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She didn't know how much trouble he'd get into? Yeah right. I don't believe it for a second. Try that lying sprog as an adult, throw her in an adult prison, and don't let her pathetic ass out until she's old enough to collect Social Security. I'm sure her new cellmate, Big Bertha, will be more than happy to show her what sexual abuse really is.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 10, @03:39PM EST (#2)
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Claire:
I'm with you here, except that I really believe her as far as not understanding the penalties. She was in fourth grade at the time. How much criminal law did you know or , more importantly, understand when you were in the fourth grade?
Come to think of it, how much criminal law do you understand now? I've learned a heck of alot , and I admit to understanding just the tips of an ice-burg. Our laws are full of vaguely worded and otherwise obscure statutes. But we all have zero-tolerance for sexual abuse (definitions vary from State to State, city to city, and psychologist to psychologist), violence (that shove is treated the same as if you used the brickbat you wanted to use), sexual harassment (hoooboy), and hate speech (thought crime anyone?).
Thus, its not surprising that on the mere unsubstantiated word of a girl/woman a man can be sent away for most of his natural life.And if he ever gets out, he can forget having a chance at decent employment and half his civil rights. And I thought men were the ones who have all the power?
Remo
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The jury foreMAN(sic) bemusedly said;
"""She was absolutely believable," said the foreman of the jury, who asked that he not be identified. "Based upon what I know and what I saw in that girl's eyes, and her testimony, myself and the other 11 jurors really believed he was guilty."""
I guess I would be a little bemused too if I just learned I had ruined someone's life on the word of an eleven year old little girl.
Why are the words of children in sexual matters so damn believable when they are otherwise considered so incompetent and unmature that they aren't allowed to vote, make contracts etc. But when testifying without collaborating evidence against a man about sexual abuse they are considered the paradigms of truth and virtue.
I think the old canard is that "little children can't possibly make up something like sexual abuse." But they can and do with a little help of prosecuting attorneys only interested in getting a conviction not justice, police investigators and social workers that "plant" evidence in the child's mind after an unsubstantiated allegation of sexual abuse has been made.
Now the taxpayers have wasted at least $100,000 in prosecuting and incarcerating an innocent man.
Way to go you jerks!
Remember this if you ever get picked for jury duty in one of these cases.
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Why are the words of children in sexual matters so damn believable when they are otherwise considered so incompetent and unmature that they aren't allowed to vote, make contracts etc.
And it has always been thus. Remember that the infamous Salem Witch Trials launched upon the fairy tales of two or three young girls, who invented the tales to get back at people they didn't like.
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My wife is school teacher and I was a child. As I raise my sone, one thing I will remember from the experiences of both is that kids lie their rear-ends off.
Kids make up all kinds of sh**. Where do these prosecuters put their heads when they KNOW that the active sexual age for children is decreasing. They don't wake up and just go have sex. Its all around them. I sure as hell the difference between boys and girls by the time I was 11. Not that I didn't do anything, but I could have made a lot of stuff up.
I am just floored when people are surprised when a child lies. It's simply part of being a child and figuring out what reality actually consists of.
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Trying the child as an adult is very reasonable. The state should make an example of children who do this, or if this is unacceptable, the persons responsible for the child should be imprisoned.
That would tend to deter parents and prosecutors who wish to use children to convict innocent men. The argument that such a ruling would discourage children from testifying against actual abusers would be mitigated by the fact that the child would be protected to the extent that the child was telling the truth.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 10, @04:43PM EST (#5)
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i met a nice woman who had a child, she was a single mom. she was nice enough, but her child was a little brat who viewed any person that recieved any attention from her mother as a threat. this girl also attends a highly progressive school.
anytime this girl would hang out with boys her own age she was completely conditioned into thinking that the boys abused and oppressed her somehow, yet when i saw her playing with them it looked like perfectly normal childsplay.
i took care of her one night, and walked in on her playing with a naked ken and a barbie in a highly sexual way, told her to stop, and later put her to bed.
next day her mom calls me at work and said i should not encourage her daughter into suggestive "play" with her dolls and that i should not tell her to "go to bed" but ask her to. she acted as if it was somehow my fault and she saw no accountability for the girls own actions.
i knew that there would be issues here, despite my good intentions, i got out of her scene immediatly and never went back. i should note that there were other issues too, but this was too much for me.
today's laws are scary, and i can't have this type of dynamic hanging over my head all my life.
my story was sad for me, but obviously it is not as bad as the poor fellow and the lying little girl that incarcerated him. today's girls are told that they can only be victimized by men, and many of them know how to "play this up" and are ready to exploit the system if they need to.
we should try to help this guy somehow.
