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I just accessed this so called show's website and left a message asking just where are the stupid women tapes? I suggested that stupid women would be much more interesting.
If men didn't summit tapes to this dumbass silly show then there wouldn't be a show. Some men have just got to stop cooperating with their oppressors.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @07:54AM EST (#2)
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Get over it! There's plenty of TV shows portraying women as "dumb" or as bimbos. Stop trying to censor freedom of speech, and get a friggin life.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @08:05AM EST (#3)
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Yah, same to you. Does, freedom of speech mean you can't defend yourself when your verbally attacked? Anyhow, the description implies the show was merely making fun of stupid males, not males as a whole.
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"""Get over it! There's plenty of TV shows portraying women as "dumb" or as bimbos."""
Really? And just what shows are these? Please list a few. I do have to confess that I do not watch that much TV. Got sick and tired of all the idiotic commercials portraying men as dolts. So please enlighten us on these shows that portray women as "bimbos."
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Got sick and tired of all the idiotic commercials portraying men as dolts.
Agreed. Just where are all of the commercials that depict women as inept, socially incapable, and complete morons?
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Time to update the Media Watch page, I see. Thanks for submitting this, anonymous.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @10:55AM EST (#7)
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where are all of the commercials that depict women as inept, socially incapable, and complete morons?
there aren't many of those. I can't even watch commercials anymore. it's gotten to a point where it's more often offensive than not. I press mute during the commercials and do my best never to notice whatever product they're advertizing.
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there aren't many of those. I can't even watch commercials anymore. it's gotten to a point where it's more often offensive than not. I press mute during the commercials and do my best never to notice whatever product they're advertizing.
I don't blame you for not wanting to see or hear it. However, I would suggest a better solution might be to pay attention to the product, then write the company and tell them that you refuse to buy their products anymore as a result of their misandry. And make certain they know you're going to tell your friends.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @11:08AM EST (#9)
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Married with Children portrays women as dumb bimbos. I love it.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @11:10AM EST (#10)
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The Man Show is another show that portrays women as dumb bimbos.
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The Man Show is another show that portrays women as dumb bimbos.
You are correct, but, in The Man Show's defense, it also portrays men as stupid, lazy, neandertals who want nothing more than girls jumping to trampolines, beer, and porn.
I actually find The Man Show amusing. I probably would not if it focused its barbs solely on one sex and not both of them.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @12:01PM EST (#13)
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i've found that it, more often than not, displays men as inferior. it takes shots at both genders.
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The "Man Show" is irony, not to be taken seriously; the stereotyping of men as beer guzzling oversexed idiots IS the joke.
BTW, I find the "Man Show" very funny even though the joke's on us. One reason I believe that you can get away with so many "man as idiot" jokes on television (often coupled with a kick in the groin) is that men have retained the ability to laugh at themselves. Women lost this a long time ago, if they ever had it in the first place. They are so serious all of the time.
I don't see the plethora of "men as idiot" television shows as proof of anything other than our good naturedness and ability not to take ourselves too seriously. Pity poor women, who are so wrapped up in their "I'm a victim!" mentality that they never can laugh at themselves. Honestly, men, would YOU want to be like that?
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"""I don't see the plethora of "men as idiot" television shows as proof of anything other than our good naturedness and ability not to take ourselves too seriously. Pity poor women, who are so wrapped up in their "I'm a victim!" mentality that they never can laugh at themselves. Honestly, men, would YOU want to be like that?"""
So why don't we see the "AMOS & ANDY SHOW," and "Stephen Fetchit," movies anymore on the mainstream media?
Being able to laugh at yourself once in a while is a strength. BUT there is a limit. I do not view getting kicked in the groin as humorous!
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @01:16PM EST (#16)
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I watched that show two times and in both a saw a young 10 year old girl beating up a young 10 year old boy. He was lying on the floor and she was kicking him really hard, calling him names and the young boy was obviously in real pain. Remember, he's can't hit back because hitting girls is wrong.
It's a comedy. Can you believe that? Imagine if it were the boy kicking the girl non-stop like that? Would it still be comedy?
I don't understand the people who tell us to stop complaining. It's obvious that there is a real serious problem here.
