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important for us to ... speak up against wrongs, even when some might consider it "whining."
Nightmist, I suspect you are referring here to comments I made in another thread? I wish to clarify that I certainly do not oppose responding to what cries for rebuttal, only that I feel how such response is done is important. Cowshit should be identified as such, but constantly "taking offense" makes us look like thin-skinned sissies, and does not encourage women, feminist or not -- or anyone else -- to respect us.
Feminists already hold us in contempt; women who might be inclined to respect us will do so only if we act like men.
If we support creating an environment where everyone must tiptoe around to avoid "offending" anyone, we have already lost to the abuse of female power -- "Don't tell me the truth; you'll hurt my feelings!"
A meaningful, useful dialog between the sexes requires that men be men, not merely half-assed copies of women. Sure, I have feelings, but if we're engaged in discussion in order to determine the truth (and I don't see any other reason to bother), then my feelings are irrelevant, and should not be brought into play. If the truth "offends" me, that's my problem; if it's not the truth, why should I be "offended"? If I say it's a lie, it's because it's a lie, not because it "offended" me.
Best wishes,
Andrew
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If we support creating an environment where everyone must tiptoe around to avoid "offending" anyone, we have already lost to the abuse of female power -- "Don't tell me the truth; you'll hurt my feelings!"
Indeed. I certainly do not intend to argue that we should be the next bearers of political correctness. Far from it. I just don't want to urge the men's movement *not* to complain and argue against those who would spread political propaganda as "truth" (like mainstream feminism's domestic violence agenda, for instance).
As for the word "offend," I agree with you that it is not best to use that term. However, I should also point out that I can, easily, be offended by a lie. :)
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by Marc Angelucci on Tuesday December 25, @11:45PM EST (#3)
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This is a good point. But I have also seen people stretch it further than I would go. It is not PC'ness by itself that I oppose, but the hypocritical use of it. Using PC'ness to hide statistical facts that we don't like is something feminists are good at, and certainly we should avoid doing it ourselves. But I see nothing wrong with speaking up when things are phrased in offensive ways. When I hear "deadbeats dads," I speak up. I don't consider that whining. Nor do I oppose all forms of PC'ness. To do so is to become hypocritical ourselves, since we use our own versions of it (like "access" instead of "visitation", and phrases like "male choice", etc.). It is when PC'ness tells me to say "men and women" for firefighters but "women" for DV victims that I oppose it. But what I'm opposing is more the hypocrisy than PC'ness itself.
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It was interesting to note that Wendy is a survivor of domestic violence. In her case it was her mother who was the perpetrator.
It is also interesting to speculate that if she as a sixteen year old minor had gone to the police complaining about abuse from her mother she would probably have been treated like a man would if he complained about physical and or verbal abuse from a wife. That is she would have been viewed as the trouble maker and possibly been put in juvenile detention as a runaway incorrigible!
I believe this terror actually made her a better journalist because she can empathize with the short shrift misandry too many men unfortunately get from the state in the ongoing gender wars. That is the outrage of being denied access to police protection from domestic abuse and summarily assumed to be the perpetrator in any DV incident just because of your sex.
Congratulations to Wendy for being a successful survivor of such a trama.
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