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Myself being a Mac user found that comment really funny!
Althou the story is both alarming and uplifting (in a sence that we´re actually becomming a real threat to feminism! :-), it´s something we should take after. I think we too should start sending letters to Ms Mary Wallace telling her our views on this and complaining to her that the feminist groups are attacking the regular man by focusing the attention on the offender instead of the victim (wich is not 90% women!).
The statement is (if I may draw another likeness) just as stupid as the girl scouts movement would complain that the boy scouts are selling cookies to the same people they would like to sell cookies to...
All I can say to this woman are:
Go lock yourself in a dark room and make the world a better place!
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Once again, women and children have been merged into one group vs. men. I have completely had it with that emotion conjuring technique. If they are convincing enough when they use it, who would be "against" children? Also, the author fails to show any evidence of this "hostile environment" other than just saying that it's there. I think this article is fairly desperate(which is a good sign).
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"They simply do not care about the lives, safety or human rights of women and children."
hrm... so if one cares about the lives of men, that automatically discludes one from caring about women as well? wow. i'm glad that one is crystal clear to me. i've never seen logic used so beautifully before... now if i could just remember where i put that HTML sarcasm tag...
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"The Minister of State for Justice, Ms Mary Wallace, said she would study the report "carefully".
Ms Wallace is chairperson of the National Steering Committee on Violence Against Women."
So why isn't the chairperson of the National Steering Committee on Violence Against Men also studying the report. Oh, right! there isn't one.
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by nagzi
(nagziNO@SPAMPLEASEphreaker.net)
on Wednesday November 28, @02:09PM EST (#5)
(User #86 Info)
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in my mind, would be like Microsoft claiming that Apple is destroying its marketshare.
But in Microsoft's mind they are. Well at least Linux (go linux!) is. ;)
If the men's movement is causing hostility, then why are more and more men refusing to interact with women as little as possible in the work place? geez...could be the increase of sexual harassment?
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Ghandi, In Philosophy
First they completely ignored us. Then they called us "angry white men" and "whiners."
We've now reached stage 3. Keep up the fight!
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Maybe when the gender feminists realize there is something hypocritical about "fighting inequality" yet espousing hatred towards a specific group, i.e. men.
If these womyn where so concerned for women's health and safety, maybe they should open up their sexist eyes and view violence as a human issue, not as a blind self serving leftist ideology based in hate and ignorance. The complexity of domestic violence needs to be re-examined without the ridiculous claim that it is 100% based in "patriarchal norms"
Ched
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"The complexity of domestic violence needs to be re-examined without the ridiculous claim that it is 100% based in 'patriarchal norms'"
How true, cheddah. And while, on the surface, it might seem good that the Minister of State for Justice is carefully studying the report, it's worth noting that said minister is (surprise, surprise) also chairperson of the National Steering Committee on Violence Against Women.
Anyone else see a conflict of interest here?
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She said the "constant stream" of arguments against women's groups had a "very demoralising and demotivating effect"...
Mmm. If you want to talk demoralising and demotivating, why not show some little boy off the street that YWCA domestic violence poster, and ask him how he feels afterward?
...on people working with victims of male violence...
This is not the first time I've seen the words "male" and "violence" juxtaposed by feminists in their writings. I wonder - how is violence from a man different (and uniquely traumatic) from violence from someone who is not a man, thus deserving a special classification as "male violence"? Isn't all violence just "violence"?
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"I wonder - how is violence from a man different (and uniquely traumatic) from violence from someone who is not a man, thus deserving a special classification as "male violence"? Isn't all violence just "violence"?"
< sarcasm >
no! of course not. how silly you were to think such a thing. male violence is the bad kind whereas female violence is the good kind. likewise, violence towards a man is good and violence towards a woman is bad. therefore violence from men towards men is cancelled out and not worth discussing whereas violence from men towards women is extra bad. for shame, hawth, for shame. i'm glad to have lifted such a heavy veil of ignorance for you.
< /sarcasm >
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Beautifully put, Brad. And I love your HTML tags. Can I borrow the style?
Actually, is that XML?
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i suppose it would technically be XML as i'm sure no standards compliant HTML browser will ever recognize the sarcasm tag (much like some people i know... odd, that)
honestly though, i think it helps people understand what you mean being that tone of voice and body language are eliminated in text. XML could be an answer to that. anywho, this is somewhat off topic.
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. i've never seen logic used so beautifully before... now if i could just remember where i put that HTML sarcasm tag...
Questions of logic aside, it does make its own twisted sense. I spent last night devouring Buster B.'s site. (Great site, Buster!)
http://themenscenter.com/busterb/projecti.htm
and thinking about projection.
If you interpret their words as sincere, since that is the way they would act if they were men, you see their "logic."
"Those who denied the reality of abuse of women chose not to see the effects on women and their children, she said.
"They simply do not care about the lives, safety or human rights of women and children."
Becomes:
We who deny the reality of abuse of men choose not to see the effects on men and their children. We simply do not care about the lives, safety or human rights of men and children.
Vicious logic.
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Rats! I hate it when I think of more to say.
Change that sentence to:
If you interpret their words as sincere, since that is the way they would act if they were men, i.e, people not imprisoned by their femininity, you see their "logic."
I love it when I get perceptive!
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My browser doesn't support the sarcasm HTML tag, but in any case I think it's absolutly wonderful--way cool even--that the men's movement is now the target of vague, unsubstantiated charges of hostility against women and children.
Let's wait for specific arguments and specific, substantiated references to acts of this alleged hatred and hostiliy. Right now the charges are so vague that there really is nothing to respond to.
It's so cute that they accuse men's groups of creating a hostile working environment, in the broadest possible sense of the phrase working environment, meaning, the sum total environments in which gender feminists, women's groups, and men's groups happen to find themselves. Institutionalized feminism has to be pretty ingrown if ideas that are in the air constitute a hostile working environment.
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for shame, hawth, for shame. i'm glad to have lifted such a heavy veil of ignorance for you.
And for that, I humbly thank you, Brad! ;-)
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In the US...
- The Houston Chapter of NOW supports mass-murderer of children Andrea Yates.
- NOW has long supported the killing of unborn children by aborting pregnancies.
- 61% of child murders are done by women.
- 80% of new-born murders are done by women.
Yet she says that MEN "...do not care about the lives, safety or human rights of women and children"?
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There are those women who do not subscribe to any of this nonsense (extreme feminism) but get pulled along by noisy sisters. Respect needs to be both ways; and unfortunately, radical feminists have dragged many of us into the mud with them. I have had men slam doors in my face in anger over some grievance or slight. I am hoping that there will be light at the end of this tunnel. I cannot imagine life with so much bitterness between the sexes as engineered by anti-social types in either camp. As a mother of a wonderful adolescent boy, I work hard to see that his life is as interesting, nurturing, and hopeful as his sister's childhood. I support the notion that men and boys are equal and deserving of respect. This is in direct contradiction to the real agenda of NOW and other antisocial tax-supported or non-profit organizations.
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