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I detest the show personally. But I would defend its writers' freedom of speech, I suppose, if pressed to do so. Never mind that it perpetuates stereotypes that people who truly desire equality for both sexes would work to do away with.
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"I don't see the plethora of "men as idiot" television shows as proof of anything other than our good naturedness and ability not to take ourselves too seriously. Pity poor women, who are so wrapped up in their "I'm a victim!" mentality that they never can laugh at themselves. Honestly, men, would YOU want to be like that?"
I like it, in fact, you know why women can't take themselves seriously? Because things like "Lifetime" and "Oxygen" have taught them to be victims rather than take responsibility for their lives. Women have wanted equal rights for a long time. Now that they have it, they whine all the time about how hard it is having to stand up on their own two feet. About time they learned what men have known for thousands of years: LIFE IS HARD, GET ON WITH IT OR GET RUN OVER.
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Precisely. Men have learned that lesson and women, for the most part, haven't. If you spend much time around feminists, you soon learn that feminist activism is little more that a series of petitions to men to provide for women. Grant us this, give us that, protect us here, stop doing that, and on and on; never about telling women to stop whining and do for themselves. "Oh poor us," they say, "poor, poor us." They are so caught up in victim-think that they can't even see the contradictions that are so obvious to the rest of us.
What I object to most, though, is when men start complaining in the same fashion. The notion of "we poor men" should never enter our minds. Rather than whine about inequity, I think we're better off laughing it off, or acting positively to change it. But for heaven's sake, lets not start whining like feminists.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 26, @12:10PM EST (#44)
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See, the thing is, there are few commercials and few television programs that I find so repulsive that I have to get up and leave the room. And though I don't watch the Man Show, there are things I've seen elsewhere that constitute slights against men that I do laugh at. I think the larger majority of us here are okay with the occasional joke that comes at the expense of men.
The REAL problem is the "lesson" that the preponderance of these "jokes" teaches: that men are universally ignorant, stupid, evil, or otherwise inadequate, but in any case inferior to women. THIS is a trend we have to stop. And if, to some, we sound like whiners, then perhaps it's them who are missing the point.
I won't apologize for it and I expect that most here feel the same way.
Frank H
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The REAL problem is the "lesson" that the preponderance of these "jokes" teaches: that men are universally ignorant, stupid, evil, or otherwise inadequate, but in any case inferior to women. THIS is a trend we have to stop. And if, to some, we sound like whiners, then perhaps it's them who are missing the point.
Well said, Frank.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @05:32AM EST (#57)
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I've seen things "elsewhere" too.
Men ejaculating onto and urinating in women's faces. Men slapping women in the face to get their sexual thrills, shoving anything that they can get their hands onto up women's orifices.
What about the "bangbus" porn series that's so popluar with men at the moment? A group of jerks driving around in a bus supposedly picking up women, having sex with them while they make threats to them?
The sad part about it is many males actually believe that this series is made with "real" women. As if there weren't enough females, particually teenage girls, harassed on the streets by males. As long as it's not you cowards who have to tolerate it, right guys?
Why get bothered about what's on TV when male sexuality, as defined by porn, is having a much stronger influence on the psyche of people?
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @07:13AM EST (#58)
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"male sexuality, as defined by porn"
come on now, would you say that female sexuality is also defined by porn? i'm a little tired of the "find something bad and pin it on men" tactic.
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The Pheminist Troll Again! Hi, Pheminist Troll!
I've seen things "elsewhere" too.
And just where elsewhere would that be? Care to make a citation? Or just another variant on the "Every Schoolboy Knows" fallacy?
Men ejaculating onto and urinating in women's faces. Men slapping women in the face to get their sexual thrills, shoving anything that they can get their hands onto up women's orifices.
Mmmm. Not my cup of tea. What are your feelings on women who demand such things? That, when you tell them, "That's a little exotic" get all snippy and say stuff like "If I wanted to be made love to by a woman, I'd be a lesbian?"
Nice little fallacy of composition there, though, not to mention begging the question. It's almost clever.
Almost.
What about the "bangbus" porn series that's so popluar with men at the moment? A group of jerks driving around in a bus supposedly picking up women, having sex with them while they make threats to them?
What about it? What about the women who pass it around?
What about it? It offends you, so all men need to go to jail for it?
Sorry, the Puritans went on the rubbish heap of history with all other useless flotsam and human debris years ago.
