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"Mass murder in the name of "fighting sexism" is no less uncool. No matter how grave the impact of the gender feminist's gender warfare is against men, violence is absolutely not the answer."
I think you have missed the point, subversive.
This incident with Marc Lepine is the very thing that has set things in motion, in canada anyways. Which I am sure helped model a few other places. The entire White Ribbon project is a total hate front and this has been going on for years. No one here is justifying his actions. What they are trying to get to is the truth. If we are to believe that hind site is 20/20 than perhaps this incident can actualy save lives.
Lepine's actions amplified the feminist agenda and these politicians made a perfect spin off of this tragic event. We dont know why Marc did what he did. And we certainly havent looked at why he was frustrated. What happened was stricter laws more unfair enforcement more discrimination against men, creating more friction between the sexes, more violence.
Marc Lepine does not speak for all men, but if he is the serious underdog that was claimed in that letter, then really its just evidence of an undeclared civil war.
Feminist take advantage of this in every single way they can to paint all men like him until we are like him. They push and push and push telling men that all they are is murderers and scum until eventually we are.
The courts cheat and discriminate men so badly taking away everything he has , let me tell you, a man with nothing to lose is a very dangerous man. Dont kid yourselves, this marc lepine thing needs to be addressed. I have been saying this for years.
They have gatherings and get men to sign admissions of guilt of violence against women, and make them swear that they will never do it again. Really what does this have to do with Marc Lepine and those women??
If you mistreat a dog enough and he bites you, do you blame all dogs? Should you even blame that dog?? Lets look into this and destroy it at its root.
What we need are more women as our allies against Feminism, dont forget this, if we are so out numbered, we will have to look for an army in unusual places Like Jesus said, "the poor, the blind, the crippled, the sick and women(mine) that will be our army". Remember feminism is an idea and idea's can be changed. Women are a rightfull birth group make company with them, learn about them find tactful ways of showing your side. We will have to tactfully negotiate for our rights.
We can destroy feminism from the base, with our sisters with our wives , with our girlfriends, our mothers turn them against feminism.
I have been studying war and fighting tactics for 21 years, So far Jesus is the best at building an army for his cause. If you want to avoid violence his teachings and guidance is superiour to Sun Tzu's and Nepoleon's combined. If the religeous aspect bothers you, then just look at it from a tactical standpoint for what we are trying to acheive here.
I still recomend 'Getting to Yes' as much as possible.
Dan Lynch: Martial Arts for the Modern World.
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I agree Dan. Even with the mention of Jesus's teachings, and I'm no Christian. Whatever course the tactic takes though, it can't happen soon enough. I wouldn't be that shocked if another 2-3 Marc Lepines crawled out of the ashes of thier lives that Feminism has made of them and took his direction. And dislike me for it if one must, but if it happened to Feminists, I wouldn't be sorry in the least. In fact, if I had any remorse, it would be for those men, that they had taken so much and just snapped.
Adam
Disclaimer: Everything I post is of course my own opinion. If it seems harsh, Feminazis just piss me off!
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Only 14 anti-male feminists died. Hardly a masacre. Many many more men have died for much more worthy causes. These women need to step up to the plate an make a sacrafice for what they believe in. Another 20 or so should have jumped in front of the pullets to same their comrades. Oh, wait, why would they do that, that would be heroic and malelike.
Anyway, I consider this man a hero who simply defended himself before backup troups got their.
I talk to people all the time that are just a step or two away from where this guy acted.
I don't support violence, but I know it's coming and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. Just wait and prepare.
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Scary hought, Really, Dan. But I agree it's inevitible, and perhaps necessary. I hope there is some way to get the WHOLE story out, though, not just the sanitized version that the feminist media approves of. If the Marc Lepine story helps with that alone, then we WILL have gained something from this posting.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday May 29, @10:49PM EST (#11)
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You are NUTS. Lepine murdered 14 innocent women, not "anti-male feminists". And to call Lepine a HERO is despicable.
