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Follow-up Article About the Suicide of Mr. Derrick
posted by Scott on Saturday January 12, @04:07PM
from the news dept.
News Luek writes "Journalist Glenn Sacks has written and posted an article about the high rate of male suicides based on the tragic death of Mr. Miller on the courthouse steps January 8th." Thanks also to ronn for submitting this link from the Union Tribune, which published Sacks' article. This definitely is a topic that should get people's attention and get them to start asking why this is becoming such a trend. How can people continue to ignore the suicide of men and fathers?

Source: The Union Tribune [newspaper]

Title: America's suicide epidemic worsens

Author: Glenn Sacks

Date: January 11, 2002

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Death Looks Better... (Score:1)
by tparker on Sunday January 13, @12:05AM EST (#1)
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...than life to a lot of people - most of them men. In 1998, 24,538 men and boys comitted suicide - 80% of all suicides in the US. By comparison, 16,833 people were victims of homicide that year. Compared to men and women who were victims of homicide, half again as many men and boys killed themselves. And the numbers have been rising, steadily.

Derrick Miller's death gives us insight into one set of reasons for masculine self-murder. How many others simply fail to register on the social radar? And why?

I'm told sociologists use suicide rates to identify oppressed groups for organizations like the UN. The more suicides and the shorter the lifespan compared to the national standard, the greater the probability that the group being considered is oppressed in some fashion. By those standards, perhaps men in First World nations are an oppressed class. And more of us every year are dying to get out from under. Literally.
Re:Death Looks Better... (Score:2)
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Sunday January 13, @12:31AM EST (#2)
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Indeed. Death does look better to some. My next column for ifeminists.com will deal with this very subject from a media perspective. Look for it both here and on ifeminists.com on Tuesday.


Re:Death Looks Better... (Score:2)
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Sunday January 13, @12:32AM EST (#3)
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...than life to a lot of people - most of them men. In 1998, 24,538 men and boys comitted suicide - 80% of all suicides in the US. By comparison, 16,833 people were victims of homicide that year. Compared to men and women who were victims of homicide, half again as many men and boys killed themselves. And the numbers have been rising, steadily.

tparker, do you have a source for those stats? I'd love to quote them.

Re:Death Looks Better... (Score:1)
by tparker on Sunday January 13, @01:44AM EST (#4)
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look here: http://members.w-link.net/~parkertr/RefDesk.htm under the Violence topic, Suicide page. The numbers are summarized there for 1981 to 1998, and links to the original source material are provided. If you can use it, great - that's what it is there for.
As Usual (Score:1)
by DanCurry on Monday January 14, @02:00PM EST (#5)
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Glenn did a great job identifying and explaining the problem.

I'm constantly shocked at the coldness one can be met with when stating they were ordered to pay an unfair Child Support award. They (the greed stricken ones) refuse to acknoledge the abuse they created and allowed to continue.

Glenn mentioned a case where a man was ordered to pay twice in monthly income with no relief from the courts. This has been echoed in many cases including my own. These impossible to pay orders are more common than anyone seems to want to admit. Judges are routinely accepting unproven financial information in the child support calculations. This is both illegal and in direct violation of state and federal law. The appeals courts rarely take divorce cases and when they do, they almost always rule against the man and in favor of the corrupt system and it's profits.

What we really need is a database of offending judges and attorney's to publicly scorn these lowlife characters. But then again, I'm sure they would tie any such effort up in liable suits to stiffle any real justice.

Shame on those who profit from the suffering of others.

Dan Curry
DanCurry.Com

Re:As Usual (Score:1)
by tparker on Monday January 14, @02:36PM EST (#6)
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==Dan Curry==
What we really need is a database of offending judges and attorney's to publicly scorn these lowlife characters. But then again, I'm sure they would tie any such effort up in liable suits to stiffle any real justice.
==/Dan Curry==

have a look here -
http://www.fathers.bc.ca/dish/toc.htm

An attempt is being made to do this for Canada. Might work in US and elsewhere. Seems to me that a simple recital of facts won't set you up for civil suits. If you should name your page something like "Father UN-Friendly", you'd get your point across. Collect the stories and keep score against the names - be interesting to see what a year of that would produce. Similar to publishing the voting record of a legislator.
suicide rate (Score:1)
by Lorianne on Monday January 14, @09:02PM EST (#7)
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Here is a site which breaks down suicide rates by sex and age and country. The USA falls in about the middle of the scale among wealthier "western" countries.

http://www.trinity.edu/~mkearl/death-su.html

Also, it might be useful to compare the suicide rate of those in bankrutpy or tax arrears court with those of people paying CS. But I wasn't able to find anything comparing these two.
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