The sad part about it is many males actually believe that this series is made with "real" women.
Damn, guys, I miss one "Conspiracy Against Women" meeting, and I am in the dark.
So what are you getting upset about? A CARTOON?
Begs the question for me - I personally never had a single animation ever make me think it is real. Is this like a female phenomenen that they can't distinguish fantasy and reality? Do you need to go back into the harem?
As if there weren't enough females, particually teenage girls, harassed on the streets by males.
I'm kind of annoyed at 14 year old strumpets that walk down the streets looking like Britney Spears, or a hooker, I'm not sure which.
Sorry babe, don't want the merchandise looked at, put it behind the counter. And if it ain't for sale, why do you have it on the shelf? My communication classes say that if the message is recieved improperly, it's 99% the fault of the person delivering the message.
But, that would require women to take a little responsibility for themselves, eh wot? We can't have that, can we? How sexist and patriarchal.
As long as it's not you cowards who have to tolerate it, right guys?
Oh, joy. I guess I can go lift the suspension of those two guys I dinged for internet porn at work last week. After all, I am expected to "tolerate" it and we musn't disappoint Ms. Pheminazi here, can we? How dare I make reality conflict with how she sees the world.
Why get bothered about what's on TV when male sexuality, as defined by porn, is having a much stronger influence on the psyche of people?
Awfully bold and bombastic statement you make here, missy. Care to leaven it with some facts? Citations? In other words, you made an assertation - PROVE IT. Or consider it disproved.
Yeah, I'm a mean Patriarchal SOB. Well, see, now you're playing with the big dogs. Too rough? Run back under the porch.
But hey, you've been a really good sport, not to mention providing much entertainment; we have some great prizes for you, and Johnny will show you what you've won on your way out!
Thanks for Playing!
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @09:53AM EST (#60)
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @11:10AM EST (#61)
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"I'm kind of annoyed at 14 year old strumpets that walk down the streets looking like Britney Spears, or a hooker, I'm not sure which."
you mean there's a difference? *grins*
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Anonymous User (#57) sounds like Andrea Dworkin. Same use of language and everything. Is that you, Andrea, you big truffle-pig?
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First off, I'd like to apologize for being scarce lately. I still monitor the goings-on regularly, but I've not been posting for a couple of reasons. One, I've run out of new and articulate ways to make the exact same points over and over again. Two, I've had some changes in my job schedule that make it more difficult to sustain possible repeated correspondence with people in posting. I hate to leave a reply unanswered for hours at a stretch.
I don't have much to add to the points which have already been made in this particular thread, but I would like to make a comment on Wiccid Stepparent's observation about gender portrayals in Disney films.
Yes, many Disney heroines had only fathers and no mothers. But if I recall correctly, it was always due to maternal death, not maternal abandonment. And I think it was always somewhat presumed that the deceased mother was a sterling example of humanity - and that the heroine largely inherited her own protagonist qualities from her mother. Also, the concept of the deceased mother was probably also deliberately manipulated by Disney to increase sympathy for the heroine - for what could be more tragic than growing up without a mother? I also strongly suspect that filmmakers and storywriters like to make an association between strong heroines and deceased mothers - since a woman growing up without a mother pretty much has to "become" the mother in certain respects. Indeed, the fathers are often portrayed as somewhat "dependent" on their daughters; sometimes the daughter "saves" the father in emotional terms.
In other words, Disney films and other films which feature the girl-with-no-mother premise generally use this to emphasize the fundamental importance of mothers, not disregard it.
As for the preponderance of female villains - well, if you ask me, that should be a feminist's dream come true. Female heroines battling female villains. The women have all the major roles, in other words. Snow White may have been a feminist's nightmare, but the fact remains that the two main characters were female, and the major male characters were a motley band of uncouth dwarves who didn't bathe, and a Prince who was given nothing better to do than simply "show up".
Granted, I can still see where women might find the portrayal of females in Disney films and in many other films as a tad unsatisfactory. And yes, this probably does stem from a certain male ignorance of what women are really like. But, I also strongly believe that most of this particular "ignorance" is of the adoring and hopeful variety, not the malicious. Contrary to popular belief, I think most men want nothing more than to believe that women are inherently good, perhaps even superior human beings - for obvious reasons. I apologize if this stereotype imprisons women, in a sense, but I'm not ashamed of the sentiment which provokes it.
