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Again, notice the human angle applied...her loneliness, her isolation, her depression. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but we all know very well how painfully absent all those touching little details would be, had the roles been reversed.
Our way is lost, our sense of principle and unyielding adherence to a set of just values is vanished. I want to wail and leap and shake the earth by its shoulders...I constantly ask myself, in the words of Tahar Djaout, "Will there ever be another spring?"
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"Amy Gehring's father Les said he was bursting with pride for his daughter."
Ummm... OK. If my daughter (were I to have one) were to seduce a couple of teenagers because she was "overwhelmed" and "lonely" and some sentimental jury let her off, I wouldn't be "bursting with pride"; I might burst a few veins, but pride? I don't think so.
Unless the father and mother were misquoted, it seems that this idiot comes from a family of idiots.
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I like the expression, "Take Back the Day." For years wimmyn's groups have used "Take Back the Night" demonstrations to vilify and eventually outlaw everyone born outside of their female biological group. It has been well established that women commit the great majority of child abuse and child murders. It has also been well established that people who are abused as children are more likely to abuse and to commit violent crimes as adults than people who were not abused as children.
Let's stop violence at its source. Let's stop child abuse, and let's make it clear that women commit most child abuse. This could do more than everything else combined to reduce violent crime.
Let's Take Back the Day!
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Something troubles me about several of the posts relating to this case. Are we really sure that Amy Gehring is guilty? Yes, we know that favorable prejudice for her, because she is a woman, might have led to her being acquitted when she is in fact guilty. And prejudice against the accusers, because they are male, could have made a similar contribution. While we should fight these prejudices, the fact remains that she was acquitted. Do we know that she is guilty?
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 05, @02:52PM EST (#5)
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To combat loneliness, she befriended some of her 15- and 16-year-old pupils. They became the centre of her social life. According to the prosecution, she also became infatuated with a 15-year-old boy whom she admitted she found "nice-looking."
Looks like this answers the question fairly well. If you swap the genders what would be the outcome. Sounds like a bit of a confession to me.
D.
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I agree with Thomas on this one. We have to be careful not to become like the mega-fems in these instances. I do believe that she was guilty, but I am willing to accept the fact that she was found innocent -- and I'll leave it at that. After all, we expect support for those men who are found innocent of rape, and we sometimes get angry if claims of guilt on the part of feminists are continued after such men are cleared. And while in many cases, these men are found to be innocent by means of irefutable evidence (DNA), there are other times when they are let go on less solid foundations. All I'm trying to say is that we should treat her like any man who has been found innocent of rape, or we risk become hypocrites like those criticize.
You need your beets -- you recycle, recycle!
Don't eat your beets -- recycle, recycle!
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I need an editor.
You need your beets -- you recycle, recycle!
Don't eat your beets -- recycle, recycle!
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What we need to not forget here is that this woman's intent might have been to get pregnant and have a child. So the boy loses his childhood as is forced to pay child support? I don't care if she was lonely or not, women need to take responsibility for their own actions too. A boy can be raped in many ways of his childhood, just as a girl can.
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There's some indication that she has done something similar before ...
"Jurors knew nothing of the failings in the child protection system which allowed Miss Gehring to continue working in four other schools after allegations that she had seduced a 16-year-old boy and kissed another, aged 15."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ws/2002/02/05/ngehr05.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/02/05/ ixnewstop.html
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See, this is why the rape sheild laws need to be torn down. Women can get this protection but men cannot. Poor Marv Albert...
Frank H
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Amy Gehring is a rapist.
I was 12, and a 17 year old babysitter, a female, raped me, when my parents left us for 3 days.
She threatened me by suggesting I was "queer" or "didn't like girls" and that she would tell my friends.
It caused a lot of pain. I didn't want to have sex, and the suggestion that because I didn't I was "gay" bothered me. Even having no attraction to men, I chased women every chance I got just to prove it.
We have a mature, manipulative mind here screwing around with kids who have yet to grow up. It sickens me, and the double standard disgusts me, and right now, fankly, Damn All Wimmyn to the deepest Hell we can find.
And know what? I hope to hell they find this rapist slut's body by the side of the road somewhere, right next to Margaret Wente's, that ...
...witch, (Capital "B") that wrote the op-ed piece yesterday.
If this is the enlightenment and progress of females, we need to put them in chains.
Aaurgh. The sexist double standard makes me speechless with rage.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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"It's been quite an ordeal for her to go through, and she's held up extremely well. This was a real challenge and she's beat it."
This is shit.
And Pigs fly.
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Take back the day, and make it better.
No viciously sexist arguments, males and females equal in human dignity and neither expendable, no government imposed punishment for consensual sex between (among?) adults, innocent until proven guilty in court, not in front of mob with spraypaint cans.
A satisfying job to do.
Take back the day, and make it better.
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All these ideas sound great, but I was thinking of "Take Back the Day" as a campaign to stop child abuse.
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It has been said a number of times under this topic that this woman has been found innocent.
Despicable as the criteria were for finding her innocent. She was not found basically guilty but with a good excuse. It was claimed that her accusers were lying and the jury believed her. She can not be retried in court or here.
It is true, we have much to complain about. A man would not have had such generous treatment in the press or the judiciary that is for sure. We might also rally for the acceptance from society that women can and do commit sex crimes.
