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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 02, @01:40PM EST (#1)
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I have been communicating with Merriam-Webster over the omission of the word "misandry" from their online (collegiate) dictionary for 3 months now.
Even though the word meets the current standard of acceptance (i.e. recent mention in a major newspaper -LA Times, published books, references...) Rose Martino (point of contact) has given me double speak and has not been honest with me every time I contact her and follow up on it's progress.
I noted to M-W that even as an antonym "misandry" deserves to be included. The Webster dictionary recognizes every type of "dislike" in it expect for the dislike (hatred) of men. Even the hatred of marriage (coincidence that this word is politically "inline" with feminism even though it is more rare of a word than Misandry is...I think not). M-W is "towing" some political agenda instead of providing unbiased reference in it's most popular dictionary version
I have saved all the emails and intend to submit the whole charade here for review. It is unbelievable how the requirements keep shifting every time I meet M-W's demands. I have provided them with all the reference material that they need, and they threw it away.
Right now "misandry" has been put "on file" and they can't tell me if and when it will ever make it to the review process. They act as if it's some huge ordeal to add a word. Liars.
My advice to anyone that intends to submit comments to any publication - if you can include the word "misandry" please do and make sure it gets printed. This is the first criteria that they use in adding words to dictionaries.
This may seem a trivial matter, but without reference to the word "misandry" it's easy to deny that this common type of hatred even exists - and that "misandry" as a concept lacks validity.
Control the language, control the mind.
Ched
cheddah@altavista.com
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I've talked with them as well and got the same response. Misandry is in the unabridged version. They feel it is not yet used enough to be in the collegiate...
I think they are wrong and bowing to pressure.
Greg
the Volksgaren Project: Intelligent Abuse Recovery, http://clix.to/support/, jaxom@amtelecom.net, 519-773-9644
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http://lists.village.virginia.edu/lists_archive/Hu manist/v03/0328.html
Here's an excerpt from the link above. Note the dates:
Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 3, No. 329. Saturday, 5 Aug 1989.
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 89 07:33 CDT
From: HANLY@UOFMCC
Subject: gender specific man haters (concluded?)
Thanks to all those who have provided communications
concerning gender specific man haters. This is a
short summary of the situation as it seems to me.
The appropriate root term in Greek is ANDR
meaning `man' -in the gender sense. Words such
as `polyandrous' illustrate this root. Using
this root and the existing `feminine' terms
`misogyny' and `misogynist' we could form
the following pairings:
misogyny --- misandry
misogynist --- misandrist
The `male' pairings seem to be lacking in
attraction to lexicographers, in particular
those associated with the OED. Our edition
of the OED lists neither `misandry' nor
`misandrist'. A l976 supplement lists
`misandry' under the prefix `miso'-presumably
because `miso' is the prefix of the existing
female term. (Isn't that sexist?) Quotations
illustrating the use of `misandry' are from
1946 and 1960 ,rather recent in lexicographic
terms. `misandrist' is not listed at all.
The Webster's 3rd International recognises
`misandry' but not `misandrist'.
Perhaps some budding Sam Johnson--the front runner
among lexicographers-- is reading this, and
having perfected a protocol for citing electronic
texts, will recognise this HUMANIST text by
citing it in his online dictionary.
We will end then not with a use but a
mention. `misandrist'.
Ken Hanly Brandon Univ.
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Misogyny is in their online collegiate version and I really don't hear or see that word used too often. So why do they exclude Misandry? (a rhetorical question if there ever was one!)
You could point out that their competition lists Misandry. I am looking at page 1122 of my brand new copy of the most current American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition and there is MISANDRY defined!
There is also an excellent online Encarta definition of Misandry at:
http://dictionary.msn.com/find/entry.asp?search=mi sandry
The definition is all over the place!
You are obviously getting the ol' corporate "blowoff!"
Merriam-Webster should get with the program or get out of the business. They have really never been my favorite document source for definitions anyway.
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YAAY! They've added that word [misandry] to some dictionaries! Now only if they'd be smart enough to add it to the rest of them. Ideas or realities need words to describe them!!
L.R.
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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With whom are you coresponding?
They must include it if they include misanthrope.
It is a legitimate construction. I would like to also contact them in support of this issue.