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Welcome back, Hawth. I, for one, have missed your posts.
As for Anonymous 57, s/he makes about as much sense as Heinz 57 on an ice cream sundae. Andrea Dworkin is a possibility. A clone of her, maybe, or possibly a result of the ovular merging of Dworkin's and MacKinnon's genes.
Any psychologists/psychiatrists here? How do common, severe psychological disorders (such as mainstream feminism) come to be recognized as a mental illnesses?
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @01:42PM EST (#68)
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>> Thanks for Playing!
Oh, merciful Heaven! Well played, Gonzo! I bet she's frothing at the mouth and won't get her panties untied for weeks!
Bravo!
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @01:47PM EST (#69)
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>> TGK, Well said.
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>> FH
I agree. The man is a treasure. We have to get him syndicated.
I left this open at work knowing that my nosy cubicle mate would read it. It's got her fuming. She even complained to our boss, who I am not worried about because he gave me the link to this site.
I am here to tell you, Anyone who can get this man-hater struck speechless has to go on tour.
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"""Men ejaculating onto and urinating in women's faces. Men slapping women in the face to get their sexual thrills, shoving anything that they can get their hands onto up women's orifices."""
Hmmmm...so you are what is known as a "troll?"
Hey, all the crap that NOW has pulled in the last 25 years, they deserve a little payback! I hope all the women in the little drama described above looked like Gloria Steinheim!(sp? Who Cares!)
"""The sad part about it is many males actually believe that this series is made with "real" women"""
So what did they use? Blowup dolls?
BORING....YAWN!!! ;-0
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Thanks, Thomas. It feels good to be talking again! I will try to participate more regularly in the future...though I'm always "here" either way! ;-)
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Isn't it amazing what some women will do for money?
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"Isn't it amazing what some women will do for money?"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hmmm, good point.
:)
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And most of the dumb blonde jokes you hear are about women, not men...
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And most of the dumb blonde jokes you hear are about women, not men...
Men can have blond hair too y'know....
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"Dumb" blonde jokes are not furthered by the media. They are limited to individuals. On the flip side, the media BASES much of its programming around male bashing.
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Sure they are. Most sitcoms have at least one token dumb blonde. There is a lot of male bashing in the media, it's true. There is a lot stereotyping in the media - men as dumb, women as sluts, blacks and hispanics as criminals or gang members, white men as redneck yokels, etc. ad nauseum. I'm also not fond of backtalking smart alec kids on tv, especially when my own are watching.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @03:36PM EST (#24)
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Kinda makes ya want to reach out and grab a fistful of throat, doesn't it, Wiccid?
Frank H
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No, I don't condone violence, but it did make me cancel the cable subscription and read more.
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I agree with the folks here who say that women are also bashed, but the thing is that the nature of the bashing is definitely different. First, bashing of men and masculinity is much more prevailent. You can sit and count commericals as they go by and, in practically any ad that includes both genders but only bashes one, it is always the man. Further, it's my observation that male-bashing in the media takes a more venomous tone, whereas any bashing of women that I've seen pokes more gentle fun (albeit perhaps insulting to the more thin-skinned) than anything else. Never mind the commercials, look at the programs themselves! "The Man Show" is intended for men, right? And yet it perpetually insults men. I guess it's egalitarian because it also lampoons women, so at best, it's neutral. But when you consider, for example, the rewrite that Disney did to "Beauty and the Beast" all in the name of demonstrating that men are all either evil or inadequate, then you have to recognize that something is wrong.
Note this well for all of you women who think that your lot in the media is no better: Every woman who commits an evil deed on TV or in the movies carries a mitigating history. That is, the story includes some explanation of why she is evil, and usually it's because of an evil assault on her, physical or otherwise, by a man or men. Yet a man who commits an evil deed in the same media is just evil. No mitigating history is included. The inherent message here is that men are inherently evil, or at best, useless, whereas women are virtuous, or at worst, justifiably vengeful.
Men are willing to laugh at themselves, and I suspect that few men here would complain if the bashing, in the final analysis, was balanced. But it is not. And the reason for this is simple: TV executives and advertising agencies know that 85% of buying decisions are made by women. Who do YOU think they're going to avoid insulting?
