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I'm suspicuous that the prison rape that Feinstein is so concerned about is that of female inmates. Not that they're undeserving, but there are s many fewer of them. Be suspicious. Inspect the funding that goes with the bill. If it doesn't reflect the facts of prisoner demographics, then it's not worthy of our support.
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I mentioned the problem of prison rape in my criminology class this quarter to one of my female classmates. Her comment was, "Oh I talked to a prisoner and they said that the majority of the the victims are gay and really just want sex."
I was stunned speechless.
Tony H
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Where on earth did she get that? I worked in men's and women's prisons as a volunteer chaplain for several years - it happens a lot, and by no means all (or even most) of the perps and victims are gay.
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I'm sure gay rights activists would strongly disagree with your female classmate.
I wonder what her reaction would be if you said, "Well, most female prisoners of rape really just wanted sex." She would probably be irate.
"This is John Galt speaking." -Atlas Shrugged
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Oops, typo. That should have said "female prisoner victims of rape".
I gotta start using the preview button. :o)
"This is John Galt speaking." -Atlas Shrugged
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>By the way, prison rape is largely a byproduct of the "War On Drugs."
Thank you for pointing this out!!
End the War on Truth NOW!!!
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"By the way, prison rape is largely a byproduct of the "War On Drugs.""
How do you get this. Prison rape was common well before the "war on drugs". Even the article admits when men are segregated into groups based on the violence level of their crimes, even in the non-violence prone a hierachy of power and abuse develops. (I don't know that this is true just refering to the lead article).
Sure, if there are fewer prisoners there will be fewer overal rapes. That makes sense. And I gues overcrowding might add to it as well. But the war on drugs did not "largely" create the prison rape problem.
It seems to me that has more to do with the guard/prisoner ratio and the inability of prisoners to prosecute rape (out of fear of retaliation).
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Rape is never about sex. It is about domination.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 18, @02:55PM EST (#11)
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wiccid writes, "Rape is never about sex. It is about domination."
I think sometimes rape is about power and control (particularly for serial rapists), but I think that a significant number of "date rapes" are the result of miscommunication or, yes, even sex.
If the double standard that men often face on dates (that "no" frequently means "maybe"), and women initiated sex more often, I think the number of these "date rapes" would reduce to a negligable amount.
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I was referring to the topic (prison rape). I don't think anyone would suggest that someone was raped in prison by their date.
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Rape in that case is still often about sex. The key is looking at what the primary motivating force is. is the goal sex or putting the person "in their place." While rapes involve physical or mental power to gain a goal that is not the primary reason for the act.
Also the reason the "war on drugs" has created a problem in prisons is that the vast majority of the people in prisons are due to the over zealous drug laws that penalize minor, NONVIOLENT drug offenders with federal prison sentences. What do you think happens if you put some young 18 year old kid in with hard core federal felons?
while this is not the only problem is has exacerbated it.
Tony H
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I wish I could lay my hands on it, but I read an article several years ago by a psychiatrist who took a differing position on rape. His thesis was that rape, at least in many cases, was a matter of men making the mating choice instead of women. He didn't defend rape or minimize the impact, but he did a pretty good job of making the case that it WAS sexual. Consider this: B&D and S&M are about power and sex together. The number of participants in those two particular recreations would seem to support his thesis. So, if this is true, then what's the motivation for the feminists to say otherwise? I suspect that if they had to agree that rape was, in fact, sexual, then they might have to conclude that it was driven more by natural urges than a desire for patriarchal domination. Tiger makes a similar point in "The Decline Of Males."
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