Thanks in advance.
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Is there a word for hatred of lexicographers??? miso-soupo-lexo???
Please do publish the email address and names so more of us can let them know what we are thinking...
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 03, @09:45AM EST (#12)
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rmartino@Merriam-Webster.com
She will give you the "runaround"
i.e.
It will have to go throught the review process (yeah, that is what she said three months ago)
Provide examples, which I did.
It never moves through M-W's process...
Good luck.
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From: "Donald"
To: "ROSE MARTINO"
References:
Subject: Re: misandry
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:48:04 -0500
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Thank you for your prompt response.
Respectfully
Donald Cameron
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROSE MARTINO"
To: "Donald"
Cc: "cc"
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: misandry
> While I fear that there is no way to convince you, I would like to
> point out once more that "misandry" *is* included in our largest and most
> comprehensive dictionary. We are only omitting it from the smaller,
> abridged version.
> Our policy is to reflect the use of language in general society, and
> this means that sometimes, we are going to reflect a societal bias as
well,
> because we cannot turn the dictionary into a political instrument. In
> essence, if we enter "misandry" in an effort to correct societal bias, you
> run the risk that we will become precisely the biased forum that you
believe
> us to be (and one day, we might make a judgment based upon politics or
> persuasive argument that you would dislike). If we have insufficient
> evidence that "misandry" is used by the general population, we cannot
enter
> it in an abridged dictionary, where space is at a premium.
> As things stand, however, I doubt that there is anything we can do to
> prove that we are not leaving out this word deliberately. Furthermore,
this
> discussion is rapidly becoming fruitless. Allow me to repeat, just for
the
> record - "misandry" is in the dictionary. It's just not in the one on our
> web site (and that dictionary was chosen for the web site because of its
> popularity and its existence in digital form, not because it omits
> "misandry"). The entry in Webster's Third New International Dictionary,
> Unabridged reads ":a hatred of men to bring up her daughter in a spirit of misandry> - opposed to
misogyny."
>
> Rose Martino
> Assistant Editor
>
> Merriam-Webster, Inc.
> 47 Federal Street, P.O. Box 281
> Springfield, MA 01102
> Phone: 413-734-3134 (general)
> http://www.Merriam-Webster.com and http://WordCentral.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald
> To: rmartino@Merriam-Webster.com
> Date: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:12 AM
> Subject: RE: misandry
>
>
> I have been reading about your reluctance to include this word in your
> dictionary;
> Maybe the problem is that you are in fact misandrist, and your company
> supports and endorses hatred, fear, and loathing of men by women and
> government.
>
>
> This word is a variation on "misanthropy" as is misogyny
> note:
> The Original Roget's Thesaurus of English Words and Phrases (Americanized
> Version) is licensed from Longman Group UK Limited. Copyright © 1994 by
> Longman Group UK Limited. All rights reserved.
>
>
> Emotion, religion and morality: Interpersonal emotion: Misanthropy
>
> misanthrope (noun)
>
>
> Emotion, religion and morality: Interpersonal emotion: Misanthropy
>
> misanthrope (noun)
>
> misanthrope, misanthropist, hater of the human race, man-hater,
woman-hater,
> misandrist, misogynist
>
> cynic, Diogenes, Alceste
>
> egotist
>
> no patriot, defeatist
>
> world-hater, unsocial animal, solitary
>
> bear, crosspatch, sulker, malcontent
>
>
> Other Forms
>
> enemy: misanthropist, misogynist, misanthrope
>
> shrew: bear, misanthrope
>
> celibate: enemy of marriage, misogamist, misogynist, misanthrope
>
> disapprover: misogynist, misandrist, misanthrope
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>
>
>
>
> as well
>
> The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English
> by Judy Pearsall (Editor)
> Hardcover - 1696 pages 10th Indx edition (October 1999)
> Oxford Univ Pr (Trade); ISBN: 0198602871 ;
> Dimensions (in inches): 2.42 x 9.56 x 6.57
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0198602871/ ref=ed_oe_h/107-3561694-00
> 84547
> The definition starts on page 909 continues on page 910.
> BeginDefinition:
> "- hatred of men"
> "- ORIGIN 1940s: from GK miso- 'hating' + aner, andr- 'man',
> on the pattern of misogyny."