Frank H
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @05:55PM EST (#29)
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With more stay-at-home dads, more unmarried 30-somethings and people marrying later, I assume the 85% figure has been slowly falling. I may be optimistic but I think as these trends continue men will make up a significantly larger portion of the consumer spending. And with raised awareness - by people like us who point out these occurences - the media will have to change their tune at least a little. If TV executives thought they could make an extra dollar bashing women they would no doubt do it.
I too find these shows and commercials disgusting (I submitted the story) but believe we can and are making a difference.
Up until a year or so ago I would agree to the comment that whenever one gender is poked fun at in a commercial it is always the man. Now, I can think of at least a few comercials over the past year that have reversed that. Of course, it's now 95/5 instead of 100/0 but I feel great about the direction.
Remember the Killian's ad where the woman smeared the lipstick all over her face and was unaware of it while the guys she approached obviously were?
Let's keep updating the Media Watch page and send the link to the ad execs at the companies we featured on it. Let's refer to it when we write letters to the editor.
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Let's keep updating the Media Watch page and send the link to the ad execs at the companies we featured on it. Let's refer to it when we write letters to the editor.
Good idea. I will (hopefully) be updating that page tonight, and I'll send it to Scott by morning.
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Beauty and the Beast? Are you talking about the feature-length cartoon they did several years back? I didn't see the male bashing in that. Yes, there was a male villain, but there have been plenty of female villians (Little Mermaid, Cinderella, Snow White, Sword in the Stone) in Disney cartoons so that didn't bother me. Disney movies also are notable for the fact that it is typically (certainly not always, but often) the father who is present and the mother absent. Beauty and the Beast would be an example of that as well.
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Disney movies also are notable for the fact that it is typically (certainly not always, but often) the father who is present and the mother absent. Beauty and the Beast would be an example of that as well.
Perhaps in the cartoons. "Princess Diaries" and its ilk generally feature men as people you hit in the balls. In fact, I believe that has actually happened in every live action Disney feature since "Beethoven," which may or may not have been Disney, but which is the first kid's movie I saw with a genital mutilation in it.
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"Had a flamer entered my website, I would
have exercised my freedom of assembly, and blocked them from posting."
If I ran this site or a similar one I'd exercise my freedom of assembly by blocking out this kind of bigotry. I think Scott should do the same. This is a men's rights website that is a-political and is not anti-gay. In fact it has a separate news topic set aside for issues regarding gay/bisexual men. This type of bigotry is exactly what divides up the men's movement and slows it down. It has happened at NCFM and if not controlled it will happen here. I myself support gay rights but I keep it separate from my men's rights activism. I also expect others I work with to do the same and I won't work with people who inject anti-gay language into their activism.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @10:23PM EST (#37)
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As related in "Spreading Misandry," the story of Beauty and the Beast has been re-written by Disney to remove the balance of characters in the story, to the point of significantly changing the nature of the Beast. Consider all of the male characters: they are all either weak or evil or inadequate. Yet all of the female characters are strong and/or virtuous.
I agree that the story is well-staged and enjoyable to watch. If your kids like it, so be it, but if you're looking to show them stories where men make as positive a contribution to the story as women, then this is not the story for you. After reading "Spreading Misandry" I sought a copy of the original version of the story, and in fact, I noted that the changes cited in the book were accurately portrayed.
Another "innocent" re-write occurs in "The Little Engine That Could." I bought a copy and read it to my kids several years ago. I noticed that, in the story, the engine that needed help was female, and all of the engines that came along who either would not, or could not help were male. The sole engine that helped was female. I have been unable to find a really old copy to "prove" that the change was genuine, but my recollection was that originally all of the engines were male. It would have been quite possible to make the book gender-neutral, but instead, the subtle message that men cannot or will not help women emerged. Needless to say, I will not be reading that version to my grandchildren.
Frank H
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The sole engine that helped was female. I have been unable to find a really old copy to "prove" that the change was genuine, but my recollection was that originally all of the engines were male. It would have been quite possible to make the book gender-neutral, but instead, the subtle message that men cannot or will not help women emerged. Needless to say, I will not be reading that version to my grandchildren.
