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once and again, it comes to light that apparently women don't think men take contraception and pregnant seriously enough. A girl I know did a study for her sociology class and concluded that when asking young men what worried them more, pregnancy or disease, most would say "oh, disease, I'm a guy, I can't get pregnant." [that wasn't even the point of the survey!]
While I backed her up, her opinions tended to run to "men should be there for abortion, adoption or parenthood!" with a 'with a smile' attitude which I disagree with.
Anyway, it's disturbing, hopefully the experiences of men 'railroaded' into raising children [usually by only their wallet] will issue a clear message that more than a few get.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 16, @09:47PM EST (#7)
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I liked the warning one guy made about the feminizing effect that a progesterone pill could have on men; if this kind of pill was taken by hundreds of millions of men worldwide......well, isn't that what the Feminazi have wanted for years?!...........interesting, huh?
If a pill could be taken that would work and not have any side effects (anything deriving from the above, for instance), then I would take it as it would give a man much more control in the process of procreation (or not, as it were). Hmmmmm...I don't think the Feminazi in the Courts' Legislature or the CSA, etc would like that. What a shame.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 16, @12:17PM EST (#2)
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consider that with this pill in concert with the female pill, neither party will be forced into a pregnacy. this advancement does much for advancing choice for men in procreation.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 16, @12:44PM EST (#3)
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It's a very very old articile:
Friday, 16 April, 1999
But nothing has changed since. A lot of man hating going on when discussions about birth control begin. Women saying that they can't trust men to take the pill but expecting men to trust them? Unbelievable.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 16, @12:58PM EST (#4)
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QUESTIONS
1.) What are the health effects of taking these hormones for decades?
2.) How reliable are they?
3.) How much will they cost?
OPINION
Birth control and equal protection of the law are different matters. The (US) Constitution's 14th amendment tells me that we still need to legally protect men, like the abortion and abandonment laws legally protect women.
Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
Reproductive Rights Chairman
National Center for Men
www.choiceformen.com
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 16, @01:29PM EST (#5)
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I am a single 28 year-old male and - barring any health concerns - I would definitely take it. It would seem to me that if anything men should have less reason to trust women taking the pill than vice versa. By this, I am not saying that women are any less trustworthy, but most young women at some level dream of having children and being a mother. Most young single men would rather sleep on hot coals than to be tied down with a child. Personally, I feel like having a child now would ruin my life.
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I don't blame you. That's exactly how I feel about parenthood. It would ruin my life. It would destroy all my dreams and suck up all my money, and I would get nothing in return. "The love of a child" is worth nothing. I get love from my pets, and they don't cost anywhere near as much money to provide for. I don't have to kill myself working 90 hours a week at a job I despise to pay for my pets. Parenthood is not worth it. There are far more drawbacks then benefits.
Unfortunately though, the L.A. Times ran an article within the past week that talked about how most patients do not take their medications properly. Even people being treated for ANTHRAX EXPOSURE have been refusing to take their Cipro as directed. I don't know about anyone else, but as repelled as I am from parenthood, I think anthrax is even scarier. At least I could abort an unwanted pregnancy. Once you have anthrax, you die. You die in a horrific fashion. If we can't trust people to medicate themselves against anthrax, we can't trust them to take birth control pills. I don't think men are going to be any better about taking them than women are, and according to that article women are really shitty about taking them. It's not a gender thing, but a human thing. Nobody, man or woman, should ever trust their partner to take their pill unless you actually see them swallow it every day.
The male pill would be a good thing, but we also need to push for legal tubals and vasectomies for young people who are certain they never want children, who want these operations and who have the ability to pay for them. As a 28-year-old man, if you walked into a doctor's office and told them you wanted a vasectomy, you'd hear a plethora of insulting remarks such as, "You're too young" and "You just haven't met the right woman yet."
I was told the same thing when I requested sterilization as a teenager. Well guess what? I did meet the right man--and he doesn't want kids any more than I do. I am burning mad that I and other women and men like me are forced to play Russian Roulette with our repro systems because of a breeder-centric society that labels us unnatural just because we don't want kids. Tearing down anti-childfree attitudes would revolutionize things even more than the male pill.
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Virtually all contraceptive methods have consequences, side effects in some, and potential health risks. They all cost money too. They all have reliability quotients that do not meet 100%.
I sure hope men aren't going to not take the Male Pill based those concerns. To take such a position is tantamount to demanding ZERO risks and consequences for a life event ... sex .... which women don't have and which no person has on the planet for any facet of living.
There is no such thing as ZERO risk or consequences for any actions in life. It boils down to risk mitigation or else getting other persons to take all the risks, if you can get away with it.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday February 17, @11:28AM EST (#8)
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I wish that a male pill were available, and I suspect that millions of other men would take it too. I would take it and keep silent about it, letting my partner continue to take her pills so that we are covered by two sets of highly effective birth control.
Would men take the pill? Would men have paper abortions if they could? Yes and Yes.
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In my limited experience with the female of the species, few of the women I have been with have been any more careful than I, and one or two were considerably LESS careful. The sex drive was designed to perpetuate the species, and the Grand Engineer, as I like to call Him, did His best to make sure that conception happened. Fooling around with condoms or any means of birth control that needs to be applied during the heat of passion is risky and prone to failure. It's good that a pill for men is finally getting some research money, because it gets taken WAYYYY before the heat of passion and the urgency of physical need become an issues.
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One of the arguments the feminist movement used to promote abortion and birth control for women was the right to control their own bodies reproductive system. Seems it is about time that men get the same right to control their reproductive system.
Tony H
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 18, @01:54PM EST (#11)
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One of the problems holding us back is not merely that women would oppose legalizing paper abortions, but a huge number of religious men would oppose it too. It's not merely a matter of feminist hyporcracy.
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You are right. And it is not just religious people but people who do not want to see more abortions. This would include pro-Life people but also many people who are nominally pro-choice ... fence sitters as it were .... but who don't want to promote anything which might result in greater numbers of abortions. Many people have strong deep held beliefs against abortion or just believe there are better solutions. Not all people who have strong ethical problems with abortion are religious. Even some pro-Choice people feel strongly that abortion as a practice should be phased out or as Bush says made "rare". No one is truly pro-abortion. Just about everyone would like to see a better solution than more abortions.
If anything, mainstream feminists are likely more closely allied with the "paper abortion" folks than other groups would be. Politics makes strange bedfellows sometimes.
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The Grand Engineer also designed us to mark our territory with urine and feces. We learn not to do that so we can live in a civilized society. Thus we can also learn not to breed irresponsibly so that we can live in a civilized society.
The male pill will be a great thing. However, legal tubal ligations and vasectomies for young people who want them and have the ability to pay for them would be even better. It is insulting and discriminatory that an 18-year-old cannot walk into a doctor's office, plunk down the money and walk out with a surgery date for a tubal or vasectomy. Instead that 18-year-old would be told, "You're too young." If that same 18-year-old walked in pregnant or having fathered a chylde, why aren't they also told, "You're too young"????????? If you're old enough to decide to become a parent, you should be old enough to decide to get sterilized.
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