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Ya there was never a doubt in my mind about the c.i.a. , even the F.B.I. continually war with with them, although it's rarely talked about. But why would the C.I.A. want to hurt men? The C.I.A. are masters of strategy and if they did anything it was for distraction from something else. As for Gloria, women are not like fish, many women LIKE to ride bikes, just for the sake of riding a bike. Dan Lynch,
Dan Lynch
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Criminal conspiracy may be defined as an agreement to pursue an unlawful objective. Generally, in criminal law, the prosecutor must prove commission of an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy (U.S. v. Shabani).
Article III;Section 3.,Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution defines treason as:" Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies,giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
To really further an investigation pursuant to hypothetical claims in this article Probable Cause must be established such that "The facts and circumsances sufficient to warrant a reasonable person to believe it is more likely than not the proposed arrest or search is justified." (4th Amendment to U.S. Constitution). Probable cause requires trustworthy evidence that 1. The suspect committed the crime 2. The violation has been committed. The standard for probable cause is "The Totality of the Circumstances " (Il v. Gates).
It is clear to me that there is no "probable cause" that a crime has been committed nor that the CIA nor that Steinhem committed a crime. However, there is a "reasonable suspicion", based on the article, that one was committed by both such that further investigation is warranted to determine if "probable cause" does, in fact, exist."Reasonable suspicion" may be defined as " It must be based on specific and articulable facts, which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrant intrusion."
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Why would the CIS want to hurt men?
A retorical question. Like no question in Vietnam, known back then by some, including the military, as a CIA war.
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battlefields
Suncat,
You missed the link for battlefields...:)
So, I'm adding it below. Click on this!
BattleFields
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One of the best books about the CIA is "The Secret Team" by Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who was Chief of Special Operations (clandestine activities) with the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff during the height of the Cold War.
He held the post of Focal Point Officer, first for the Air Force, and then for the entire Department of Defense with the CIA. These duties involved the military support of the clandestine activities of the CIA.
One of his statements in his book's introduction is, "It is time to face the fact that true national sovereignty no longer exists."
Also on Gloria Steinem & CIA Funding http://www.cia-on-campus.org/surveil/steinem.html
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by Anonymous User on Thursday March 21, @06:14PM EST (#3)
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Anyone that has tracked the abuses of our liberty for the sake of some feminist ideal here over the past few years knows that there is truth in the following:
Feminists relentlessly advance the idea that our inherent male and female characteristics, crucial to our development as human beings, are mere “stereotypes.” This is a vicious calumny on all heterosexuals, 95% of the population. Talk about hate! Yet it is taught to children in elementary schools! It is echoed in the media. Lesbians like Rosie O´Donnell are advanced as role models.
All of this is calculated to create personal confusion and sow chaos among heterosexuals. As a result, millions of American males are emasculated and divorced from their relationship to family (the world and the future.) The American woman has been hoodwinked into investing herself in a mundane career instead of the timeless love of her husband and children. Many women have become temperamentally unfit to be wives and mothers. People, who are isolated and alone, stunted and love-starved, are easy to fool and manipulate. Without the healthy influence of two loving parents, so are their children.
Feminism is a grotesque fraud perpetrated on society by its governing elite. It is designed to weaken the American social and cultural fabric in order to introduce a friendly fascist New World Order. Its advocates are sanctimonious charlatans who have grown rich and powerful from it. They include a whole class of liars and moral cripples who work for the elite in various capacities: government, education and the media. These imposters ought to be exposed and ridiculed.
Women´s oppression is a lie. Sex roles were never as rigid as feminists would have us believe.
Very profound. Very true. I'm glad someone has addressed the truth.
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There's a book out called "The New Thought Police: Inside the Left's Assault on Free Speech and Free Minds" by Tammy Bruce. Bruce is a lesbian who's fed up with the NOW gang and their tactics, and she's apparently pretty fed up with GLAAD and others as well. Amazon has this book on a special deal when you buy it with Goldberg's "Bias." The reviews on Amazon are largely positive and come froma good cross-section of genders as best I can tell. I may well add this to my "must read" list.
Frank
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Bruce apparently did a terrible job on her domestic violence statistics, however, citing the same feminist lies that have been spread for decades.