Wow. I'm not that far in the book yet. I do remember "The Little Engine That Could" from my youth, and I'll bet my parents still have that copy of it. If I'm recalling it correctly, the little engine was referred to as "he," and I don't recall there being any references to a "she" in there.
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That's how I remember it too, and that book wasn't in our house THAT long ago.
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I hate to change topics, but speaking of bigotry, I sense that one of our "anonymous" users here has started flaming my Web page because I'm fat and female. I'm thinking of the Madcap Misogynist...
I recognized the name in the heading from here. This person told me 1.) I didn't know how to speak any English, 2.) that I was fat and ugly, and 3.) he was going to have his friend rape me with a bag over his head. That was REAAAL nice, eh? How can you call yourself a men's activist if you don't support the women who support you?
BTW, I deleted the offending post. Anyone who wants to visit my site, can. NO FLAMING THOUGH.
-Rivka
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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I've mentioned this before, but given the subject of this thread it's worth mentioning again. In Nazi Germany the government made films to 'educate' the people about Nazi racial theory. In these films they directly equated Jews with vermin, and would alternate between images of swarthy-looking Jews and hoards of rats streaming towards the camera. These images nauseated audiences and got in the way of the message the Nazi's were trying to convey. It was Josef Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, who identified the solution; a way to get the message accross without arousing people's disgust. He realised that trying to introduce people to new ideas (such as Nazi racial theory) was a lot harder than utilising things that they already believed (stereotypes of Jews as devious and immoral). The kind of films that were then made under Geobbels supervision were essentially regular stories of love, adventure and so on, with that 'bad guys' portrayed as stereotypical Jewish figures. It didn't matter that Nazi racial theory wasn't being conveyed, what mattered was that a certain perception of Jews, a perception that accorded with Nazi racial theory, was being promoted. It was part of a subtle process of priming the mind of the ordinary German citizen for what was to come.
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I haven't seen the Princess Diaries. The boys weren't interested, and the girl typically goes in for animals more than princesses.
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Hmm, my copy of the "original Grimms Fairy Tales" has some sisters that were left out of the Disney Version, and no Gaston or that little funny cohort of his. And no talking furniture either.
It's a conspiracy I tell ya!!!
I still like the Disney cartoon though. It promotes reading, and it portrays that people can be beautiful on the inside despite how they may appear on the outside. Plus, the story is interesting and it was funny, and the songs are catchy. All very important things if you have kids that make you watch the same video over and over again ad nauseum for days.
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It WAS a he.
I really think classic literature should be left alone, even children's literature. You know what I saw at Target last night? The Christian Mother Goose. Instead of 3 Blind Mice, it was 3 Kind Mice. The old woman in the shoe had so many children "and loved them all too" instead of "didn't know what to do." And I saw a kid's show over the weekend that changed "Yo Ho Ho and a Bottle of Rum" to "Yo Ho Ho and Away we Go." Today's children are going to grow up very confused.
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That's really creepy. Normally if somebody around here takes issue with something I've said, they just accuse me of not existing. Makes me glad the internet is relatively (though not entirely) anonymous, he is not likely to actually find you (I hope).
The person who did that to you sounds like a real jerk and more of a jackass than an activist of any kind. I can't help but make light however, and say that at least he was willing to put the bag over his own head and spare you having to look at his (no doubt) ugly mug.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 26, @04:55PM EST (#51)
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> I hate to change topics, but speaking of
> bigotry, I sense that one of our "anonymous"
> users here has started flaming my Web page
> because I'm fat and female.
I, however, do not flame even my Internet
opponents. I also never attack those, who
support me.
Unfortunatly, too many Internet users
are sick. Many racists, sexists, flamers and
perverts of all kinds. I am sorry that you have
encountered such a user. On one board, a user
suggested that I should be castrated.
What hurts me most is when respectable
media shows bigotry.
John Knouten
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I have decided to take down the page. If people didn't like it, I'm sorry.
I'm going to a campus activism thing Friday (I HAVE to). Wish me luck- in surviving!
-Rivka
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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I have decided to take down the page. If people didn't like it, I'm sorry.
Don't allow people to pressure you into silencing yourself, LadyRivka. If they don't like your page, they don't have to visit it.
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I'm going to a campus activism thing Friday (I HAVE to). Wish me luck- in surviving!