> EndDefinition.
>
>
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by Anonymous User on Friday January 04, @10:20AM EST (#25)
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M-W most popular (not largest) is it's collegiate version that is offered online.
To say that there is room for "misogyny" but not "misandry" is hypocritical.
Rose told me that M-W bases it's submissions based on relevance of use. I provided examples (including a recent LA Times) mention of the word.
Misgamy (hatred of marriage) has no reference in the media yet it is included in the dictionary.
Rose is a piece of shit liar.
Here is what I wrote to her three months ago:
>Rose,
>
>Your claim that misandry is not currently a "popular" term is refuted by
the fact that the NY times, LA Times and recent books have referenced and
used the word misandry. So if this word has been read by potentially
millions of readers, then the process that M-W uses for lexicographical
decisions seems grossly inconsistent with current times.
>
>There are logographical examples of misandry dating back over a century.
Enter "misandry" into a search engine, and ample evidence is provided that
there is widespread use of this word, especially compared to other M-W
"worthy" words that are quite obscure yet part of your online dictionary
(i.e. Misogamy - which is a highly obscure word).
>
>If you are not involved with the decision making process for such matters,
please send me the appropriate contact information and I will pursue M-W's
omission with the appropriate party.
>
>Thanks
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Do you hear the sound of cashregisters ringing?
Is the real issue here that they don't want to piss off all of those gender feminists at the colleges and universities? We wouldn't want them to suddenly start using a DIFFERENT pusblisher's dictionary now would we?
Control the money and you control the country.
Court ordered family support payments and alimony are a redistribution of wealth. It moves the money out of the hands of men and into the hands of women - not into the hands of children.
It does so without refference to value added or free market controls.
MAYBE IT IS TIME TO START VOTING WOMEN OUT OF OFFICE.
MAYBE IT IS TIME TO START VOTING THEIR SYMPATHISERS OUT OF OFFICE.
I SAY VOTE MALE!!!
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Donald, Get the males to vote and perhaps that hwill happen.
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"hatred of lexicographers???"
misodrudge?
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I was discussing Men's Health issues recently with a male acquaintance here in Melbourne, Australia. In the course of the discussion I used the word, 'misandry'.
He asked, "What does that mean?"
I replied, "Do you know what misogyny means?"
"Of course", he said.
He knew the meaning of one word but not of its antonym.
Here is the clincher: he is a lecturer in "Gender Studies" at one of our respected tertiary institutions!!!!
And a man too!
As Ched says: 'This may seem a trivial matter, but without reference to the word "misandry" it's easy to deny that this common type of hatred even exists - and that "misandry" as a concept lacks validity.
Control the language, control the mind.'
True story.
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He knew the meaning of one word but not of its antonym.
Interesting story. One point: misandry is not the opposite of misogyny. The opposite of misogyny would be any word with the meaning "love for women."
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Far out I caught that too.
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Emotion, religion and morality: Interpersonal emotion: Misanthropy
misanthropy (noun)
misanthropy, hatred of mankind, distrust of one's fellows, disillusionment with society, cynicism, unsociability
misandry, misogyny
moroseness, sullenness
inhumanity, incivism
egotism
Other Forms
hatred: misogyny, misanthropy
inhumanity: inhumanity, misanthropy, lack of humanity, inconsiderateness, lack of concern
Open outline for additional related articles
The Original Roget's Thesaurus of English Words and Phrases (Americanized Version) is licensed from Longman Group UK Limited. Copyright © 1994 by Longman Group UK Limited. All rights reserved.
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The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English
by Judy Pearsall (Editor)
Hardcover - 1696 pages 10th Indx edition (October 1999)
Oxford Univ Pr (Trade); ISBN: 0198602871 ;
Dimensions (in inches): 2.42 x 9.56 x 6.57
link
The definition starts on page 909 continues on page 910.
BeginDefinition:
"- hatred of men"
"- ORIGIN 1940s: from GK miso- 'hating' + aner, andr- 'man',
on the pattern of misogyny."
EndDefinition.
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"The needs of every citizen of Afghanistan must be represented equally, including women"
I also get this angry.
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Well, DC, when you're trying to be concise, you sometimes have to take liberties with the language. I do wish I could say that I did that deliberately, but it just sort of jumped up there on the screen, and in re-reading the letter, I missed it.
