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“To be [...] female [...] is to be perceived as an object of disdain.”
need i comment on this part of the article?
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This "gender sensitivity" programing , brainwashing, mind conditioning, whatever you want to call it is far from new. As I have recently looked at a grade 11 sylibis for high school in ontario advanced level, I found one of the questions to be extremely misandric. It told the students that "men that owned the cable networks decided what was on television, and they were the ones who propagadaded poor views and images of women, descriminating against women". The it asked how you felt about what it was doing to women and how could you change this" It gave no room for the possibility that this information was in correct, and what this had to do with english is beyond me. I am amazed at how statistics with only half the story, and statastics that are just feed and not researched or even proven are considered fact. The reason these boys are dropping out of school is they are being descriminated and humiliated and told that when they grow up they will be a man, an evil, evil, man. Suicide rates are highest among boys and no one seems to care. I think its time parents started suing the board of educations for perpetrating these misandric veiws. Dan Lynch
Dan Lynch
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Ontario is bad and getting rapidly worse. The school system, besides teaching hatred of males also teach "men's violence agaisnt women and children." They of course do not include violence against the boys (or men) by women. They do not include any violence done by women: That might save a male life and the women of Ontario will NEVER allow that.
Dave Brown in the Citizen speaks of the return of debtor's prisons for men who cannot or willnot pay their child support (usually cannot). Imputed income is now the norm for men in child support setting. Obviosuly this does not apply to non-custodial mothers as any judge who fairly set child support for a N/C mother would likely as not be murdered by the women who demand hatred and violence be targeted at all of Ontario's males.
The joy filled effort to kill all males which is the heart and soul of Ontario's women's movement is no different from Nazism.
I'm angry today. Does it show? Reader: Why are you not angry?
the Volksgaren Project: Intelligent Abuse Recovery, http://clix.to/support/, jaxom@amtelecom.net, 519-773-9644
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I'm angry jaxom, and I want to get the word out as much as possible. I want people in ontario to know what exactly is going on right under their noses. It's difficult to get media attention they seem to avoid it at all costs, and the men only get the view of whats going on from the media, as well as personal conversations from friends. But the men in ontario have become so stupid (from dropping out of school no doubt) they just accept the given statistics and sign their names to white ribbon protests siding with women who have probably never really been hurt by anyone but gleefully go out and protest against Marc Lepine as if he was the spokesperson for all men. More men need to be radical to get the message out. It makes me sick to see the blatent "nazistic" propaghanda out there descriminating against men. I like this guy in California whose suing everyone, maybe that will start to send the message. Dan Lynch dan047@sympatico.ca
Dan Lynch
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jaxom wrote:
"save a male life and the women of Ontario will NEVER allow that."
"...murdered by the women who demand hatred and violence be targeted at all of Ontario's males."
"The joy filled effort to kill all males which is the heart and soul of Ontario's women's movement is no different from Nazism."
It's a common tactic of the supremacist to 'dehumanize' the group they promote hatred against. Makes it easier to rationalize away all manner of injustice against the target group. "Who cares? they're hardly even human!"
One of the ways this is done by feminists is by referring to men simply as 'males' rather than as 'men.' (Most species have 'males' but only human males are 'men.') I've noticed a lot of men, even here, who do this too -- and not when they're referring to both men and boys.
It's OK to refer to males and females, or to women and men, but when you're referring to 'women and males' in the same sentence, you're falling into their trap.
MAN and MEN are NOT bad words. It's OK to use them. Take them back and use them with pride.
Ragtime
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Good observation, Ragtime, of the use of "male" and the use of "men".
I don't always practice what I preach. But I give some attention to how I use them as a difference. Like, referring to the "male of the species" when referring to ALL primates for example. And using the word "men" when the male is a human.
Yet even for humans, I often use "male" and "man" differently. Not all "males" are "men". And not all "men" seem a "man" to me--even when both males have the same gender stamped on their birth certificates.
I have become too polarized in my views of female versus male, and men versus women. Too many males seem to take the female view, and these males often even act like females. (note I use "female", not "women", the same as I consider "feminist" as different from "female", and female different from woman, and woman different from feminine.)
So, I agree with you, male has a different flavor from men. And especially "male" is different from "man".
Yet my polarization of genders is not just limited to the negative side. I think gender difference are positive and sexy. And I use words best I can, to indicate the diffence, some for my negative words for negative females, and other words for my very postive feeling for feminine women.
With females (who can be feminine & some not), I do the same as with males, when I am referring to human females. I use feminine when she is, and female when she is not.
A dyke to me is definitely NOT feminine, although she is female on the hospital chart. (although sometimes she is dangerous in any hospital ward or either restroom --a dyke is nearly a third gender)
I even have trouble with the word "woman". Too many women do not seem feminine to me. So many women seem masculine or else neutered, that I have become revolted at referring to all females as women. There needs to be another word for female women, than just simply "women".
Hence, the feminine women I know who are close to me, I call them "girls". Or "My girl". All of these girls are real women, and they are independent in taking care of their own lives. No matter, because that type of girl handles my way of expressing her gender better than all the others of her gender. Once she understands where I'm coming-from, I have no problem calling her my girl.
In fact, "girl" becomes our private code-word. Which distinguishes her from a dyke, a feminist, or a sad-sack female who has lost her gonads. (a sexy girl has gonads, too! Both of hers fully-operational --just like a MAN must have.)
