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Since they apparently arm them selves with spray paint, one should be properly attired in protective glasses and disposable clothing, carrying a small amount of paint thinner and cotton balls, and properly armed with pepper spray.
Humm. I would be more interested in seeing if they attack unprovoked. If so I'm down for pressing charges to shut them down.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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I'm in NYC. I'm not so sure I'd want to cross their path--alone. I'd go equally armed, however.
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I'm all for proper response. Coming at me spraying caustic chemicals is surely a definition of a clear and present danger, in anyone's book. I'd say the best counter would be to respond with appropriate force to counter their battery.
And I think that if they gang up sufficiently that lethal force is warranted, so be it. Let the chips fall where they may.
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I'd say the best counter would be to respond with appropriate force to counter their battery.
Make certain you know the self-defense laws in NYC before defending yourself. The feminist have been secretly weakening them where female-on-male violence is concerned in almost every state.
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Of course, we will talk about different ways of doing things to counter this group, but in the end, as always, we will do nothing about it. This is not an attack on anybody here, and I really do appreciate the activist intent of sites like this (that's why I'm still here), but I'm just frustrated at the general lack of any concrete action on the part of men's activists --including myself.
I just wish we'd get off our collective ass once and a while.
Brought to you by the sham mirrors.
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Well, AFG, since at the moment I find myself unemployed, I would be quite willing to take the train to NYC one day to challenge this offensive. I won't go alone, of course, but if there are any other enterprising souls out there similarly inclined, I'd be happy to coordinate with them. The missing element is how do we find out with enough notice about when and where these things are going down.
As a side note, it seems to me that the most devoted activists are folks who don't have full-time work obligations, families, or mortgages. These folks come in two flavors: housewives and college students. We're not going to recruit too many housewives to THIS enterprise, so we better go out and recruit college students.
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I've just graduated university, and I'm taking a year off before going back to school again (or finding a career), so I'd be willing and able to take a little trip down to NYC myself.
Brought to you by the sham mirrors.
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You guys might consider contacting the NY chapter of the NCFM. Like L.A., they're a new chapter and only have about 5 members right now. But they might be interested in organizing something as they've done before. Their director is Peter Allemano at palleman@cravath.com, or (212) 664-1876.
http://www.ncfm.org
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"but I'm just frustrated at the general lack of any concrete action on the part of men's activists --including myself."
I share this sentiment, but it's not true of everyone. There's things happening in CA, in NH and elsewhere. You're right that there's not enough. But if you say none of us are doing anything, you're mistaken.
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Of course, we will talk about different ways of doing things to counter this group, but in the end, as always, we will do nothing about it.
This forum is a great place to talk about men's issues that unite all of the different activist groups, and you are right that talk with no action is useless. To experience action end of men's activism I suggest joining a local men's activist group of your choice. It does work, the effort is expanding, we are organizing, we are gaining in our power to influence the public, and we are having an impact.
I can assure you that we scare the hell out of these feminist extremists. We don’t need millions of members to change the culture. We only need a few dedicated and well-organized activists that support the men’s movement. That is all it takes to get the radicals running scared and seeking cover. I’ve already seen this when I showed up in Palm Spring where there was a lesbian feminist rally. When they found out I was a male activist they were visibly shaken. They do talk about us, and they are strategizing to work against our efforts. They actually believe their own lies about men wanting to enslave them. It is really quite pathetic. So I can assure you that, your help and influence will be felt if you become active in a men's group.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Have a look at their website. There's an email adress
there for "further information". If someone
were to write it pretending to be an upset girlie
I'm sure they'd find a mailing list hidden there.
Those who like this sort of thing
will find this the sort of thing they like.
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The thing about this group is that they are actually "looking for" men to humiliate. It would seem to me that rather than work towards ending street harassment, they only want to perpetuate it. I could imagine one of the women dressing up in sexy clothing and walking up and dowen the same street -- much like a higher-end prostitute -- waiting for a guy to even just look her way. And when he does, and when she calls "code red", her little feminist friends, hiding behind a corner, will reveal themselves, humiliate the man, and then go back into hiding -- only to do it again. If they "actively" go looking for sexual harassers, they will find them -- thus, only perpetuating the problem.
This leads to another problem: What constitutes sexual harassment? I could imagine these over-zealous feminists so pumped-up from their last "kill" wanting to pounce on any man who is not walking with his eyes staring at the sidewalk.
Perhaps we should start a website exposing women who 1) grab my ass, 2) slap my ass, 3) stare me down, 4) yell obscene stuff at me... All this has happened before, but as a man, I'm supposed to take and, and think it is cute!
Brought to you by the sham mirrors.
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by Anonymous User on Monday May 20, @11:48PM EST (#14)
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The brave AFG wrote:
I could imagine one of the women dressing up in sexy clothing and walking up
and dowen the same street -- much like a higher-end prostitute -- waiting for a guy to
even just look her way.