I'm glad you mentioned she's a lesbian. I have at least two lesbian activists who have offered strong support for my men's activism. One of them works in the DV field and badgers the County all the time about why they are ignoring male victims, both gay and straight, and why their statistics on male victims are innaccurate.
It's important that the gay community feel welcomed by the men's rights movement and not repelled by it. Few things can ferret out feminist hate better than when both conservatives and liberals, gay and straight, become educated enough to see through feminist chauvenism and begin challenging them openly about it. For that reason and others, I do not agree with everything in this article, such as the use of Rosie O'Donnel's sexual orientation as a reason for suggestion she should not be a role model. If she's not a good role model, it has nothing to do with her sexual choices in my opinion, and to suggest so is almost as hateful as the misandry that gender feminists have been spreading for years about men.
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I do not agree with everything in this article, such as the use of Rosie O'Donnel's sexual orientation as a reason for suggestion she should not be a role model. If she's not a good role model, it has nothing to do with her sexual choices in my opinion, and to suggest so is almost as hateful as the misandry that gender feminists have been spreading for years about men.
Good point Marc, we shouldn't start stooping to personal attacks, but it is important to realize that children are being politically ratified to idealize themselves as such. These rolemodels that teachers use is a constant mind conditioning for someone growing up. What I'm saying is we have to question their motives. The same as we have to question hardline propaganda that either suppresses information or bolsters stats to gain an unethical advantage. Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Thursday March 21, @10:00PM EST (#7)
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I disagree with your post. Rosie O'Donnel has always been aware of her sexual orientation. She has been marketed to stay at home women/wifes with children to soften the meaage of her agenda. She has always kept her hidden agenda mixed in with her show. Now that she is out the logical conclusion that a follower/fan of hers could reach would be - this alternative lifestyle is OK.
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I have no problem with a message like that. 99% of the relationships on TV are heterosexual even though the percentage of relationships that are same-sex in the population is higher, probably much higher, than that. I wouldn't want my children overbombarded with messages that say only one sexual orientation - heterosexuality - is OK and the rest should be supressed and hidden from our children because in reality it somehow is bad. Of course this is getting way off topic. My main point is that no matter what our position on homosexuality, there is a need for a men's right smovement that does not alienate people who are gay but instead respects all people and unites them under the cause of men's rights and ending discrimination against men.
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O'Donnel's sexual orientation as a reason for suggestion she should not be a role model. If she's not a good role model, it has nothing to do with her sexual choices in my opinion, and to suggest so is almost as hateful as the misandry that gender feminists have been spreading for years about men.
Good point. With O'Donnel being the poster girl that people luv to hate, that piece nearly got buy me. Thanks for pointing that one out.
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Well thought, Anon,
"Feminism is a grotesque fraud perpetrated on society by its governing elite"
The CIA was direcly born from the OSS. Like both, the OSS was composed of the elite from the Establishment (their spelling, including with a capital "T").
All the top of the OSS-CIA are elitist New Englanders, and more specfically they are those Tories against which the Revolutionists fought.
Unfortunately, they long ago did an end-run on the Revolutionist's U.S Constitution, over 100 years ago, and have been in charge since. Like they say, the rest is history, and in the making.
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...I don't know, conspiratorial. I remember it being posted somewhere else and the general concensus was that Dr. Makow was paranoid.
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I had an email exchange with Makow some time back. The man really didn't give me any indication that he was anything other than an angry white male using his professional credentials to enable him to grind his axe and sound off in a major conservative forum. Specifically, when I mentioned the notion of cooperation with other men to acheive a stronger power block, his manner was insulting.
Paranoid? I dunno; I'm not a pshrink. But as far as I'm concerned, the man is of little use and is of even less help.
Frank
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Yes, the old CIA conspiracy angle has been overdone in the last 30 or so years.
Or perhaps I have too recently seen A Beautiful Mind...
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I'm with you. This is X-Files material. It's on the same level as the notion that the NSA invented the AIDS virus to wipe out the black population. It requires too great a stretch of the imagination, and invites incredulity by the simple fact that such consipracies are almost impossible to hide. Too many people would have to be involved, with too much opportunity for exposure.
