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This is a HUGE invasion of privacy. In the United States, I think you'd need "probable cause" to violate every man within any amount of space to the victim before being allowed to get away with something like that.
Scottish activists: I'm behind you. Let us know how we folks in other countries can help you, if we need to.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 24, @03:26PM EST (#2)
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I would hope civil rights groups would come to our aid on this type of invasion. But then again, I'm sure our government databases will eventually have all the information they need. That's what our society is heading toward anyway.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 24, @03:34PM EST (#3)
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Hmmm
This is disgusting. Is the real rapist gonna agree to be tested? Are they going to use "refusal to test " as probable cause for an investigation, and list the names of all those who refuse as potential rapists? Will they destroy the DNA codes of all innocent men that they collect it from? And what about this shit of including 12 year old boys? Didn't the victim have ANY idea of the size, looks, etc of the perp who attacked her?
There is something very fishy and underhanded going on here. Unfortunately, UNLESS they were to do something outrageous (such as listing the names of those who refuse to take such a test "voluntarily") I don't see a revolt happening.
Sighing sadly,
Remo the Male Oppressor
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 24, @04:07PM EST (#4)
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"THere is something very fishy and underhanded going on here."
No doubt. I find it hard to believe that the girl could not tell whether it was a 12 yo or a 40 yo that raped her. This has very, very scary implications. Call me a silly conspiracy theorist, but I have a feeling that catching this specific rapist is merely an excuse to enact such a horrendous ordeal. The contigencies of this will be far reaching if we cannot somehow nip this in the bud. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's much we out-of-towners can do. Suggestions, anyone??
hobbes
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Remo the Male Oppressor
When did you start oppressing males? :)
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This is nothing more than an experiment to see:
1) How compliant males will be in submitting,
2) To see if it might actually be successful.
The answers to these two questions will determine how far the "authorities" go in trying to create a DNA catalog of every male in the country. While I sincerely hope they catch the bugger, assuming there really was a rape, I agree with whoever it was who said that they'd rather go to jail than submit. If the court orders a test on a suspect identified otherwise, that's fine. I believe that the courts have already refused fingerprint searches applied in the same way, and DNA is really no different. For this to even be suggested is an outrage.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 24, @10:47PM EST (#14)
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When did you start oppressing males? :)
Oh, after those three beautiful Genosupremicists took me off for my houseboy training. A few months of wax up the *censored* and paddles and...
.. wakes up...
sweating....
Phew. Actually, I was merely taking the Title feminazi's have given me. Too bad its totally honorary anymore as this newspaper article shows....
Remo
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 24, @10:50PM EST (#15)
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I meant Gynosupremicists. Gynosupremicists in itsy-bitsy-teeny-weenie-yellow-polka-dot-bikinis.. .
Remo (Back in Never-Never land)
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 24, @04:31PM EST (#5)
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They would have to put me in jail before I accepted to take that test
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I've read of a plan to DNA register all men in Germany, but I don't know what came of it. Big Sister is definitely watching. When, oh when, will men wake up, rise up and destroy the evil gynocracy? What can foreigners do to stop this particular fascist act? Scottish activists, let us know.
Contemporary feminism is by far the most insidious evil that humans have ever devised. Twelve-year-old boys, indeed!
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I don't like this. I feel it is an infringement on human rights. Just because you have a penis does not mean you are going to use it for insidious purposes. Genfems (and a lot of the general public) need to learn that. MOST MEN DO NOT THINK BELOW THE BELT. They think above it- and that is the cause and solution of this problem. Sickos who commit rapes and men with the common sense to fight back against false allegations of rape, and defend/support [true] rape victims.
I think it's ironic that many women who complain men think with their genitalia tend to think with THEIRS (Vagina Monologues, anyone??).
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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Yeah, dammit! At least ours don't start talking to themselves in a monologue! Next year it will be the Vagina Dialogues. Pictures at 11.00.
You're a hoot, Lady Rivka.:-)))
Adam Smith
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Maybe they discovered that the task was, at the very least (privacy and rights issues notwithstanding), just too "big".
Even if you could put everyone's DNA into digital storage, (100,000,000 DVDs?) , and do so in single life time, how would you search through it in any pracitcal way?
Then try to imagine keeping it updated.
