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"el dildo bandito was here" is mr. rowan's attempt to add "a little bit of humor and sarcasm"
that kinda sums it up
at least mr. rowan got the dildo part right
god help us all, he styles himself a masculist
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Well, I'm off to the Boulder Public Library for my meeting which will include feminists and, hopefully, some other folks. I'll let you know how it goes.
Wonder if I can down a case of beer first...
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If you are serious I'd like to talk to you about something. If not, I'd recommend we find out how to get in touch with the man who stole the exhibit.
I contacted the Boulder Public Library via email and threatened to sue over the display as it is blatant sexual harassment of all male patrons and violates civil codes prohibiting sexual harassment in any federally funded institution. There are other subsections of civil law which I believe have been violated by this sexist and gender hostile display, all of which could and should result in the loss of federal funding for the library or at least major investigation. Also, the Women's Shelter that created and funded the art is federally funded, posts false and misandric statements on its' website and should likewise be sued for violating civil law.
As I am not a resident of Boulder and cannot go to the library to view the exhibit I cannot sue on my own behalf. I need someone who has seen the display in person to file.
Either you, if you are in fact in Boulder, or the man who took the exhibit and stated that it was offensive, should contact an attorney and file a complaint that your civil rights have been violated and federal laws have been violated as well. If necessary I will pay the attorney's retainer fee to get this lawsuit off the ground. I will pay as much as I can afford if you will sue.
Please consult an attorney familiar with federal law and get back with me. You can email me at stevenpauljones@yahoo.com to discuss this further if you are willing.
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I'm not sure what I can do in the way of legal action as I'm not a resident of the city of Boulder, and I didn't actually see the "ceramic penis" display as it was stolen and not returned by this afternoon. I hadn't thought of the sexual harassment argument, but it could be a valid point.
Well good luck with your meeting, Thomas. Give 'em hell!
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I just returned from my meeting at the BPL and I must say that, to everyone's credit, we stuck entirely to business -- no mention of the penises. I went to the exhibit, though, and saw that the penises are still missing. Perhaps they're being held as evidence.
I plan on pursuing this but, for personal reasons, I don't want to be the person who files suit. At this point I'd like to work as a liason for different individuals and groups who are active in this. Hopefully tomorrow I'll hear from some of the men's groups that I called today.
I must say, the idea of a suit over violation of civil rights sounds intriguing. Perhaps Bob Rowan can use it as a defense. If the defense worked, it would make quite a statement. The name of his lawyer will probably be announced very soon. If and when it is, I'll post the contact info.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 13, @12:01AM EST (#6)
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I too am very willing to contribute to the costs of a lawsuite. And I can fly out there if anyone arranges a protest. And I'll take rists at the protest.
Really, a group of people just need to go in there separately, meet at the display at a particluar time, have someone else distract the guards, and then have the group rip that thing to shreds and get out. Then have a party with the leftovers. Let me know.
But then maybe a lawsuit is the better route.
Marc
urbanvagabond@hotmail.com
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I just saw this on FoxNews.com:
"'The whole display is a male-bashing deal,' Rowan said. 'This just doesn't belong here.'
"Representatives with the Boulder County Safehouse said the exhibit will remain on display without the stolen artwork until Nov. 26. Library officials did not return a telephone message left for comment Monday.
"Police plan to consult with the artist before deciding whether to file charges against Rowan, who turned over the artwork to police Sunday.
"Artist Susanne Walker said she wants to talk with Rowan before she makes a decision on pressing charges. Rowan said he will not speak with her"
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It could turn out that the theft was a good thing after all. We can hope.
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so stevenpauljones, having determined that the display was ILLEGAL and thus a violation of federal sexual harassment codes, thinks filing civil suit in the federal court system is the answer, on the grounds that mr. rowan’s theft was legal because the exhibit was “offensive to him as a man”?
really?
that would be the UNITED STATES federal court you’re talking about, stevenpauljones? sure you haven’t got it mixed up with the TALIBAN federal court?