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Children are smart. They learn how to manipulate adults very quickly. Why educated law professionals fail to see this must simply be a matter of choice.
Point is case is that when my parents were getting a divorce, I quickly learned to manipulate their feelings and emotions to my benefit. Looking back on it, I am a bit ashamed of my actions, but then I did not have the emotional maturity to really grasp the wrongness at the time. I surely do not hold the absurd notion that I was the only child who ever did this, or that I took it to the furthest extent.
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This story demonstrates a deep and sinister systemic collection of attitudes and actions against men.
The jury wanted to give this man 73 years for touching a young female.
According to the story, the man and child didn't even have sex.
Women who MURDER infants typically get 3-10 years in jail.
Women who have sex with young boys (real sex - not just touching) are almost never prosecuted.
This demonstrates the astounding success of the feminist propaganda technique of calling all men child abusers, rapists, sexual harassers, pedophiles etc for thirty years via the media.
The multi-decade propaganda campaign changed most people's attitudes - which of course includes juries.
This jury clearly believed that if a man is accused of anything sexual, then he is obviously guilty and should be punished as though he were a mass murderer.
This is the attitude that the feminists were trying to instill in the population and they have been more successful than even they thought possible.
Feminist propaganda is jury tampering in its worse sense and it has helped make a mockery of the law and terrorize countless men.
As we see here the propaganda affects MEN just as much as women.
These men should be ashamed of their own stupidity and of being so eager to condemn another man with zero evidence against him.
This demonstrates the incredible ignorance in society of feminist techniques.
It should also be pointed out the child got the idea of a false accusation from a school program. These "programs" were brought into being by the feminists and I am sure have often initiated a false accusation against an innocent man.
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These men should be ashamed of their own stupidity and of being so eager to condemn another man with zero evidence against him.
The Nazis would have had a far more difficult time in their occupied territories without les collaborateurs.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 10, @11:33PM EST (#10)
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Must I mention the contribution here of the religious right? Who is it that helps NOW with its various attempts at banning porn? Who helps push for the laws that are passed to "Protect the children"?
This country has always been a bit more uptight about sex then most of the world. Thats not always a bad thing. BUT once we added the equation of sex=power (the feminists contribution) , the demonization of male sexuality was complete.
We have no one to blame but ourselves.
Remo
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by Anonymous User on Friday January 11, @08:09PM EST (#12)
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But of course.........another story about a man who has been hammered by the Criminal (IN)justice System here in the Good Old U>S>A> Makes me want to get out there and march to a John Phillip Souze song and salute the Red/White//Blue!!!
I can remember being at the genesis of the Child Abuse Witchhunt in Riverside California in the early 1980's. I was working for the District Attorney before going back to Juvenile Division of Probation Deptartment. A male probation officer stood up in this meeting of several hundred government social worker types and warned the speakers to: (words to the effect) "Why don't we stop, take a deep breath, and consider our objectives in a logical, LEGAL, manner" Of course he was booed down and it was then that I noticed most were women, in comfortable shoes. Oprah was'nt on the tube then, but the first time I watched her 'work the room', I flashed back on that two day SEMINAR. One Judge, a known lesbian, who wanted to be a celebrity and get into the history books (wore the Columbo fatigue overcoat, tennies, etc) was a spearhead and eventually amended the RULES OF EVIDENCE, which basically denied 5th & 6th amendments for accused-mostly men. We legal beagles have watched the Witch hunt evolve into, what I call, the Americas' Dark Ages, and even Liberal news media have picked up on men AND WOMEN who have been ruined by (often Lesbian) prosecutors and money grabbing DAs, Sheriffs' Dept, attorneys, etc.
The concept that 'children dont lie' has been used, abused, then disproved through the years. There doesn't seem to be any momentum to re-establish our rights under, at least, 6th amendment 'guarantees'. This case is one of many describing uninformed regular Joe Lunchbuckets, who do the dirty work, abide by social and community contracts, and get shafted because the Criminal (IN)justice system has been turned into a source of 'EMPOWERMENT" of women. Many are women who simply hate men.
Not enough men are aware of these risks, maybe too many ball bouncers, eh? And certainly not enough policians are willing to fight for EQUAL RIGHTS for men, which translates into RE-ESTABLISHING due process protection for all.
The bloodiest fighting in the future struggles betwen the genders will be at the cross-roads of the 14th Amendment!
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