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For this predicament, blame whatever best fits your prejudices. Have newly assertive women, freed by contraception to postpone childbearing for careers, and liberated from material dependence on men, undermined contemporary manhood? Or has the shift from a blue-collar to a white-collar economy placed demands on all workers for “feminine” qualities such as flexibility, an ability to cope with uncertainty, and no expectation of power?
Yaaaaaaawn!
I only read the article in "The Economist" (excerpted above). It's just the standard, sexist garbage reworded a bit to suit our changing times.
Shake it off, take a deep breath, and continue the fight against hatred and oppression. We're gonna win this war against the ruling mainstream feminists and their femboys.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday December 26, @04:34PM EST (#2)
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Why is it that when women are falling behind it's because we don't give them a chance to fully develop their abilities but when men fall behind it's because we're lazy?
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We women may have come a long way, but men have a journey of their own that’s far from complete. Anthony Clare concludes that "there is no need to create a new man in the image of woman". Maybe not. But there is clearly a need to create some new image of the male - and one that is acceptable to his increasingly vulnerable sensibilities.
Why do I feel put upon to have to bother to meet someone's ill-defined requirement of what it means to be male? Mainstream feminists would vehemently reject any suggestion from men that they should go "re-invent themselves." I recall feeling put-upon when I was accused of being an oppressor as a teenager simply becase I was male. I'm busy--I don't have the time or the interest to oppress anyone. If you want a full-time oppressor, then PAY ME. Now we're told by some manipulative twirp that we're not man enough to take a little male bashing. Imaging telling a black that he wasn't black enough to take a little racism. That's the issue here: that misandry is real and we object to it, as men, and we're men enough to say so.
On the contrary, as Germaine Greer proposed that women use their feminine wiles to achieve the ends of the feminist movement, so I urge men to use their power and purported innate proclivity towards violence to achieve the equalitarian ends of the men's movement. Just kidding ;)
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Imaging telling a black that he wasn't black enough to take a little racism. That's the issue here: that misandry is real and we object to it, as men, and we're men enough to say so.
Beautifully put.
If you want a full-time oppressor, then PAY ME.
Chuckle. Thanks, Mars, I needed that. Quite often laughter is the best medicine.
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Often the Economist offers razor sharp analysis, but this one is flatulent and vague. "Men can still be mocked..." because "...they still have the power," the author contends.
Nowhere is there a substantive discussion of the actual issues, nor is there any attempt to quantify this purported power.
I suggest we take the accusation that we're whining like men, and carry on, as you say. You're right: once again we're subjected to the same soporific claim that women have redefined themselves, and men have to catch up--those who don't tow the feminist line are whiners, losers and whatever adjective "best fits your prejudices." At least this is some form of recognition. Eventually some of the commentators will grow the requisite neurons to comprehend and even respond to the issues.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday December 26, @04:39PM EST (#4)
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Quote from the Economist-
"Full-time working women in America still earn, on average, only 72% of the wages men receive."
It is misleading. A campaign should be waged to correct this frequently quoted statistic.
Ched (CJ)
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Quote from the Economist-
"Full-time working women in America still earn, on average, only 72% of the wages men receive."
It is misleading. A campaign should be waged to correct this frequently quoted statistic.
While more should be done, the Independent Women's Forum has mounted a campaign against this (and other, successful, mainstream feminist lies) on university and college campuses across the country. Note that the IWF is a very influential organization based in Washington, D.C.
For details, see this article.
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"Note that the IWF is a very influential organization based in Washington, D.C."
Isn't it great to see our alimony and child support payments being put to good use? :(
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we should start requesting that equal consideration be given to men who support men's' groups, in direct proportion the support given by ex-wives to women's' groups or causes. They are hitting us where we live, making money, so we have to hit back in the same place.
They want reinvention? OKAY, lets give'em reinvention. We can start by reinventing what it means to be a father. We can start by reinventing what it means to be a husband. We can start by reinventing what it is we expect from wives and mothers.
All mothers must have a license to raise children. All mothers must have an education in rearing children to be granted a license.
All mothers must provide medical proof of fitness to the prospective father and have his approval to proceed before insemination.
All mothers must provide medical proof of ongoing fitness to father and accountable to him for the associations she forces on her children.
No woman is allowed to surgically or cosmetically alter herself to hide her real appearance and so the potential appearance of any offspring.
Oh heck who needs to whine, we can stop whining no problem, with our eyes closed.