Cheers,
Frank H
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About 5 years ago I remembered having seen/heard this word somewhere (decades past), so began looking for it in dictionaries (all of which, of course, include misogyny, the correct term to describe any man who doesn't kiss the ground Gloria Steinem walks on).
My American Heritage Second College Edition (1985) didn't have it (nor did my on-disk computer AHD); neither did (as noted) any of the common Merriam-Websters. I finally found it in the Library's Random House Unabridged, along with another word I'd remembered from past reading:
momism: (sometimes capitalized) excessive adulation of the mother and undue dependence on maternal care or protection, resulting in absence of loss of maturity and independence. [mom + ism; coined by author Philip Wylie (1902-71) in Generation of Vipers (1942)]
Generation of Vipers is highly recommended for anyone interested in the background/roots of the feminist takeover. Long out of print, but can probably be found in libraries the Thought Police haven't gotten to.
I note the gatekeeper at Merriam-Webster (Rose Martino) is female; why am I not surprised? The profession of dictionary editor is just the sort of Miss Manners job that attracts the Miss Wormwood (cf. Calvin & Hobbes) type.
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"The spectacle of the female devouring her young in the firm belief that it is for their own good is too old in man's legends to be overlooked by any but the most flimsily constructed society." -- Philip Wylie, Generation of Vipers
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Generation of Vipers is highly recommended for anyone interested in the background/roots of the feminist takeover. Long out of print, but can probably be found in libraries the Thought Police haven't gotten to.
Try Project Gutenburg: http://promo.net/pg/ (sometimes difficult to connect to). They have many e-texts of books on which the copyrights have expired and/or which are public domain, including many books which are out of print.
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It appers to have been reissued.
Philip Wylie
Click on the links below for:
An excerpt from Philip Wylie's Generation of Vipers
order from:
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Generation of Vipers
Introduction by the Author
1996
331pp.
$13.95, paperback
1-56478-146-1
SPECIAL SALE--any 100 Dalkey titles for $500
Perhaps the most vitriolic attack ever launched on the American way of living--from politicians to professors to businessmen to Mom to sexual mores to religion--Generation of Vipers ranks with the works of De Tocqueville and Emerson in defining the American character and malaise. Wylie's classic, written with devastating wit and a pen as sharp as a barber's razor, wages war on all forms of American hypocrisy. Remarkably, or perhaps not so, what Philip Wylie has to say rings as true today as when he first wrote Vipers in 1942, and no doubt it will continue to offend and outrage both the Left and Right. Harsh, bitter, and filled with venom toward those who have corrupted the America that "could have been," Generation of Vipers will be read with pleasure and indignation a century from now.
"A raging set of lay sermons about the human predicament as examined in terms of 'you--your home and kiddies, mom and the loved ones, old Doc Smith and the preacher, the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Star-Spangled Banner--in short, the American scene' plus the still uglier clutter backstage. Wylie's high desire is to save the human race from its own worst enemy--itself."--Time
"Wylie is a good showman, and he cracks his prose over his opinions like a bull whip. His chapters on the common man and the common woman, sex, science, professors, 'mom,' Cinderella and education are tumultuous reading. Each reader will find a place where he will wince, but that will be made up for by the places where he can laugh at his neighbor and read passages aloud to his wife. . . . A helter-skelter book that is as full of things that provoke laughter as it is packed with pages that induce thought. Mr. Wylie wrote the whole thing at the top of his voice."--New York Herald Tribune
"[Wylie] could give H.L. Mencken a run for his money as the most opinionated person of the 20th century. Considering the world hasn't improved much in the last 50 years, much of what he says has great relevance today."--Library Journal
comes up on a search of amazon.com also
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 03, @03:32PM EST (#18)
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Microsoft should also be contacted.
The only reason the word "misogyny" has become so popular is that it is important for the liberal feminists so they can continue claiming obscene victimization to receive billions of tax dollars so they can sit around in federal and state offices and spread contempt for men in society and guarantee jobs for their mindless minions that graduate with Gender degrees.
I say we make "misandry" common! Feminist deny "misandry" exists outside of being "conceptual" (insert carnival music here ##)
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