Much better that we focus our rage at various media publications that all but declared her innocent before the trial. Publications which took as their premise the belief that male children want to be sexually abused.
"it is easier to support a popular cause than a just one"~
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I believe that our local paper has the right of it. She crossed the boundary of common decency and the boundary of law. The Free-Press editorial here: http://www.canoe.ca/LondonOpinions/home.html
has the right of the situation.
I don't know her, Otterville is 23 miles from my home, yet I do know some people who do know her. I thing the Free Press have the right and the duty to make the statements they do: "Gehring's actions were deemed not criminal. But that courtroom ruling doesn't excuse her deplorable lack of judgment. More than an ecstatic welcome home to Otterville, Gehring deserves stern rebuke -- and psychological help."
Greg
the Volksgaren Project: Intelligent Abuse Recovery, http://clix.to/support/, jaxom@amtelecom.net, 519-773-9644
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More than an ecstatic welcome home to Otterville, Gehring deserves stern rebuke -- and psychological help."
I'll tell you what she needs is a good old fashioned blanket party, just like would be given to any man who got off on a technicality like she did.
That sick witch is the most convincing argument for retroactive abortion I have ever heard.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 06, @03:39PM EST (#18)
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On the face of it, this article from the BBC entitled "'Sexy Miss': Not a dream come true" seems to hit some of the points we've been making here. However, it rapidly degenerates when one of the experts quoted, one Julie Bindel of the University of North London's child and woman abuse studies unit (any alarms ringing yet?) states :
"A 15-year-old boy has a different sexual response than 15-year-old girl, but abuse is abuse"
This woman gets the rest of the article to herself and states:
But Ms Bindel says the main point of difference is in the public response to such allegations. "It may have been more clearly abuse if a male teacher had been accused, but he would also have been less likely to end up in court.
"His victim may not have been believed. It would have been assumed that she was lying; that it was a malicious accusation; or that she had asked for it.
"Also Amy Gehring has been vilified in the press. On the rare occasions that a male teacher ends up in court, the media either champion him or largely ignore the case."
You see? Unsupported facts, the woman is always more of a victim, court and prosecutors are biased against women, the media are biased against women, men get off more, etc etc repeat to fade...... Why do they even bother attempting to address the issue?
Rob
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Right, everyone always looks at girls who say their teachers has 'indecent relations' with them as lying sluts. *rolls eyes* I'm sorry, in my experience the response of male students who are 'seduced' by their teachers is: "oh, they probably think they are lucky - unlike girls, who are raped." Immense stupidity. Why doesn't anyone ever ask MY opinion on these cases? I'll go and get a degree in Gender Studies or something, just so I can say dumbass things and get away with it.
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How right you are, crescentluna/evil maiden. What I particularly loved from the BBC article cited by anonymous was the statement, "On the rare occasions that a male teacher ends up in court, the media either champion him or largely ignore the case."
When male teachers are brought to trial for sexually abusing their females students, the media champions them? I hate to admit my ignorance, but this is news to me.
Mainstream feminists are completely out of touch with reality. They are truly insane. And the particular example who spouted this wisdom works with the University of North London's child and woman abuse studies unit.
Shooooo weeee!
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...one Julie Bindel of the University of North London's child and woman abuse studies unit (any alarms ringing yet?)...
Julie Bindel is one of the founder members of a UK organisation called 'Justice For Women'. Dammit, guys, I can hear your groans already! For an insight into the nature of this organisation you should take a look at:
http://www.innocent.org.uk/misc/jfw.html
Justice For Women has succeeded in getting a number of women who murdered their husbands freed from prison by depicting them as victims of domestic violence. One of the most odeous victories of theirs was the Free Sara Thornton campaign, which ran in the early 1990s. You can read a brief description of the case at:
http://www.geocities.com/satpalramisguilty/ram_sar a_thornton.html
I remember at the time of the Free Sara Thornton campaign there was an article in one of the more conservative UK newspapers (it may have been the Daily Mail) which contained an interview with Malcolm Thornton's parents. Malcolm was the victim (read that as 'abuser' if you're a feminist). His parents, like his two ex-wives, completely failed to recognise him from Sara Thornton's description of a violent, dunken bully. They also complained about what a hard time they were having getting any media attention for their side of the story. Sara Thornton had become a cause celebre at a time when the UK media was diving headlong into the whole male-bashing thing. I remember feeling really sorry for them. They seemed tiny, and their voices were lost due to a lack of amplification.
One more thing about the Sara Thornton case, which relates to a recent story about a woman who claimed to have 'accidentally' stabbed her boyfriend to death. On the night Malcolm was murdered he had been in a drunken sleep on the couch. Sara claimed she had tried to help him upstairs to bed and then found that she had stabbed him.
Anyway, I hope that gives you a useful insight into who Julie Bindel is.
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The name is "Justice For Women" and the address is innocent.org (!) I think we should start an alternate group, Justice For Women Too, with the sole purpose of starting campaigns to urge that women actually be held accountable for murder/abuse/etc.
I do have a friend connected with what must be an american equivilent, she has spoken about how evil it is to put these women in jail who've been abused by their boyfriends/husbands because they were fighting back.
If it's never okay to hit, as feminists have always said, why's it okay if you're hitting back?
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