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Amen, donaldcameron!! Sarcasm gets you places! :)
I wonder what they consider girls like me who don't back up the feminist movement, but have joined the guys' "whining"? feminists, IMHO, are highly idiosyncratic people. If women got paid equal to men, they'd complain it was a device inventied by the partiarchy to silence women's "voices". If they put an end to women being sexual objects and replaced them with men, they'd complain because the female body wouldn't be the ideal anymore. If it's anyone who's whining, the gender feminists are. I, as an equalitarian, don't whine; I kick butt and take names!!! *G*
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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"I kick butt and take names!!! *G*"
I shoulda had the strength to do it a long time ago.
Sigh
Go girl
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Isn't it great to see our alimony and child support payments being put to good use? :(
Hey, Donald. The Independent Women's Forum is our friend. They're assisting us in trashing feminist lies. If you poke around on their site, you'll also find that they're very man (and husband) friendly.
Don't pay any attention to their bulletin boards, though. They were overrun recently by feminist trolls. I haven't checked them lately, but that may still be the case.
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I had a hard time reading these articles, as the authors had this smug attitude that whatever men are suffering from today, it is appropriate comeuppance for so-called oppression of women in the past.
Much of the feminist movement of the last 30 years is based on the faulty premise that society is "patriarchial," and benefits men at the expense of women (OK, I may sound like a broken record here, but the message needs to be repeated until it is acknowledged). They support these faulty claims with selective and misleading statistics such as the "72 cents" myth. As these gender-feminists have established such a great power base with organizations such as NOW, it is no wonder that they get defensive when their narrow perspectives are challenged.
A few years ago I saw a brief report on the Men's Movement on TV. The reporters quickly dismissed this as "whining" and quoted the usual statistics such as "72 cents to the dollar" and under-representation in Government (never mind that women make up more than 50% of the voting population - this wan't mentioned).
The distorted perspective on men promulgated by gender-feminists is now being challenged, and the media establishment is starting to take note (albeit in a dismissive manner). It's time that they recognized that enough is enough.
Steve aka Equalitarian62
"Don't get mad, take action"
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Good points, Steve. We do have to keep making our points until they are recognized. For a given background, ability and amount of work women are paid at least as much (probably more) than men. And elected officials know that women are the majority of voters. If women want to hire more men than women to represent them, then that's women's decision. As we know, men are easier on women than women are, so this decision by women should not surprise anyone. As the majority of voters, women are the government.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 27, @04:54PM EST (#15)
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Wow, that Economist article is terrible. What's wrong with their head and hearts?
Economist: "For this predicament, blame whatever best fits your prejudices."
Hmm, how 'bout instead looking at some facts and analyzing them?
Economist: "The other voice is more bitter and political."
Get angry at injustice. And do something to correct it. Or you can chuckle at men's struggles, like the fat, rich, sherry-drinking slugs at the Economist.
Economist: "Warren Farrell, the author of “The Myth of Male Power”, who is regarded as beyond the pale by many feminist writers,...,"
When is the last time the Economist included a parenthetical about what men's activists think of a feminist thinker? Warren Farrell is a moderate. For beyond the pale of reason, see Andrea Dworkin or Catherine McKinnon, who hold tenured professorships at major US law schools.
I could go on. This article just shows the need for men to be more vocal and more active.
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This article just shows the need for men to be more vocal and more active.
How true. We ought to write to the yahoo who authored the Economist article thanking him/her for the inspiration.
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In the first article, the author seemed to want it both ways: on the one hand, there was the common refrain that women have come a long way, they've redefined themselves (somehow managing to overcome billions of years of evolution) and now it's men's turn to catch up, if they ever can, though it's doubtful. On the other hand,the author rejects signs of change, gleefully suggesting that men are't man enough to take their male bashing like men any more, and that reasonable requests for fair treatment meant that men weren't so sure of themselves. Would the author of the article prefer that men not voice their objections reasonably, but how their objection through displays of power, force and violent action? She can't have it both ways. The unreasoned drivel we're seeing lately in rsponse to our efforts indicates that perhaps mainstream feminists are rapidly becoming less sure of themselves.
Once again we should make the comparison with racism: imagine telling a black man that he's not
black enough to take a little good-natured racism. Anti-male bigots don't appreciate being exposed as morally equivlent to racists, but in accordance with the new definition of men, we're less protective of other's feelings.
On the contrary, men are standing up for fairness. Objecting to fairness has nothing to do with gender, unless you believe that only one gender has any business concerning itself with fairness.
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Oh brother, I need an editor...
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On the contrary, men are standing up for fairness. Objecting to fairness has nothing to do with gender, unless you believe that only one gender has any business concerning itself with fairness.
Amen, brother! Equality is powerful!
But sometimes I wonder if inequality disguised as equality is even more powerful.
But I will remind myself that every time I step into a voting booth, I'm essentially p*ssy-whipping a male politician. LOL (Not a misandrist comment- I was being a smart-ass.)
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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