I think these kinds of theories are no credit to the men's movement and we ought to disavow such crack-pot notions...so we can get down to the business of real-world activism and changing things we can control right here on planet earth.
It almost hearkens back to the Germaine Greers and Andrea Dworkins of the world, who liken the patriarchy to an intricate network of "sexual secret police". It defies common sense to focus our energy on the CIA, which is almost entirely male in the first place, and devoutly conservative in the second.
The truth is out there...
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>It defies common sense to focus our energy on the >CIA, which is almost entirely male in the first >place, and devoutly conservative in the second.
Yeah, well, when the black helicopters are circling over YOUR house.... ;)
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BLACK HELICOPTERS:
Our small city has a municipal airport, which only serves private aircraft (the sparse regularly-scheduled flights use the county-regional airport). The muni airport is out of town, on a road well off the old highway where rice fields used to thrive.
May 4, 1994, I drove past --almost-- taking a look beyond the perimeter fence, stopping at the sight of two black helicopters on the field. Different configurations but same kind of helicopter.
One had several big storage-looking pods (like adenoids) wrapped around the top of the cabin.
The other did not have these, but it had a gun mounted beneath the bottom at least 18" gap between the cabin and the top of the gun barrel. I thought that in order to safely land, the gun had to be retracted into the belly of the bottom. The size of the gun appeared to be around a 50-caliber military automatic rifle, which is fed by an extremely long belt, a string of cartridges, unraveling from out of it’s ammunition shipping crate or from out of an external storage bin.
(This is no shoulder weapon: an awesome gun and fire power, and NO comparison to portable or handheld weapons of similar caliber. The cartridge of the large military versions, depending upon configuration, are perhaps 6 and 7 inches long, driven by a fat diameter shell casing containing an enormous load, plus powder typically in every fifth-round as a red tracer. When the gunner squeezes the trigger & holds, the bullet-stream appears like a firehose discharging from the nozzle, delivering the slugs within perhaps a six-inch pattern at 1100 yards. It is literally as if you were maneuvering a straight-trajectory firehose, sweeping it around at will over the landscape. The fire-rate is so high, it appears as a bright-red solid stream as if you were connected with your target. And this is a SPECTACULAR sight at night, a stream of continuous fire flowing from gun barrel to target. When using the 50-cal in conjunction with a far-larger main gun, you direct the fire-stream until it strikes your target; then you trigger the main gun, which strikes RIGHT-ON the same target, within 1-foot or less at 1100 yards. This combination is designed as a tank’s #1 mortal ground or short-range airborne enemy. Hence, the tank will ignore another tank in order to take-out this combo first--or else the tank is destroyed. Either way, one of the two opposed teams will be dead in ten-seconds or less. An ultimate adrenaline-rush is exploding a fresh tank from the inside-out like a can--on the target-range.)
So, even in a helicopter carrying heavy weapons, there is REAL & threatening firepower. And a copter is now a hell-of-a-copter, capable of carrying heavy loads, and the newer ones can maneuver well, too. On a personal basis at a bike rally, I met the Captain (& his wife) of a nuclear-powered gunboat out of Alameda Air Station. The Beast can fly sideways & upside down, and change fast. How? Beats me! But that’ll return your lunch fast. The newer rotary-wings are the ultimate compromise of speed, maneuverability, and yet access low-altitude tight spaces like the old ones. These airships are perfect air-to-ground-control police-action authorities.
Their large-50-caliber ALONE, is a street-sweeper & tree-chopper. (the reason that these guns are located lower or underneath the cabin; while the air-to-air defense is primarily rockets--these are not higher-altitude fighters, support fighters are responsible for that protection).
To continue at the airport:
We were at the inner-fence watching these two helicopters. Standing around the copter that never took off, was gathered a group of four to six people, in military-type uniforms. But otherwise not identified by brass that I could see, in fatigues, appearing to be in plain cloth only.
The other helicopter went airborne as several of us watched. One standing with me was a young man working for the airport, who became interested and ran outside when the gunship took off. Once the copter was 100’ up as if pausing, then it MOVED! The young employee instantly gushed, "It took OFF straight up!"
I asked, and he then told me that it was an APACHIE helicopter.
