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by Anonymous User on Saturday January 19, @04:17PM EST (#1)
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There are a thousand other ways women can get men into trouble, they don't lie about rape. If you think removing rape shield laws is good then you are nothing but a bunch of cowardly, lying dogs who promote rape and want to get away with it.
This web site is pissing off a lot of people and if you don't grow up soon, they will have it taken down. It's been done before.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday January 19, @05:08PM EST (#2)
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Well, anonymous friend, if women "don't" do this, can you explain why every month or so we read of another man being freed on DNA evidence after years and years of incarceration for a false accusation? Some of them may be mistaken allegations, but there's no way all of them are, and I highly doubt that most of them are. When the US Air Force investigated 556 cases of alleged rape, 27% of the women admitted they lied either just before they took a lie-detector test or after failing one. Then they researched the matter further and the number way way higher than 27%. When they later surveyed the women about their motives, the most common reason was "spite or revenge." Some of the others were guilt, to cover up an affair, mental illness, and other. ("False Allegations," Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11, no. 4, 12/85 (a publication of the US Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Washington, DC). There are other government studies that confirm the very high number of false rape allegations. There is a great chapter in Warren Farrell's "The Myth of Male Power" about it. You're welcome to make comments here. But we are not gender feminists, so if you want to be taken seriously you'll need to back up what you're saying with facts rather than conjecture, and you'll also need to be willing to consider and look up the sources others refer you to in response. Otherwise, you're not debating, you're reacting. Sad to say, that's how most gender feminists operate.
Shut the site down? Trust me, it will pop back up somewhere else even larger. We are "speaking truth to power," and that can only be stopped for so long. Eventually the truth will become known.
Marc
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Shut the site down? Trust me, it will pop back up somewhere else even larger. We are "speaking truth to power," and that can only be stopped for so long. Eventually the truth will become known.
Indeed, Marc. Besides, the gender feminist efforts to censor sites like MANN are only more proof that they're upset about being exposed for who and what they really are.
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Ahhh!!! Big Cyster found us! Hide!
Geez, it's like arguing with a 3 year old.
*Note to Genfem trolls: For once, try backing up your absurd claims with some empirical evidence. Women don't lie about rape? Pray tell, how did you come to that conclusion? Is that fact, or wishful thinking? If there is any evidence to support your claim, cite the source. We'll make sure it gets discredited promptly (if it hasn't already been). If you can't support what you claim, maybe you should re-think your argument.
Ignorance is not a virtue.
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One more thought I had: if the genfems are so concerned about this information getting out to the public, why would they shut down a site like MANN, which simply provides links to articles on other sites, which actually do the information providing? Hmmm. That's something to consider. Our little genfem troll wants to shut down MANN, not Reason magazine, which is the publication that actually printed the article.
Note also that our genfem troll had no real idea whether the men here supported Cathy Young's argument or not, considering s/he was the first to post on this thread.
Sigh. No logic to the genfems. No logic at all.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday January 19, @06:59PM EST (#6)
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"Note also that our genfem troll had no real idea whether the men here supported Cathy Young's argument or not, considering s/he was the first to post on this thread. Sigh. No logic to the genfems. No logic at all."
So true, Nightmist. She says "you guys want to get rid of rape shield laws?" when in fact Cathy Young was not attacking rape shield laws per se but the way many of them are being used. She (and I agree) has no problem with excluding the "you had lots of sex with others in the past so you probably consented here" argument. That's what rape shield laws were supposed to protect from. But in many states they are stretched way too far to exclude even very important evidence that goes beyond mere promiscuity.
Also, as many of us know, California's Rape Shield Laws exclude prison rape victims (Cal Evidence Code 1103). Gee I wonder why.
Marc
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She (and I agree) has no problem with excluding the "you had lots of sex with others in the past so you probably consented here" argument. That's what rape shield laws were supposed to protect from. But in many states they are stretched way too far...
Very true. Unfortunately, these laws can now be used even to suppress a history (herstory?) of false accusations on the part of the accuser.
As for the statement, This web site is pissing off a lot of people... Well, that just made my day.
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I've been visiting this site for little more than a month, and already I've gotten about a dozen others to visit it as well. Our movement is growing, and growing, and to our genfem friend: There is nothing you can do about it.
Your time has come.
You need your beets -- you recycle, recycle!
Don't eat your beets -- recycle, recycle!
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Your time has come.
And our time has come as well, Anthony. I sit here with a smile on my face.