Good luck and best wishes. (A mob of notawomen ought to streak it.)
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LadyRivka,
I'm shocked at the attack you received at your web site. If I can be of any help in tracking down who did this, please let me know.
Scott
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LadyRivka: I'm sickened by what you wrote about someone flaming your site. Please know that I have the greatest respect for you. You are a fine, independent thinker, and I don't suppose I hold any human characteristic in higher esteem than that. Have heart and know that you deserve the respect that you have earned here.
I would be honored to meet you someday.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @12:47PM EST (#66)
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"Madcap Misogynist" is a known troll on other sites. I recognize the writing style and the vicious attacks on overweight women from other boards.
As far as I'm concerned, people like him are not men's activists. They are trolls. People like him harm this movement.
I do not understand what weight or looks have to do with activism of any kind. Just because a person is not your cup of tea as far as dating goes, why would it mean you cannot accept them as a fellow activist? Anyone who insists that all women who wish to support the men's movement must be Playboy centerfold quality is dooming the movement.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @12:51PM EST (#67)
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It is not worth taking down your page because of "Madcap Misogynist" and his ilk. The only thing they can do is type hateful words at you on the Internet. Don't let them scare you into silence.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @01:59PM EST (#70)
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Someone sent me this yesterday. I have no idea who originally said it:
"Most of the masses are sheep. Unfortunately, many of them have learned to type with their hooves."
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Well, I did. Sorry.
But I replaced it.
And I didn't go to the activism thing b/c I conveniently got sick. *hehe*
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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Please ignore the troll, we have every right to protest the portrayal of men as "stupid" and we don't have to justify our reasons to anyone. We are exercising our right to free speech, not limiting anyone else's.
I can just imagine this person in Nazi Germany - "don't criticize Hitler, you'd be limiting his free speech rights!" Sheesh.
Thanks,
Scott
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @02:13PM EST (#20)
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Dear Scot,
Had a flamer entered my website, I would
have exercised my freedom of assembly, and blocked
them from posting.
John Knouten
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Had a flamer entered my website, I would
have exercised my freedom of assembly
That was the first male freedom the feminist attacked. That is why new no longer have but a few male only clubs.
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I just find it disturbing and sick to watch other people get injured or do the unthinkable. OF ANY GENDER. PERIOD.
I just think the show itself should be cancelled. But it probably won't; it's human nature to laugh at another's pain.
I like The Man Show, it takes shots at both genders. I'm one of the few women who can laugh at herself and the other idiots with two X chromosomes!! I believe in roasting all of human folly, and not limiting it to one group. (See my website- I draw comics of that nature.) Every time I get caught watching the Man Show, people will watch for five minutes and tell me how disgusting and degrading to women it is. And, i of course, ignore them. Satire is satire, and Adam and Jimmy have a lot of it. (Not to mention that off the show, they're pretty damn smart!)
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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I think there are a lot more 'dumb' guys on TV over dumb blondes. Ever watched Titus?
I don't like the Man Show, it's a waste of time. Do I demand it change it's theme to suit my tastes? No, I watch something else or read.
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I think there are a lot more 'dumb' guys on TV over dumb blondes. Ever watched Titus?
Yeah, my family LOVES that show. I won't watch a show unless it's painfully insightful satire or extremely witty. Of course, there's Homer Simpson, Tim Taylor, the list of "stupid men" could go on and on... Like before, it's a TV stereotype. I personally think all people are, in a sense, stupid because they're human.
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @07:58PM EST (#35)
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Years ago, there was a show called the $1.98 beauty show. Any woman with the guts to get on television and prance around in a bikini could get on this show. Old, 300-pound women would come on and prance around in bikinis, making total jackasses of themselves for their 15 minutes of fame. I'm not making fun of fat women. My Aunt is fat and she used to ROTFL at this show. Her laughter was at the willingness of these women to make idiots of themselves just so they could get on TV. It is truly sad what people are willing to do for money and/or temporary fame.
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I loved to watch that show. That and the Gong Show, they were my two favorites when I was about six.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @12:37PM EST (#65)
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Me too! It sounds like we're about the same age.
From time to time, I still watch the $1.98 Beauty Show reruns on the Game Network. It's just as funny now as it was back then.
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