NO MARKINGS-- that I could see at 400 feet, When it took off & turned away from us at an angle, I could see the other side of the copter and the entire top going away from us -AND there were NO MARKINGS visible from that perspective either.
BLACK -- best I could tell being partially color-blind. Possibly dark-dark brown or extremely dark green, but when sun came thru clouds, both copters really appeared BLACK then.
FLAT BLACK -- there is no doubt that the finish is a dull or burnished finish, which gives confusion as to whether it is black or dark brown for example.
EVIL LOOKING -- even trying to keep an analytical stance: no markings, black, relatively quiet taking off, the only dominant sound being that of the typical copter type blade cutting air. As it turned away from me, I saw the back end of what was much like looking at a revolver filled with five to six bullets. Except instead of bullets, there was a flame in each chamber. The flame did not shoot out, but just appeared internal to the machine. Then looking at it going tail end away from me, it appeared as a sleek man-o-ray, cutting the air much like this ancient creature cuts water, its tail swishing slightly this way and that. (it’s silent, fast, yet almost leisurely; it’s well stabilized & controlled)
INTIMIDATION - there is no doubt that these gun ships are threatening. “MY IMMEDIATE IMPRESSION IS DARTH VADER.” (that sentence & the verb-tense, are from my notes made just after the actual event)
Talking with the young man and another airport employee afterwards, I understood that these ships were owned by a local air service, and I was told its name. Now, that didn’t make since. This is a pissy little field, maybe 25 aircraft out there total. And that is a LOT of expensive equipment in just the two war ships which are obviously not crop-dusters. Unmarked. One with a huge dual set of ‘adenoids’. And armed. And the uniformed but unmarked crew.
No unmarked civilian aircraft that I’ve ever dealt with or could imagine, would be allowed to access any public airport--nor fly airspace. Unmarked? What do they tell the air controllers--there or elsewhere? ‘This is John Doe requesting a landing? Or a flight path?’ (then again, armed & threatening like that, maybe John Doe is permission enough. Who is going to question? Like an 800# gorilla, you smile & hold out your banana.)
Regardless of who owns them, or just what their purpose, black helicopters do exist.
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Nazgul wrote:
"This is X-Files material. It's on the same level as the notion that the NSA invented the AIDS virus to wipe out the black population.
It requires too great a stretch of the imagination, and invites incredulity by the simple fact that such consipracies are almost impossible to hide. Too many people would have to be involved, with too much opportunity for exposure."
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My take on the subject above:
Start stretching the imagination some. The sun is no longer the center of the universe, like the Earth was prior to that... the entire Holy Roman Empire knew these facts, God no less, was behind them. So Copernicus, then Galileo had to go godless, and stretch their imagination using true belief--including in themselves.
I WILL STATE THIS MORE FIRMLY Without stretching the imagination, you don’t have a prayer or a clue at finding reality. Worse, without imagination stretched like a rubberband to your breaking-point, you have no prayer even coming close to IMAGINING reality.
As to the claim, “It requires too great a stretch of the imagination, and invites incredulity by the simple fact that such consipracies [sic] are almost impossible to hide. Too many people would have to be involved, with too much opportunity for exposure."
I too, used to believe in this one, until my continuing education.
The Manhatten Project was such a massive effort that just to start with it, 5000 of the top scientists in the world were in one multinational swoop, snatched from their job, research & homes, and disappeared to where or what no one knew, including spouses. And they evaporated for several years, some long ‘vacations’ & sabbaticals. Perhaps 50,000 other people followed the first wave of the best international scientists.
Well, this impossible dream was about to be dropped upon our stark reality, which reality was the origin of the term "brain drain". Sucked the free world dry of the best & best known, the most public & visible. All of our brains sucked down Alice’s rabbit hole in Wonderland for X-File years.
Einstein writes in his collection of personal essays, that not even he was aware of the Manhatten Project. Guess that E=MC squared had been enough imagination & he deserved a break in his in his pursuit.
How would one know that the government or anyone could keep secrets, if they had done so, successfully?
Instead of ‘truth’ becoming more self-evident with our more modern communication, it has become even worse than those draining times. Because we now depend upon the major media to tell us the truth & determine reality. If you can't stretch to that truth, look at what in real fact, what we buy as reality thru our communications' marketing.