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Thomas:
The funny thing is that whenever you visit a feminist bulletin board -- just to look, not ev2en comment -- you see complaints that men are "invading their feminist space." Well, if they are really so concerned about protecting their space, why are they drawing attention to it by antagonizing us? Shouldn't the same rule apply, we leave you alone, you leave us alone?
You need your beets -- you recycle, recycle!
Don't eat your beets -- recycle, recycle!
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by Anonymous User on Saturday January 19, @10:18PM EST (#11)
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For every man who is falsely accused, 100 women are raped and never come forward. If you think it's better to let rapists get away with violating dozens or hundreds of women than to convict a few innocents, and you can live with yourself, you have no right to call yourself a real man.
Who here is man enough to stand up to rape? I bet none of you have ever used any of your activism to stop sexism and the violation of women. You thrive on it instead. I have news for you, the world is going to change, and if men don't learn to respect women, you'll need to worry about a lot more than rape shield laws.
This site will go down. I promise.
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For every man who is falsely accused, 100 women are raped and never come forward. If you think it's better to let rapists get away with violating dozens or hundreds of women than to convict a few innocents, and you can live with yourself, you have no right to call yourself a real man.
Source please?
Who here is man enough to stand up to rape? I bet none of you have ever used any of your activism to stop sexism and the violation of women. You thrive on it instead. I have news for you, the world is going to change, and if men don't learn to respect women, you'll need to worry about a lot more than rape shield laws.
Men already respect women, Ms. Radfem. You're simply too blinded by hate to see it.
This site will go down. I promise.
If it does, I'll simply provide space for it on my own. There are *lots* of techies who visit this site, and I don't think any of us would be willing to allow Scott's work to be removed just because a radfem doesn't agree with it. Ever heard of free expression? You're welcome to disagree with us, but you're not welcome to censor us.
With that, I'll let you go trolling your merry way.
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Since you referred to us as "cowardly, lying dogs" in your post, I do hope you have the integrity to at least say who you are, if you are going to attack this site.
Your accusations about the administrators and users of this site are completely unfounded. You haven't, nor can you, produce any evidence whatsoever that anyone here promotes or condones rape.
Scott
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What I find most humerous is that you continue to insult the members here, and yet in the very same paragraph you demand respect from men.
What you could do is sit down, think carefully about what you want to say, research the facts, and then argue your opinion (which is supported by factual evidence) like a civilised human being.
Remember, like assholes, everyone has an opinion. So no matter how strong your opinion is, it may well be worthless if you have no supporting evidence. And please refrain from blanketing the members here with closed-minded immature insults.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday January 20, @01:00AM EST (#16)
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Guys, guys, -- hey GUYS!
Lets not respond to this troll. You can tell a troll by unsupported outrageous statments backed up with a healthy dose of insults. Lets face it, I don't think this troublemaker/nutcase/boredteentryingtstiruptrouble etc. is interested in a real debate. Heh. Perhaps it is a woman who really was raped. None of us deny there is plenty of them, and thinking logically might be a bit much to ask now, anyhow. Anyway, even if , in the end they win, the genfems will still probably lose. See, they will learn what men learn in family court-- how it feels to be raped by the State. Difference is, they will know they set their system up -- or maybe not. Maybe they will go down blaming men to the bitter, lonely, end.
Remo
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by Anonymous User on Sunday January 20, @02:02AM EST (#17)
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Even if it were true that "100 women are raped and don't come forward for every man falsely accused" (no credible source for this that I've seen yet), that wouldn't remain true if we consider that a false accusation is a form of psychological rape, as Warren Farrell argues. How many men are raped psychologically by false accusations and, even if not convicted, have their emotional lives and reputations and maybe even careers destroyed? Plus, as we know, all the men raped in prison get an ounce of public attention to every ton of attention given to female rape victims.
Oh, sorry, I forgot we aren't going to bother answering the troll. I may be a bit out of touch here, but what the heck a "troll" is anyway?
Marc
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"For every man who is falsely accused, 100 women
are raped and never come forward. If you think it's better to let rapists get away with violating dozens or hundreds of women than to convict a few innocents, and you can live with yourself, you have no right to call yourself a real man."
What gives you the right to define "man"? I am and was always against rape, but I will NEVER submit to a gender feminist defination of manhood that leaves me ashamed and full of self-pity. I have already gone through that -- no more. You try to shut down this site, you won't succeed. Even if you did, many more will take its place. Unlike newspapers or television, the internet is one medium where our pain and anger will no longer be silenced.