yah, good luck with that suit … i hope your pockets are as deep as the gubbiment’s … a thousand bucks might get your initial complaint filed, if your counsel basically works for free
now that junior’s in office, i’m sure the courts will reverse thirty years of case law and legislative codes based on mr. rowan’s righteousness
i dunno … i spent seven years working in state court administration, with some overlap w/ the feds, and i saw ZERO desire on the part of either jurisdiction to favor males with first class citizenship, much less initiate remedy to class-action grievances on this scale
from local rules of court to federal case law, from labor to civil rights, the UNITED STATES’ administration of justice is decidedly feminist
by all means, file suit … what can it hurt, at this point … you should get a civil judgement, probably against you, in about six years
i am also amazed at the folks who want to lionize, and defend, this fool rowan – yah, sure, my instinct was to want to rip down the thing and burn it on the head librarian’s desk
dumbass kneejerk moves like that are why males are always outflanked
we don’t want to destroy their expression, people – censorship, theft, and petty bullying is what we’re OPPOSING
we wanted their expression to remain as radical and intact as possible – then barbecue them with their own fire
their loathesome "exhibit" doesn’t belong in a courtroom, tagged as evidence – it is rightfully a shrine for our sons’ future, a reminder of where and what men once were – second-class, marginalized servants, whose penises were symbolically severed and hung in effigy in public
the proper response would have been for boulder men, the first day after discovering the monstrosity, to organize themselves and have a little berserker party right in front of the library
unfortunately, no man stepped forward to handle the simple steps necessary – phone calls, e-mails, press kits and standard tools of protest
so weeks went by
from across the country i could have organized a protest by the end of this week that would have struck fear into the heart of every gender supremacist in the land
it would have been hilarious, too
but mr. rowan lurched into the void and delivered the fait accompli
when presented with a golden opportunity, we did nothing – for who dare offend the sistahs in boulder – and now the moment is removed from our power, by a bumbler who would make the watergate burglars look smooth
i'm sure his buddies at the bar are impressed
now the best we can do is shout about suing, for god sakes -- the last resort of the impotent
it’s like deciding to swing at a pitch after everyone’s already left the stadium, and the janitors are sweeping up
the federal court system is one of our keepers, not our liberator
we are our liberator, and we screwed this one up royal
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Well, if the womyn choose not to press charges on Rowna, it would be a tactically wise move. If they charge and try him, then Ray and the rest of us will get the focal point we desire to properly sustain a protest. If they simply let this go away, then they will have made their point and gotten away with it, and will have appeared to be 'merciful' in the process.
Frankly, I'm hoping they throw the book at him.
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"harassment of all male patrons and violates civil codes prohibiting sexual harassment in any federally funded institution."
This is the most sensible solution to this problem, and it should have been initiated as soon as this misandric display began.
I will help anyway I can if someone can pursue this...
cheddah@altavista.com
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exactly -- we have to be far better organized, and three steps ahead of anything that has already reached the media/public consciousness
we've got frontal lobes too, remember? we invented political organization, remember?
when it comes to women and feminism, however, we use neither
it's a PROPAGANDA war, and the victories and defeats occur in the context of collective opinion -- the codifications and changes to social infrastructure come AFTER the minds have been swayed
save the tens of thousands in legal fees, and instead fund a small, covert, immediate-response team of activists with mass media savvy and protest implements already in place, prepared for the next psychological attack
our current methods of scattershot, literary complaint are, as the feminists well know, largely ineffective in exposing and containing the misandry now so deeply institutionalized in the country
we rightfully got stomped again on this one, through our own negligence and lack of commitment
it doesn't have to be that way next time
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Just to keep you updated...
Things seem to have quieted down here.
In the Boulder Public Library, the cord, from which the penises once dangled, now drapes listlessly; the clothespins that grasped those dismembered body parts suspend in twisted disarray. The entire side of the display stands like a barren testimony to an attack: sad and forlorn.
I have heard nothing from any of the men's groups that I called yesterday. Perhaps tomorrow.
It seems that we may have lost a magnificent opportunity. While this atrocity stood, it inspired and horrified those who oppose violence, even when it is directed against men. Now, the feminists stand tall, once again the victims of a man, a man whom they cast as an opponent not only of women and children but also of free speech and all else that is great about America.
The iniquity, created by the Safehouse and promoted by the Boulder Public Library, may yet serve our yearning for justice, but that is now less likely.
So we return to our prosaic struggles and wait for the next opportunity, knowing that the radical feminists have learned a great deal that they can use against us later.