As anyone knows who lives in a small isolated tribe, or in a small U.S. town, it’s harder to keep a secret there; and much easier to keep a secret in a large city. And further, easier to confuse reality in large cities, the larger the society becomes.
911 POLITICAL REALITY:
Here’s a test of modern day communications, which should test your reality, and that which ‘we all know for certain’. Look at only the latest ‘reality’ in the real Manhatten... 9-11 the latest.
In the highest civilian security zone & the highest military security zone on Earth, a zone that a Piper Cub CAN NOT enter (meaning special permission only by visual observation & voice request & ID over radio to the zone control tower--I have been thru this many times sitting in the right-hand seat while requesting-- if you do get permission, then you are given path/level instructions to maintain)
A big bird flies into this airspace and may be noticed. That is the most intense air corridor in the world, Boston to Virginia. How many flights daily year after years, and how many up there any given time simultaneously--just the regularly scheduled civilian flights? Then add the most concentrated military usage corridor; toss-in heavy demands of private & corporate flights. If the controllers couldn’t normally keep up with where flights were at any given instant, then we would have been dialing 911 daily for decades.
The story of 4-jumbo jets laden with passengers each, off-flight-plan 90 & 180 degrees, for more than an hour, flying in the unfriendly skies doing wheelies------stretches even MY imagination.
The reality of this conspiracy could have little more dramatic proof. Who conspired is far less certain. Regardless of even that, what’s real clear too, is that someone really screwed-up in what should be the MOST secure of all areas. If they can’t keep up with four rebel birds gone berserk, each the size of Bill Gates’ house, we can expect more mistakes, no matter how many of us peons are strip searched.
So far as “conspiracy”, power, THE Establishment, the established order of all societies, and government: Americans seem to be one of the last species on Earth who do not assume conspiracy & government are interlocking by definition.
For example above in the first Manhatten Project: Should you have in reality, de-facto, stumbled upon firm proof of where the brains had disappeared? Answer: Who knows? Because you would have evaporated also.
AS FAR AS THE X-FILES GO--AND WILL GO LEADING INTO THE FUTURE:
The bets by the best innovative thinkers now on Earth, probably range from an active open-mind, to that of belief that X-Files are THE reality. No one is sure of the version or segment of The Files, not that I know of. No matter, we are all a Global Society sitting together on Earth, watching our global screen for the next series, next season.
I have no idea how many Nobel laureates are placing bets on their particular segment of the X-Files. But my bet is quite a few, if not most laureates who have taken time to intelligently speculate on such. Now that we Earthlings have rescheduled our time-table of evolution, many of the smartest are imagining that humans JUST DIDN’T have enough time to evolve, by leaving the job entirely to mindless evolution unassisted.
As with an older ‘certainty’ which has long gone to myth, we didn’t just appear from nothing with the wave of a magic wand by “spontaneous generation”. Meaning by appearing from nowhere in an enclosed bell jar just because we swore the lid was sealed shut and the jar empty to start--at least the jar was empty, our eyes told us so. The microorganism inside were hardly concerned with what we believed or saw or not.
Hence once again, our imagination & extrapolation are going to have to assist our eyes.
Example here, with several Nobel thinkers who are most often credited with the groundbreaking discovery of the double-helix, one of them is Francis Crick (a man I admire, who btw, was as hardcore of an evolutionist as Earth has created). Crick even created a scientific society to study this issue imaginatively.
EARTH WAS SEEDED, OUR ORIGINS & GENES:
“Leslie Orgel and I, while attending a scientific meeting on communicating with extraterrestrial intelligence (CETI) held near Yerevan in Soviet Armenia in September 1971, had hit on the idea that perhaps life on Earth originated from microorganisms send here, on an unmanned spaceship, by a higher civilization elsewhere. ... We called our theory directed panspermia. Panspermia, a term first used by the Swedish physicist Svante Arrhenius, in 1907, is the idea that microorganisms drifted to the Earth through space and seeded all life on Earth. We used ‘directed’ to imply that someone had deliberately sent the microorganisms here in some way.” --Francis Crick, “What Mad Pursuit”, p 148
Humans come from a recent & identical stock (gene origin).