There is NO WAY to defend the actions of Lepine. Yes, radical feminists are scum, but murder of women, even murder of radical feminists, is indefensible.
Lepine was a nutty guy who had some problems, none of which really had anything to do with women especially. He had an abusive father who beat his mother, and then the father left. His mother was emotionally distant. He never really had a girlfriend. He was lonely, sad, adrift. But a lot of people have that kind of family background and don't go on to kill, let alone kill 14 innocent people who have nothing to do with them.
The women, innocent women, who Lepine murdered were the LEAST likely types to be man-hating feminists. They were engineering students, women with brains, talent, ambition. NOt dreary, bitter, failed women. In my experience female engineers tend to be less likely to be feminists because it is a male environment and they choose it, and either like men or have to learn to get along with them.
Any "mens activist" who defends Lepine, rather than just feeling sorry for the lonely, sad man he was, and considers him a "hero", is as low as Dworkin, perhaps lower.
I haven't officially created an account here yet, but I am known on the 'net as nut/nutboy.
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"I haven't officially created an account here yet, but I am known on the 'net as nut/nutboy."
Well, nutboy. I think its getting obvious whats going on, men are more and more becoming frustrated.
And its not because they have distant fathers, in which case then why isnt the media blaming Lepin's childhood, no they are blaming men in general, and they are generalizing me as murders and rapists and whatever else, and including Trolls. As I found a nice little article Called "why women thank and men troll" like come on, holy tap dancing christ. And on second thought, I will show you what some of the women are posting on the MSeries board. I can gurantee you that , by saying I want to pump round after round after round in to co-workers and customers and feminists , it still wouldnt add up to what they are saying they want to do to men, and who they call heros. And I agree, this is wrong, but I also agree that its getting pretty bad out there. Men are fighting for the truth in court, and the courts, with the symbols of truth on the doors are saying "no", and the real reason is because politicians are selling men out for the vote. Great fuking planet, all these little Hitlers running around, and not enough ammo.
Guess what NUTBOY there are over 100 million guns in the USA, you want to bitch about what some guy put on a post, or do you want to difuse the inevitable bomb coming our way. We are trying to save lives if your smart enough to read through the lines.
And Im serious about that board at Ms. believe me if Marc Lepine was a Marcha they'd be having parades right now.;
Dan Lynch: Martial Arts for the Modern World.
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Some person with the guts to remain anonymous (!) wrote:
"Lepine was a nutty guy who had some problems, none of which really had anything to do with women especially. He had an abusive father who beat his mother, and then the father left....
The women, innocent women, who Lepine murdered were the LEAST likely types to be man-hating feminists. They were engineering students, women with brains, talent, ambition. NOt dreary, bitter, failed women."
The quality of the argument above is equal to the quality of the poster's courage.
Lepine's suicide note shows he had real political concerns. Since the media censored, and still censors, the expression of such concerns, revolutionary violence may seem to some to be the only alternative to suicide, alcoholism, drug addiction, or some other form of self-destruction by oppressed men.
This anonymous poster descends to the same slandering of Marc Lepine as the media does. It is almost certain that his mother abused his father almost equally. See http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm which shows that this is true for populations as a whole. However, people like this anonymous poster, and Marc Lepine's roommate, who was later a Socialist Party candidate, never even consider the research statistics on this matter. And Marc's father was wise to leave, because, if men retaliate when women abuse them, the women call the police, who promptly arrest the man !
There is no such thing as a "failed woman" in Western societies, because if they have a problem it is always the fault of some man, according to current fashions. Female Engineering students who got into a course only by means of Affirmative Action (i.e. anti-male discrimination) would be very likely to be extremely Feminist, because they would have to justify to themselves the corrupt favouritism they had profited by.
This does not justify killing them, unless the privileges of the nobility justified their being guillotined in the French Revolution, since women are the pampered aristocrats of the modern West.