Despite how sad this is, I think that we are winning the battle. We have gained allies as people from around the country, perhaps across the globe, have expressed their outrage, just as they did at the proposal for a "Men's Day of Shame." Our fight will be long but, as Wendy McElroy has said, the "walls of hatred" are crumbling. We have committed ourselves to our own War Against Terror, and I believe, more now than I have for decades, that we will prevail.
We have lost a plum. The Nazis will offer us others.
I'll keep you posted.
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we will prevail, and so will the original, liberating tenets of feminism
the short run will be ugly and brutal, but there will be reconciliation, and sweet sweet joy
count on it
thanks to thomas for his efforts
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday November 13, @07:27PM EST (#15)
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The Boulder newspaper's message board is here.
My message there is not hard to find.
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I thought about this some more, though. We can privately be disappointed that Rowan did what he did, but publicly, we ought to be lionizing him as a hero.
When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. In fact, I think that the NCFM ought to give him an award, and if he is tried and his penalty is a fine, we ought to launch a very public fundraising campaign.
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The point of suing is to force the library, the shelter and the city or county to defend the display and their decision to fund and inflict it upon the public. Winning doesn't matter as much as the suit itself and any press it generates. I know some in the men's movement prefer to complain on the internet while doing nothing, but I am sick of it. It is time to act.
As to whether Rowan was right or wrong to take it doesn't matter. He didn't ask us. He just did it and all his statements to the press support a claim of sexual harassment. So far his case is solid and we have the higher ground. A judge may rule against us or may not, but it will be a political risk either way. Whomever makes the biggest stink over this wins. If the artist sues him we must establish a legal defense fund. His harassment suit is a separate suit, not a defense unless his attorney chooses to use it that way. But no matter what we cannot let them shift the outrage from the sexist display to the man who stood up against it. That is a legal ploy. It would be the worst thing we could do.
To say that the courts are sexist and there is no hope is to give up. Of course most of the courts are sexist. And as long as no organized men's groups stand up and fight they will remain that way out of fear of offending the only side that ever fights back - the female supremacists. You win by showing strength. Not suing and letting this man go down in flames is a supreme show of weakness and assures men's rights will be viewed as nothing more than a joke in legal circles for a long time to come.
Its time to get up and fight.
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so there’s no confusion, my post at number 12 responds to the frank h. post at number 10, not the interjected post at number 17 by stevenpauljones
the interjected post at 17 makes it appear that my following post is in agreement with stevenpauljones
in fact, i disagree with stevenpauljones, whose comment “to say that the courts are sexist and there is no hope is to give up” appears to respond to my earlier criticism of the court systems, and my opinion that we err to rely on that system to deliver justice in this particular matter, or to liberate us in broader matters
nowhere in any post on this site do i state that “there is no hope,” nor do i state or recommend that we “give up”
rather, i suggested that we place our hope and energies in non-legal activities
i do not appreciate having statements attributed to me, even indirectly, which i have not made
to divert one’s statement from its original context, and attach to it general negations not present in the original, such as “no hope” and “give up,” is a tactic with which i am only too familiar in correspondece with feminists and their media sympathizers
for the record, i also refute stevenpauljones’ assurance that “you win by showing strength”
those who find it necessary to show their strength instead admit inherent weakness
you “win” by BEING strong, which is far different from “showing strength”
i am pleased that stevenpauljones has concluded that “it’s time to get up and fight”
lots of folks have been fighting this one for a very long time indeed – where have you been?
i will exit with a theft of my own, this time from bobby d: “something’s happening but you don’t know what it is, do you, mr. jones?”
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Hey, remarksman, I doubt SPJ intentionally "interjected" his response so that yours would look like a response to his. Scott can better explain how the thread system works, but most likely the replies ended up structured that way based on the date/time they were posted, and based on which reply SPJ was replying to (which was probably frank_h's).
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thanks, but i said nothing about “intention” – i have no way of ascertaining intention -- i wanted to make it clear that my post was attached to frank h., not stevenpauljones
if you can decipher intention, then tell me: what was mr. jones’ intention in re-arranging my statement to suit his need, and assigning words to me (“there is no hope”) that i had not used? was that a queing peculiarity also?
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