but rather in flogging the dead horse that is feminism."
Actually, I think it is we who are doing the flogging, but I don't think the horse is dead yet. I'm perfectly happy to keep flogging until the horse is not only dead, but carved and fed to the dogs.
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Here's mine:
To the Editor,
In her article of June 2, 2002, Ezzard claims that the feminist movement is far from over, and there is still much to be done. I guess Ezzard is referring to the removal of the remainder of husbands and fathers from their homes, even homes where the wives and mothers (and children) want them there. Perhaps she is referring to the further erosion of the rights of women to choose whether or not to work full time, rather than be compelled to by the dilution of their husbands’ income through “comparable worth” legislation. Perhaps, though, what she is really waiting for is the day when men are banished from society and have to beg for or steal books to get an education. She quotes Beth Rheingold, who says that, in Women’s Studies, that there is no litmus test to get a good grade. Ah, but there is: In order to get a good grade in Women’s Studies, one must buy the feminist dogma unwaveringly. It would appear that Ezzard got an A.
Sorry, folks. I couldn't fight the thirst for sarcasm.
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Actually, I think it is we who are doing the flogging, but I don't think the horse is dead yet.
Depends on how you look at it, I guess. I was referring to the issues feminism was born from, and how these "dead" issues keep returning so N.O.W. can receive government money for hating men.
"Stereotypes are devices that save a biased person the trouble of learning."
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yet failed to include the FACT that men work 97% of all overtime hours
Do you have a reputable source for this claim? Not that I'm doubting you, but it would be a very nice factoid to throw in somebody's face when they spout that figure.
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Do you have a reputable source for this claim? Not that I'm doubting you, but it would be a very nice factoid to throw in somebody's face when they spout that figure.
That factoid comes from a Glenn Sacks article from a while ago, I don't remember the exact date. If Sacks is reputable enough as a source, then there you have it. Otherwise, you could always ask Sacks where the info came from.
Hope this helps.
"Stereotypes are devices that save a biased person the trouble of learning."
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I do not think that efforts to reform the "Women's Movement" will be successful given the electoral power that they have and which they will use to give themselves preferential treatment. Rather, only some sort of political "revolution" brought about by dramatic external or internal events will correct the oppressive injustices brought about by the same.
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Are you suggesting cshaw that we "Lock and Load"?
:-)
Bankrupting the system is the only way
Dan Lynch
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'Saturday Morning Cartoons' have a better grasp on the situation than this woman. If I can ever find a copy of two particular episodes of PepperAnn I'll distribute them to the children of feminists, my brother-in-law's future children first.
The first I saw a 13-year-old girl gives an rousing speech to her mother's feminist group about how nobody really thinks men are better than women anymore and they could have a female president the next election if they actually worked towards it [and convinces the whole feminist group that they no longer have to whine about men]. Plus some nice side-bits about how it's equally wrong to discriminate against men as women.
The second the girl's younger sister tells her
TV-exec harassing aunt that she wouldn't care if TundraWoman, her favorite TV character, was a man or woman. To her, the character is admirable because of intelligence and courage, not because of gender - which, to her, is the way it should always be.
There are enlightened people out there, not just at IWF [did anyone notice how much the author mentioned Republican about them? They must be evil!] or here. This woman looks at the majority of women not calling themselves feminists as a bad thing, like since they don't, they must be barefoot, pregnant and chained to the stove. We can look at it as a beginning of equality, that the majority of women don't feel feminism needs to be in action any more. They don't feel they need to be automatically paid $.30 more than a man hired for the same job or be told a female senator will be better for them, no matter her beliefs or abilities. Perhaps they, like I finally got through my head awhile ago, found that feminism's purpose was to achieve equality between the sexes. It was achieved lawfully and for the vast majority of people socially. And if one is to look closely enough, they'll find many situations where the situation is reversed completely.
And speaking of Women's Studies, my mother feels it terribly important that I take some courses in the subject at the university I'll be attending eventually [2005 at earliest] - I'm considering, if she wants to pay for it I could be tempted to provide an opposing viewpoint, but would it really be worthwhile to boost enrollment for it? And if I try really hard I'll understand the culture of women around the world, right? *rolls eyes* Like you can escape learning about it in any other course about history, language, etc.
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What might be more worthwhile would be to enroll in a course each semester and then drop out after the first class. It might be costly though. Universities don't give full credit for withdrawal after the first full day of class. On the other hand, full time tuition is level when you take at least 12 but less than 18 credits at most colleges, so if your really wanted to take 15, you could sign up for one without exceeding 18 credits then drop out of it with no cost penalty. Make sure you exploit the opportunity to offer your opinion when they ask you why you want to drop the course.
Does your mom really understand what she is suggesting?
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I'm going to community college for two years, going to be a nurse, which has little to do with Women's Studies. My mom thinks it quite important I have a bachelors in something, so she's been hinting at paying for me to go to university for a second two years. She feels it quite important that I get some valuable Women's Studies courses while there. So, in a word, NO. She has little idea about current Women's Studies programs.
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Feminist movement far from finish line
By MARTHA EZZARD,
<<Dumb Bitch>>
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
First published: Sunday, June 2, 2002
The problem with the feminist movement, which conservative think tanks declare dead, is that it is an unfinished revolution.
<<They admit that the iwf babes "think", and let me add that their daughter site is called "shethinks"". Try going to the Ms. Boards and have some opposing opinions and see how long you will last there. Which means those on there are uneducated and indoctrinated. "revolution"?? blood thirsty words if you ask me.>>
Women still earn 70 cents for every dollar men make. Women constitute a meager 12 percent of the board membership of the nation's Fortune 500 companies. Women hold only 13 of 100 seats in the U.S. Senate. At the rate we're going, it will be at least 250 years before women achieve parity in corporate management and a thousand years before we are half of the Senate.