Where would you keep the back up databse.
If you ever did get the system functioning, how would you deal with clones?
Redundant entries, some guy thinks (thousands of loonies think) it's funny to be put in the tables over and over again. How you know he wasn't (they weren't) already in there without checking the tables first, and how long would it take to search the tables over and over again? What would you do if files went missing, if files were deleted in error, if a group of data became lost within the data tables, how would you know that everything was okay?
It could be done, but it would be "enormously" expesnsive - far beyond the cost of anything we have tried to do before.
It is a kind of holly grail thing.
Kind of like the oxymoronic mythology of Artificial Intelligence.
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The technology required to do this is only a temporary roadblock. It wasn't that long ago that hard disk drives on computers came in flavors of hundreds of kilobits of total storage. Now, you'd be hard pressed to find one less than 1,000 times that. Also, did you ever think, when you bought your 1.5 mbps 8080 machine that you'd see the day when machines would be running 2 gigbits per second?
The technology will rise to meet the demand, and quickly.
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Granted, technology is evolving very quickly, and that evolution is bringing staggering diversity with it. With diversity comes an increasing drain on the resources to finance ever increasing numbers of new technologies. I would still describe the "DNA database" as a mountain rather than roadblock.
It just won't yield results worth spending the money on. It would become a bureaucratic and financial black hole.
Where are my internet movies on demand? Why is there still so much paper in use all over the place?
This system is not only still a long way off, if it comes at all, but also by the time it gets here, it will be the least of our concerns.
The issue IMHO isn't to stop data collection (tear down the mechanical weaving looms), the issue is to guarantee even enhance our freedoms with and in spite of the data.
I was in court today, not a computer terminal in sight. Lots of paper though. Some guy had put up bail for a person and the person was a no-show. He was in court for the opportunity to argue against the forfeiture of his bail money - about $1,500.00. He claimed that the reason the person didn't show up for court "here" (Ontario) was because the person was in jail in a city in Alberta. There were two people in that court with the same kind of story the other no-show was in jail in a different city in Ontario at the time. They had to step down those two cases pending verification of the facts. I guess "Big Brother" was just not watching.
Constructing, populating, updating, and managing a DNA database would make cracking 128 bit encryption child's play by comparison.
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The are "asking" the men to come forward and give his DNA for review? What good will this do? It sounds completely voluntary and its not bloody likely the rapist will come forward. Even if the mandated that men give a DNA sample, before they could get the thing underway the rapist could quietly slip away.
The whole thing doesn't make sense from any angle.
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Social pressure is extremely strong for humans. Could this be like "asking" Jews to wear a yellow star?
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I would have to say yes myself. Since I have Jewish ancestry, the 'race' or 'ethnicity' thing was very obvious. I just get the feeling too many men don't see it as clearly yet, that if your male, the feminists 'vant to see your papers, und here is your star!' I think swift civil dissobedience is called for, and no time wasting in the mobilization. If it happened here, I garantee you I won't be waiting for the nurse with the swab to come my way, and I would no doubt find enough guys, and gals, willing to risk everything, because I'm really fed up with this kind of crap. Don't take it laying down, Scottish brothers! Jeez, I better go calm down.
Adam Smith
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Don't take it laying down, Scottish brothers!
This would be a good place to make a stand.
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"Detectives are asking every male aged between 12 and 40(sic!) and living within 300 metres of the scene of the assault to take part in the screening."
It is interesting to learn that after the age of 40, males in Scotland are no longer considered capable of rape. :)Scotland might be a prime market for Viagra.
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I'll take a couple while yer at it! I bet a bunch of us would.
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When the police issue a similar order against women and they will eventually. What will the gender-feminist repsonse be? This goes directly against the feminist ideas of "control of body."
Why aren't the feminists, of any type, standing against this practice? It is a threat to them. It is also a threat to men's control of their bodies, which goes to the problem of some women "raping" men for a sperm sample to use in AI (happens to wealthy younger men). Which brings up the question of is this rape or robbery or both?
Can you see how the problem is multi-faceted and complex and while a threat to all people, it is men who are at the greatest danger.
Greg
the Volksgaren Project: Intelligent Abuse Recovery, http://clix.to/support/, jaxom@amtelecom.net, 519-773-9644
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