Dressing (and acting) provocatively is part of
their act. From my previous readings of these
women's output signs that a man is sexually
harassing include touching, "lewd gestures",
obscene, suggestive or personal remarks, whistling,
lip licking, staring, and even "the sharp intake
of male breath".
So just looking is OK, just keep your mouth
shut, your hands still and keep it brief.
sd
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Let's see, now. Where is the line that I shouldn't cross?
If a woman walks toward me and I look up at her face but do not make eye contact, is it harassment?
If we fail to make eye contact and my eyes fall to the ground and look at a badge or a nametag or at some piece of jewelery on her chest, is that harassment?
If we DO make eye contact and I nod casually, is that harassment?
If we make eye contact and I smile at her, is that harassment?
Is it harassment if I lick my lips on a rainy day? How about on a sunny day? If licking my lips is a potential harassment mode, must I do so in a particular manner? Or have I harassed her if my lips are just dry?
Is it harassment if I say "Hello" ?
Is it harassment if I ask the time or if I comment on the weather?
Is it harassment if I glance at her bosom?
Is it harassment if I look at her navel ring?
Is it harassment if I offer her a casual and polite compliment on her attire or her jewelery?
Is it harassment if I inquire if her breasts are real or augmented?
Is it harassment if I ask her to have dinner or a drink with me?
Is it harassment if I ask for her phone number?
If we failed to make eye contact, is it harassment if I look at her back as she passes?
Is it harassment if my look lingers around her derriere? Or her legs?
Is it harassment if I whistle, or if I draw in my breath quickly?
Is it harassment if I cast an explicit comment on her shape?
Is it harassment if I ask her for sex?
Clearly, there is a line. Where it is depends on the individual.
Is it okay to make such a comment to a prostitute? Clearly the prostitute would say yes. How, then, are we to tell the difference? Is there a difference? Or is it just a matter of price?
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"Have a look at their website. There's an email adress
there for "further information". If someone
were to write it pretending to be an upset girlie
I'm sure they'd find a mailing list hidden there.
Those who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like."
Thanks for the idea, but I think I'm going to email them about what I've experienced as a guy, and ask them how i should deal with it.
Of course, they will respond that men don't live in fear every day of their lives and so on....
Brought to you by the sham mirrors.
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Need I say more,
So here are these women walking around trying to get men to look at them. Fucking idiots, they really need to get a life.
Like somebody sue these women or something. They are out their encourageing the guy (whose side of the story we dont have) to make comments and whistles, and then he does it, thinking she is the one "initiating a sexual encounter", following her lead.
Please someone tell these people to go sell crazy someplace else.
You know the women at iwf think that Chivelry is the answer to this.
Dan Lynch: Martial Arts for the Modern World.
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It seems every year (every month, every week?) fewer and fewer women are willing to identify themselves as feminists. As more women with functional gray matter desert the sisterhood, the concentration of lunatics among the "feminists" will continue to increase. Before long feminists may well be the laughing stock of the world.
Well, I can hope.
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Hell is paved with good intentions.
All those guys unfairly treated by this uprisal, might laugh a little latter on.
Dan Lynch: Martial Arts for the Modern World.
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First off they tend to misrepresent the facts a bit. (typical of gender fems)
The case where men assuaulted women in NY last year was well known and seen on news around the country (even here in OR) and guess who rescued these women from the jerks in the crowd? MEN! guess who filmed the acts so they were later arrested and brought up on charges? once again men! It is very interesting that they failed to mention this little fact, but not surprising since it would not help them to justify violence against men.
As for thier attempts in "reverse-harrassment" I find them dangerous and childish. No rational person would consider someone looking at another person on a public street as they walked by harrassment. Physical gestures are a similar case where unless they are considered threatening or provoking they should just be ignore. Verbal comments again are easily ingnored on a street setting when it is easy for the individuals to move away from a threating situation.
Finally if eight women surrounded me suddenly on the street for some perceived harrassing action on my part I would feel PHYSICALLY threatened and be justified in reacting to protect myself. By encouraging this behavior they are asking for trouble from someone who might have a gun and decide that he was being attacked by a mob.
Once again it seems like a typical feminist over-reaction to a situation.
Tony
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If these bimbos step in front of me like that, they're gonna get their faces filled with pepper spray, and they should be damn thankful that I'm not related to Bernard Goetz.
Frank
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In these cases, I think we are more than justified in using violence.
These women initiated the sexual encounter, I mean they went out to lure men to cat call to them.
Why are they surprized it happend?
Hours went by before anyone said anything, so they started to pick their targets, and walk by them, making eye contact with them, flirting with them.
If some girl winks at me and blows a little kiss, I get the impression she wants to make contact with me.
Dan Lynch: Martial Arts for the Modern World.
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Tony, in the interest of equal treatment and with deference to Dan...use shorter paragraphs for gawds sake! LOL! ;-)
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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