<<Maybe if she spent less time writing trite for the New York Times (which has lost all respect) she could be a senator or a Fortune 500 board member(which as far as I know you still have to work for to get, and even then its still a long shot). But as usual these people just want it handed over to them because they consider bitching all day "hard work". Lets all roll our eyes now. What scares me is, one day one of thes people will be voted in, and it won't be because they worked hard but it will be because they HATE and PROMISE to UNDERMINE an entire class or group of people, namely men and young boys. This will be their campaign platform you watch.>>
Despite the continued drumbeat to declare feminism finished, 65 percent of American women, according to a 1999 NBC News poll, still believe the country hasn't done enough to assure equality. Still, a majority of the women surveyed didn't consider themselves feminists.
<<NBC did a poll? wow why didnt you say so, man I was all wrong, what was I thinking. >>
Organizations like the Independent Women's Forum, headed by Nancy Ptofenhauer, formerly a National Republican Committee senior economist, have helped turn feminism into a negative word.
<<So whats the bad news? Could it be the constant negative approaches to dealing with problems namely the blame game, and constant political spin of negative imagery that has done this??? Based primarily on personal attacks and omitted stats and editorial slants in newspapers columns that could circle the earth dozens of times?? Next please.>>
Now, such reactionary groups want to discredit women's studies,
<<Really I thought they did enough of that themselves, and if it is so credible why does one have to sign a contract stating your willingness to be indoctrinated if its not just mere trite, like this article??>>
The latest IWF tirade is a pseudo-analysis of five texts used in some women's studies programs. The report's author, Christine Stolba, a senior IWF fellow, claims the books spread misinformation about such topics as research on women's health and the wage gap.
<<Tirade??? hmmmm you mean like this article?? By the way Martha, who edits your work??>>
Stolba says books such as "Issues in Feminism'' by Sheila Ruth fail to mention that many women choose to sacrifice compensation in exchange for flexible work arrangements. That trade-off is hardly the sole cause of the wage gap -- though the IWF, ironically, opposes extension of family leave legislation that benefits women and men with young children.
Another simplistic leap undergirds the conclusion that it's a myth that women haven't been sufficiently represented in certain clinical trials. Women, Stolba says, are now 60 percent of the subjects in National Institutes of Health clinical studies.
<<Funny how Martha left out the 60% survey of where women make up the majority of college and university goers>>
But women weren't adequately included in research on heart disease, the No. 1 killer of men and women, until Congress passed a bipartisan measure during the 1990s requiring inclusion. The effects of that lapse are still being felt. According to a recent American College of Cardiology report, "Women are half of the 4.7 million Americans who suffer heart failure but 62 percent of the fatalities.''
<<This simply means that men are dying from something else before cardiac arrest hits them hard enough to actually kill them, like suicide, cancer, liver disease,accidental death on the job, car acccidents, deaths doing things around the home.....>>
Women's studies professors at two Atlanta universities say the books Stolba randomly rips (she uses no discernible methodology) are not the mainstays of introductory courses.
<<Really, gee Im so relieved. You could probably ask any freshmen male on any campus in north america and he could tell you "they blame white men for everything". And by the way where do you get off dissin my girl Christine anyways?>>
Linda Bell, chairman of the Georgia State University Women's Studies Department, notes Stolba's omission of books by recognized women's studies authors, such as Rose Marie Tong and Alison Jagger, or black women scholars such as Spelman College professor Beverly Guy Sheftall, who wrote "Words of Fire.''
<<Ya so?? OH I get it, throw in a black woman to gain sympathy and to show that Christine Stolba is a racist and deserves no attention. Personal attacks after all other resources are gone huh?? By the way we havent forgoten about Frances Willard. Nice try dingbat, and another thing, Christine was one of few to dissent on "affirmative action" saying she felt it was necessary but had become overused, and used more as a political statement that its actual intention, much like your horseshit here>>
Women's studies courses are not devoted to turning out feminist activists, says Beth Reingold, who directs the graduate program at the Emory University Institute for Women's Studies. In fact, students of diverse political persuasions want to explore women's roles in global cultures. At the beginning of each semester, Reingold tells her introductory classes: "This is not about consciousness raising. There are no litmus tests to get a good grade.''
<<Really?! Then why the signature of non-dissent(funny I brought that up before), and Christine's main point, which Im sure you missed completely, is "what is it good for" , but Christine probably didnt realize people could sell shit like your article to the "New York Times" and make a living of it, her bad. But I guess opinion's over fact is where its at. A lesson Im learning all to well.>>
To claim, as the IWF report does, that women's studies push a radical agenda is like saying the right-to-life organization backs bombing abortion clinics, or fundamentalist Pat Robertson represents mainstream Christians.
<<Huh??>>
The IWF reports have convinced me that those of us still proud to call ourselves feminists need to muster new resolve to finish the revolution.
<<Really, then why the "my way or the highway" approach, why not deal with these issues with men?? Oh ya, solving the problem doesnt sell shit news papers>>
Martha Ezzard
<<dumb bitch>>
writes for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday June 05, @07:54PM EST (#9)
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Newspapers don't care what the readers think, as long as they can sell advertising. Complain to the advertisers. They are the ones who pay for the paper.
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"Newspapers don't care what the readers think, as long as they can sell advertising. Complain to the advertisers. They are the ones who pay for the paper."
For this reason I think that news stories publish and reel so many sexual assualts and domestic violence reports, its eye and ear catching. Get women's attention with graphic story that scares women (who spend most of the money) then insert ad here.
Such as "Young women rapped along path neighbors warned" then in the next breath "buy this soap for your skin"
Comapanies encourage this it sells their product, and women live in constant fear because of a marketing scheme.
Dan Lynch
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