HUMAN EVOLUTION IS YOUNG The Scientist 01-07-2002
“SNPs reveal that Homo sapiens is a young species, with so little time having elapsed since origin that humans are what Venter calls "virtual identical twins."
"The amount of variation in the human population is way less than expected for a population of 6 billion," concurred Andrew Clark, a professor of biology at Pennsylvania State University, indicating a rapid expansion.”
“Most of today's variation is the very same variation we walked out of Africa with. We are an extremely closely related species," said Lander.
“There were three to four times the number of differences between two random chimps than two random humans," he said. And despite the fact that one gorilla or orangutan might look much like any other to humans, they too are more variable.”
http://www.the-scientist.com/yr2002/jan/lewis_p16_ 020107.html
Sound like Adam & Eve? Use your imagination. That’s exactly what some of those scientists who are onto the latest information mean. Except in this case, God worked thru his little chil’en; and this particular species of his agents, happen to be from outer space.
NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR SPACE TRAVEL? DISTANCE TOO GREAT?
First, in larger & smaller, there is the same. There is hardly less or more space in outer space, than there is space between the ‘physical’ components of an atom. The universal knowledge expands, and has again lately. Newton’s astounding discovery of reality, if described in only the most popular ‘end’ reality, was D=RT. Einstein’s best known is E=MC2. The former was (& is) true WITHIN its OWN subset of more comprehensive & expanded reality. Ditto with Albert’s expanded reality & imagination on Newton, now proving to be yet another subset of an even greater universe.
Hints of expansion came thru again the last several years, indication that as with Newton’s expanded ideas into thermodynamics, Every reaction has an opposite and equal reaction. However, the latest expansion shoot past Einstein’s E=MC2 limitation of time & space. That not only do elements of the universe react upon one another; further, they react upon all the elements meaning each other; further, they do so simultaneously & INSTANTLY.
Adios, Newton & Albert, we’re shooting to even bigger realities, and for the stars. Again, physics does not REALLY care what we believe or see or not.
The Earth is no longer the center of the universe. Nor our center of imagination.
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ALICE & THE QUEEN
“That’s the way it’s done,” the Queen said with great decision: “nobody can do two things at once, you know. Let’s consider your age to begin with --how old are you?”
“I’m seven and a half, exactly.”
“You needn’t say ‘exactly’, the Queen remarked. “I can believe it without that. Now I’ll give you something to believe. I’m just one hundred and one, five months and a day.”
“I can’t believe that!” said Alice.
“Ca’n’t you?” the Queen said in a pitying tone. “Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.”
Alice laughed. “There’s no use trying,” she said: “one ca’n’t believe impossible things.”
“I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
---from “Through The Looking-Glass”, Lewis Carroll (companion to "Alice in Wonderland")
Charles Dodgson a.k.a. Lewis Carroll
1832 born
1852 made life member of Christ Church college Oxford
1854 B.A. First Class Honors in Mathematics, Second Class Honors Classics
1857 M.A. Math
1861 Ordained Deacon
1855-1863 Active photographer, would have become more notable as one of the first photographers, had not in 1965 ‘Wonderland’ been published and overshadowed his camera work.
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See, this feminism/CIA thing is not really beyond reason, just like it's not really beyond reason to believe that the Illuminati are what's really running the country and this whole democracy thing is justa put-on, just like it's not really hard to believe that TWA Flight 800 was really shot down by our very own Navy, and not accidentally but deliberately, just like it's not really hard to believe that Timothy McVeigh was actually a CIA-trained suicide bomber.
The thing is that these conspiracies are so well bound up and so well hidden that it becomes a waste of our energy to spend a lot of time complaining about them until there's more proof and a better constituency for the prosecution. And Henry Makow hasn't done anything to impress me yet, so I'm not gonna get real excited about the ramblings of just one man, no matter how well-placed he is.
We have more tangible things to focus our efforts on, and we're making some progress. Let's not dismiss this completely, but let's focus on things that are just a little less fuzzy.
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As long as men & women focus ONLY upon feminism, they will get no where. Except where their manipulators want to take them.
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