I wish there were another well-recognized word in English to refer to a feminine woman in ONE word & also have that word sound feminine. But there isn't. So, I often have to use girl when referring to a woman who understands the context in which I do so.
We men used to be able to refer to a feminine woman as "babe". But the dykes, feminists, and the neutered females, ALL jumped our ass about that. (Is there any wonder why? All three types I just mentioned know they are not "babes".) And "fox" is not well-received in addressing some feminine women in public either. Sometimes I just call a real woman, Beauty or My Beauty.
Otherwise, all the fake females can stuff it up where ever is appropriate in their own body cavity, when I use "girl", or fox, or babe.
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We men used to be able to refer to a feminine woman as "babe". But the dykes, feminists, and the neutered females, ALL jumped our ass about that.
(Is there any wonder why? All three types I just >mentioned know they are not "babes".)
My mother's friend's father always called his daughers "my broads." Never occured to them that this was 'wrong' or 'damaging their self-esteem' or whatever. It was a term for 'girls' - so the daughters grew up referring to other women as 'broads' which pissed off all their feminist friends.
I call just about everyone "babe," it's term of comradship more than anything else.
A friend of mine was complaining about his girlfriend because "she says I can't call chicks 'chicks!" I feel sorry for this way of thinking.
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Well, done in the right way, I think there could be some benefit to taking boys to work. It has been my observation, among my "gen-X" age group, that some men, particularly those who have grown up without a male role model in the home, lack ambition to get secondary education and a career. They linger in that "slacker", couch surf era of their lives much longer than is necessary.
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Well, done in the right way, I think there could be some benefit to taking boys to work. It has been my observation, among my "gen-X" age group, that some men, particularly those who have grown up without a male role model in the home, lack ambition to get secondary education and a career. They linger in that "slacker", couch surf era of their lives much longer than is necessary.
I'm all for taking your kid to work every now and then just to show them what the work world is like, but I am *not* for doing it the Ms. way, which is designed to "feminize" boys and "masculize" girls by teaching them that it's wrong for them to choose careers which might be considered "stereotypical" for either sex.
I also don't think there should be a national "day" set aside to do it. Just let the parents decide when their children need those lessons.
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My place of business does not participate in it, and I refuse to have anything to do with the whole sorry thing. And the subject is not open for either discussion or negotiation, it's fun being the sole proprietor, and those who don't like it can follow me all the way to the bank, you can tell who I am, because I am laughing.
Just
Say
NO
To
Feminism.
It's very easy, and like every other bully, they back down when you confront them on their nonsense. Last time it was asked about this "TODTWD" I asked them to submit me a plan for that day, and for a "Take our Sons to work day" as well, which would be financed equally, and run by the same people so as not to be sexist.
I haven't heard a chirp since.
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You know, it occurs to me as I consider purchasing the latest Jesse Jackson expose, that the feminists have undertaken the VERY SAME kind of extortion that Jackson is accused of. Seems like maybe there's enough for a book there. Trudy? Nightmist? Any further thoughts?
Frank
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I think there's a very big book there, and possibly a couple of sequels. But just ask Jack Kammer and Warren Farrell if you'll ever get it past the pheminist censors.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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Well, if it got written, I suspect it would at least get published on the web. Zubaty's book, after many attempts, is available through mainstream outlets, and now some publishers are starting to notice that there's a market.
I hold the same (well, almost the same :-) skepticism that you do, TGK, but if no one even attempts to publish the book, well, then we've already lost, right?
Frank
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by Anonymous User on Monday March 18, @11:04PM EST (#12)
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I love him and I bring him to my work and instill true masculine values. Not the anti-male values that the media and feminut's hype up. I let him know that just about everything that makes human life easy and confortable as we know it today came from mostly the efforts of hard working men, and not to be shamed into thinking otherwise.
He knows what it is to be a man, as defined from a masculine perspective. So do his friends.
The feminuts are dillusional if they think they can reprogram what is natural about masculinity.
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Good for you!
I agree with you that the inherent male (or the female) drive can't be reprogrammed at our current state of knowledge.
Yet either male or female inherent birth-given heritage, can be partly altered, diverted, and intimidated. The smarter people, like you perhaps, must take life in hand, and avoid the undue manipulation of others.
One of my five best buds for the past 26-years is a small publisher yet with a loyal following, specializing in children's books & teaching aids.
Once established, he married, and with their first child, moved to a larger new home in the country but reasonable-enough travel distance when needed to San Francisco. He keeps his stock there in the city, and sometimes has to make his presentations there. Otherwise, he moved his office to their new home, and set up his active working space in the atrium.
His wife works in a local country school district as librarian. His first, a boy, until his formal schooling started, stayed at home with dad, dear young dad, watching both son & business same time, and doing his early bonding with son.
That worked well, or seems to have, the son in first year at Stanford now, and by all measures sonny has it together--just like dear now-older dad did.
This man is one of my two top ideals. Not only the child raising and his relationship with his mate. Further, much broader reasons. He has made life work for him, instead of living to work. And superficially seeming paradoxical, those who work best, work for themselves, meaning what they really want to do, including toward other ideals & people.
Some people like he, break the odds, and reprogram the odds in their favor. While most people can't, or won't. Most people leave their odds at the mercy of others. Hence, most are if not reprogrammed by others, are mostly influenced by others.
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