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Bev adds her bit: "I am not blaming the women. I don't want to go back to the Fifties. But I think I am better at communicating with men about my needs and rights than my mum and aunt were. You know, I think we should worry that men feel so lost. Feminists just don't care about this."
Some 80 per cent of young women interviewed by Katz said that women's equality had brought too much conflict into the world and their own lives. Many young people the first generation to live in a world where divorce is commonplace- are conservative about family values.
I think those two sum it all up fairly well.
But this woman should be congrated for this right out brutal honesty.
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On the one hand, I would give her a hard time about the fact that she blames feminism for some problems faced by young women today without ever taking it to task for making the lives of young men hell. Throughout her article she has very little sympathetic to say for young men.
On the other hand, in forty years, when and if masculism has become a juggernaut like feminism, will I be able to look back, see the flaws, and be so honest? Probably not.
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On the other hand, in forty years, when and if masculism has become a juggernaut like feminism
I hope this doesn't happen. Humanist should have the juggernaut like power that feminist have today.
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Throughout her article she has very little sympathetic to say for young men.
True. She doesn't, but the young women do. I find that very heartening.
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NOBODY should have the juggernaut like power that feminist have today.
dh
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Isn't that amazing. I am finding that the younger women I meet are "truly, and in their hearts" more compassionate toward men, as opposed to the older women I meet, who are struggling with it as with a newly introduced and foreign concept.
It is a great surprise to me that the younger women I spend time with are more mature in their relationships and abilities to interact with men honestly than their mothers were.
Apparently life is better the second time around.
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"Isn't that amazing. I am finding that the younger women I meet are "truly, and in their hearts" more compassionate toward men, as opposed to the older women I meet, who are struggling with it as with a newly introduced and foreign concept."
This is so true. It would be extremely difficult for me to exaggerate just how much I prefer the company of younger women to that of women my age. Let the harpies declare that all men my age prefer the company of younger women because of how they look. A greater lie could not be devised. I prefer younger women because they, on the whole, are nicer people. Far nicer people.
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– as I had just written this little introduction to my-‘newbie’-self and tried to explain why it is so hard for an ‘old’ feminist to turn against the modern feminist:
I was a child during the feminist heyday. The 60’s and 70’s saw a great change in the way society perceived women. I was witness to the positive changes that the feminist movement helped enact. Since this isn’t a feminist site, I won’t go into details.
Then things started to change. Weird stuff – like a boss that makes a joke about a skirt that is too short being ‘sexual harassment’. Like a date gone bad can become ‘date-rape’. Like, when a couple fights, and the fight is physical, the man is more likely arrested (increasing the statistics of violence against women). Seems that the modern feminist has done more to estrange herself from humankind than she has done to help women.
It took me several years to understand how the modern feminists were leading me from ‘sexual equality’ into ‘sexual hatred’. I fought the notion; I revoked the ideas; I refused to see the truth. Because I have achieved my current status due to the feminist movement of the 60’s and 70’s, I didn’t want to see how it has changed. I had suffered as a young woman, and the feminist movement helped me heal… then. It was very difficult to turn against an organization that was once good for me. I suspect many other women are in the same boat as I am.
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I hope you guys don’t mind me lurking around and occasionally spouting an opinion. And, don’t be afraid of offending me – someone stated on a different posted comment that having women around made him less likely to write his views as he sees them. This woman (me) isn’t likely to get offended by much.
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Hi, DAR. Just because something calling itself feminism did you some good in the 60s and 70s doesn't mean that something calling itself feminism now is good for you. It's like the grandfather's axe thing. It goes: my grandfather had an axe. He passed it on to my father, who replaced the head. My father passed it on to me, and I replaced the handle. Is it still my grandfather's axe?
To put it another way, I don't think feminism is your grandmother's axe anymore.
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I had suffered as a young woman, and the feminist movement helped me heal… then. It was very difficult to turn against an organization that was once good for me. I suspect many other women are in the same boat as I am.
I suspect you are absolutely correct. One of the first things a man encounters when he attacks anti-male feminism are women who aren't really anti-male, but don't want to let go of a movement that did so much for them.
As for lurking and spouting, please feel free. :)
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Nightmist,
There is always some political triage going on. If you're a Democrat or a Republican do you agree with EVERYTHING in their platform. Do you agree with every position of a particular candidate you decide to vote for? Or do you have to make a determination that the party or candidate you support supports more things you agree with than not?
I think this is the position most feminists find themselves in. And as the Men's Activism movement rolls along I suspect many men will find themselves in similar positions politically (if they haven't already).
One of the most irrational criticisms made of feminism is that is it not perfect and has made some stupid mistakes or bad tactical moves and it therefore an illegitimate political movement. My reply... Duh? What political movement hasn't made errors in judgement or had leaders that took some unnecessary or counterproductive positions?
Answer. None. Even the Environmentalist movement has splintered off into various directions and people who call themselve environmentalists dont' agree with all the positions and strategies of the mainstream environmental movement, much less its more radical side. This doesn't mean they would abandon their core beliefs about environmentalism however.
This is not to say we shouldn't criticise feminist positions/strategies on an individual basis. However, I do get bent out of shape by people who tend to criticise all the accomplishments of feminism based it's perceived, actual or admitted flaws and missteps.
The Men's Movement will face the same challenges. Get ready.
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The Men's Movement will face the same challenges. Get ready.
Indeed, there are some issues in which it already does. "Choice For Men" is a good example of where branches of the men's movement separate.
I will tell you that when I say "feminist" these days, I'm generally referring to modern mainstream anti-male feminism, and not to ifeminism and equity feminism. I understand there are distinctions among the groups, as well as among the individuals.
Thanks for making those points.
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