The Next US President is a Batterer http://www.glennjsacks.com/is_there_a.htm Domestic Violence http://www.landwave.com/
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AU I'm not suggesting that the guy is a "hero" who ought to be beatified by the pope. What I AM suggesting is that his situation is FAR more common than the media would have us believe, and that, if in fact the motivation for his attack was exceedingly poor treatment by his mate/ the courts/ the media/ feminists in general and it can be documented, then his story is important. The key difference, I suspect, between Lepine and many divorced men who commit suicide is that Lepine took some other folks with him. A terrible crime no doubt. But the feminists used the Andrea Yates story to focus attention on post-natal depression. I see nothing wrong with exploiting Lepine's story to illuminate how the poor treatment of men by the system has these kinds of effects.
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If there were a female version of Marc Lepine the media would be pointing out that she did what she did because of some "battered female syndrome" that should be addressed by society so other females would not be driven to such extremes of self defense.
Was Marc Lepine a victim of a "battered man syndrome" that is not currently recognised by the powers that be?
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I could never guess, this is to bad. But people dont walk in a kill a bunch of people because they have an advantage over them. This is an act of total frustration, total anguish. If they stopped to look at this, they could make a difference. But as it stands there are to many people happy with their lives as is, many times the answers are obivious, its just the willingness isnt.
Dan Lynch: Martial Arts for the Modern World.
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If there were a female version of Marc Lepine the media would be pointing out that she did what she did because of some "battered female syndrome" that should be addressed by society so other females would not be driven to such extremes of self defense.
Well, I'm still not sure what good promoting this story does for us, and I'm a bit alarmed at the "rah! rah! yeah, go kill those evil feminists!" posts in the other thread, however I think Luek makes an excellent point here. I think describing Marc Lepine as a victim of "battered male syndrome" is insightful and helpful.
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You know, there was all sorts of anguish over Andrea Yates, and I think that the Marc Lepine story may well deserve the same kind of treatment. I know even fewer details than the rest of you folks, but it seems to me that if Lepine's history shows clear mental illness, then his story is newsworthy.
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A few points:
Good call with the "Battered Man Syndrome."
Though we have plenty of reasons to be angry, I think we should steer clear of statements that seem to support violence. I, too, think violence is coming if things don't turn around soon. In fact, we already have a great deal of violence in response to oppression of males, though it mostly takes the form of male suicide and is, therefore, largely shrugged off by society. Nevertheless, supporting violence will just backfire on us.
Finally, Warren Farrell reports on a female equivalent to Lepine in "The Myth of Male Power," where he states:
"ITEM. A man entered a classroom at the University of Montreal and killed female students. The incident made headlines throughout the world as an example of woman-hating. The Canadian government spent millions reeducating men in their attitudes toward women. At about the same time, a Chicago woman (Laurie Dann) shot five elementary school boys, poisoned food at two fraternities, burned down the Young Men's Jewish Council, burned two other boys in their basement, shot her own son, and justified her murder of an 8-year-old boy by claiming he was a rapist. Not a single headline or article summary pointed out that every person killed or wounded by the Chicago woman was a boy. No government spent millions reeducating women on their attitudes toward men."
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Excellent point, Thomas, about mass-murderer Laurie Dann !
The Next US President is a Batterer http://www.glennjsacks.com/is_there_a.htm Domestic Violence http://www.landwave.com/
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You can bet your sweet bippy that, when the esteemed Sen. Clinton tries to run for the Presidency that SOMEONE will look into this, and tongues WILL wag. There are REAL indications, witnessed by White house staff, that this was true, including several accounts of tirades that, I believe, have already shown up on print. One one tirade, the Worst, er... I mean First Lady blasted her way into one of her hubby's staff meetings and lambasted and insulted him over some "stupid" decision that he made, and if I'm not mistaken, Glenn cited at least one case where ole Slick Willie had to have makeup applied to hide a blackened eye.
While I MIGHT be willing to support a female President, Hillary Clinton is NOT an acceptable choice, and I hope that the men's activism community agrees with me on this, and further, I hope that we can all get together when the time comes to collect and publish accounts.
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