Men's Groups Challenge DV Reference Book

	posted by Scott on Sunday December 23, @04:12PM from the domestic-violence dept.
	Ragtime also sent in this article earlier this month about how men's groups in the Toronto area are challenging a "standard reference book" used by domestic violence advocates which is full of the typical feminist myths regarding DV. The challenge has caused quite a stir, and it will be interesting to see what it results in.

	Source: The Ottawa Citizen [Canadian newspaper] Title: Men challenge 'bible' of violence against women Author: Dave Brown Date: December 4, 2001

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Fighting False Info and Bigotry (Score:1) by DaveW on Sunday December 23, @08:00PM EST (#1) (User #379 Info) This post is a request for information. I recently attended a volunteer training class for a non-profit organization that claims to work to prevent child abuse. The organization is the Georgia Council on Child Abuse in Atlanta. A portion of the training class was a hate attack on men. In addition to the usual hate rhetoric about 95% of all violence being done by men, women only wound men in self defense, etc., they also recited a long list of horrible acts as if they are typical of all males. It was straight hate talk. In addition, they described lying to male callers on their phone line to try to entrap them, described using the phone line to encourage hatred towards males, and described using the phone line to encourage punishment of male children just for being male. It seems to me that there are three possible criminal acts: - Fraud--claiming to be a child abuse prevention organization while encouraging the abuse of male children. - Fraud--claiming to be an anti-domestic violence organization while encouraging hatred between the sexes. - Using public money to promote hate talk. From reading this site, it sounds like the last point is a federal crime. The Tennessee YMCA issue is an example. My questions are... ...Does anyone know of a reference regarding the public money/hate talk issue? ...Does anyone know if the other two issues would be fraud under usual state laws? ...Has anyone ever filed complaints with state or federal attorneys over similar issues? ...Has anyone ever notified donors to a non-profit that their money is supporting bigotry and abuse of male children? Any useful feedback will be appreciated.

Re:Fighting False Info and Bigotry (Score:0) by Anonymous User on Monday December 24, @03:51PM EST (#3) Unfortunately I can't help with the specific questions that you ask, but I would like to thank you for addressing this serious issue.

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