You need your beets -- you recycle, recycle!
Don't eat your beets -- recycle, recycle!
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>"What gives you the right to define 'man'?"
Thanks, anthony, I was just going to point that out.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday January 20, @12:51PM EST (#24)
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[Note I'm not the anon who makes up stats and use threats to make up for manners]
"For every man who is falsely accused, 100 women are raped and never come forward. If you think it's better to let rapists get away with violating dozens or hundreds of women than to convict a few innocents, and you can live with yourself, you have no right to call yourself a real man. "
There you have it ladies and gentlemen. In order to stop unreported rape we must lock up innocent men. And we know the numbers are right because women don't lie about made-up statistics either.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday January 20, @01:55PM EST (#25)
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"A few days back I used the term 'gender terrorist.' Marc and others objected, to a degree."
I think this is a small mistake. I don't recall objecting to that.
Marc
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by Anonymous User on Sunday January 20, @03:11PM EST (#26)
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I'm sorry Marc. In fact, it was BusterB, and it was in response to a submission about a woman accused of attempting to kill the husband of a friend. However, FWIW, it's not something that I was especially wound up about. I just wanted to note that not everyone here agrees with the use of the term "gender terrorist."
Frank H
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Hello. I am new here. This is the first time I have ever posted on this website. I didn't feel the need to post anything until I witnessed what this fool had scrawled across this fine webpage.
I was silent once before when I heard the howls from the feminist groups who claimed that, "Women don't lie about rape". This of course is outright bullshit. While I was in college I suffered the horror of a false accusation of rape.
Fortunately, I never ended up in jail. Although, much of my existence since
then has felt like it.
For years, I have hid this horrible episode in my life from nearly everyone I know. But recently I have found the courage to open up about it. Part of that I owe to Scott and his fine website. I visit here nearly everday, mostly for affirmation of what I already know. The fact that there are people in this world who are unafraid to speak the truth gives me hope. But I digress.
For the little coward hiding behind a computer monitor, women DO lie about rape. I have first hand knowledge of this dispicable act.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday January 20, @09:11AM EST (#20)
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Anonymous your confusing me.
First you say that women "don't lie about rape", then you say it's 1/100. Which is it? You call us liars (lying dogs). Actually, most of the people on this site are quite sincere. We may not always be right, but we're sincere. Threatening to shut the site down is no threat to us at all. What do you expect we're going to, pretend we don't think what we think and express things other than what we feel--so we won't get shut down! That's nonsense. Personally I'm glad you posted--it provides a touchstone to our movement. The way you articulate yourself makes us look awefully good in the comparison. You seem to be a person who is in a lot of emotional pain, and you're very angry. In this, you have a lot in common with many people that visit this site. I'd love to hear why your so angry; and unlike some of the people on this site I'm not going to presume that I know why. I would love to hear how you've come to your opinions. But if you think you can control what we're saying, or how we say it,I think you going to be in for a big disappointment. What makes you think you have the right to do this? This is infantile behavior in my opinion--and on this particular point, perhaps you're the one that needs to "grow up."
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This web site is pissing off a lot of people
Like Thomas said this statement made my day. I have spent years of frustration watching and trying to respond to lies and half-truths spoken as gospel by people like this poster. Using the media as a bullhorn and a petrified and paralylzed academia as justification the gender feminists have spun a web of MSinformation that has left men vulnerable and demonized in many ways. Small voices like my own have not been enough to even put a dent in this spin-flood. But the tide is starting to turn! Messages like this are proof that the dam is indeed leaking and is in the process of cracking. It won't be long now before the deluge and the gender feminsists are seen for what they are: a hate group.
Thank you Scott and thanks to all of the men here. Your voices are power. The troll is simply helping our focus and proving their lack of truth and integrity.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday January 20, @11:30AM EST (#22)
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A few days back I used the term "gender terrorist." Marc and others objected, to a degree. But I think it's time we resurrected the term: gender terrorist. This troll surely is one.
Frank H
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the tide is starting to turn... It won't be long now before the deluge and the gender feminsists are seen for what they are: a hate group.
So very true. The gender feminists are extremely powerful and deeply entrenched, so the fight will be long and often ugly. But we have a weapon that they will never have: Truth.
Despite all the monstrous, evil oppression of men and boys under the gynocracy, we will win. Believe it!
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