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I have to hand it to you, Scott. I often wonder how you keep going, with all the work that this site takes and how unrelenting and depressing the anti-male hatred is.
Valentine's Day, once a day of love, is now honored by many women as V-Day, when women get together away from men and celebrate their genitals (Vagina Day). And Father’s Day is supposed to be a day of shame for men. What depresses me the most is the fact that so few men have the intelligence, courage and integrity to oppose such diabolical vileness. (I’m sick of the excuse that women who dare to speak the truth have it easier than men who speak the truth. So what!) Contemporary men who fail to oppose the evils of radical feminism are among the most contemptible fools who’ve ever groveled across the face of the earth.
Guess I’m a little down. I’m gonna go work out. That always helps.
Anyway, thanks for your commitment and stamina, Scott and any coworkers you may have. Though most don’t know it, all good people are deeply indebted to you.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday October 23, @07:49PM EST (#2)
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I am starting a campaign to save the fathers day:
http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/161876
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Hi Thomas. Thanks for the kind words. It *is* depressing to be forced to face the contempt that men are held in every single day, pretty much without exception. But the rewards of seeing this community thrive and take action are immense, and more than compensate for it. Nightmist and Adam have done a lot to help spread out the workload and the readers who submit stories all deserve immense praise and gratitude for making MANN what it is today.
That said, hearing the idea of overshadowing father's day with a day of shame and finding that it's being taken seriously by some did *not* make my day.
Scott
PS - going to the gym is a great way to relieve stress and give your mental state a boost. Kudos to you for doing something like that to feel better!
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday October 23, @08:40PM EST (#4)
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This is terrible. My God, this is the worst thing I have read on this site ever.
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"Asked why innocent men should take the blame for the crimes of others, Ms Ritchie said the message that having sex with children was unacceptable needed to come from men."
Well, geez, there's an idea. I'm behind her completely, until she wants to change Father's Day to Shame Day. What about Dinks Day? I mean, isn't it our dinks that always get us in trouble? And you'd get the double entendre when you think about all the dinks (now I mean jerky guys, not penises) out there giving us good guys a bad reputation.
Let me put my dink away and remove my tongue from my cheek. I understand your frustration, but I refuse to let this kind of thing get me. I love being a man, and I have faith in other men. I can't take this lady seriously for a minute, nevermind worry that she'd actually be successful.
Does that make me one of the men who isn't intelligent enough? Do I have my head in the sand? Some of you might think so, but I believe in the common men criticized in earlier comments. Sometimes I think they have a perspective of the world that educated, politically active men just can't appreciate, and it doesn't mean they're deficient or part of our problem.
I think there are lots of men out there who wouldn't respond with outrage to this woman; they'd just laugh or shake their heads. Sometimes (not all the times, mind you) that's a good thing. Sometimes I think responding lends credibility to people like her, makes her have an audience she doesn't deserve.
When she makes her suggestion, I dismiss her and I think of my Dad and what a good man he is. Then I think of all the other men I know who are good men. I smile when I think of how many there are, and how much they've contributed to my world. By the time I'm finished, I think maybe she deserves a little "thank you" for being the catalyst of this reflection today. I know it's not what she intended, but she gave it to me just the same.
I learned that exercise in compassion by reading the words of the Dalai Lama. Yet another good man.
Life's okay...
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Damn, Rams. I want some o' what you're drinkin'.
;-)
Seriously, that's a really positive outlook, and I admire you for it. I sometimes believe I am incapable of the optimistic road.
However, I completely understand your thoughts of "good men" and how it improves your day. I think of my dad quite a bit when people like Denise Ritchie decide to blow their BS to the media. I think about him, and I think "It's too bad she doesn't know any men like my dad. She might rethink her stupid idea if she did."
These positive thoughts have been reinforced of late by some of the country music to which I have been listening. Anyone heard Confederate Railroad's "That's What Brothers Do?" or Toby Keith's "I Wanna Talk About Me?" Those two songs really pick me up. :) One that DOESN'T pick me up, but DOES, I think, reflect positively on men is "Angry All The Time" by Tim McGraw. It's about a man escaping a destructive relationship.
Gotta say, Rams, your post did brighten my evening.
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Rams,
While your positive outlook is somewhat refreshing, it should be noted that our darling Ms Ritchie isn't alone. Note the photo and caption at the top of the article. Roger McClay, New Zealand Commissioner for Children, said that he would support the idea.
That's the national Commissioner for Children.
BTW, my workout did wonders. I stopped thinking about this crap almost immediately and solved a couple problems that I've been working on in my writing. It was a delightful diversion and I feel much better. One of the best things we can do is encourage each other to eat well, exercise and remember to breath.
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Thank you Nightmist and Adam.
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Hey, won't it be great when they change Mother's Day to a day of shame for all women, when they can comtemplate the harm they do to children - as those of you familiar with these issues will know, it is primarily women who batter and murder children.
I've never understood why I, as a man, am supposed to feel ashamed of bad things other men do. It's not as if I aspire to be like them. Change Father's Day to a national day of shame for men? Uh-huh. And I suppose there'll be special 'Gay Shame' events so the homosexual community can contemplate that section of itself that likes to go to Thailand to f*** ten-year old boys... or will this be a strictly heterosexual affair? And perhaps Hallmark could produce a special range of Men's Shame Day cards. Excuse me, did I get off on the right planet? This is easily the most disgusting idea I've ever heard seriously suggested in public. However, if nobody opposes it and it gets support amongst the kind of cliquey lefty f*ckwits that seem to inhabit certain sections of government and media, it will become a reality. Hey, do you think they'll have little kids in school making Shame Day cards for daddy? I think I'm about to spew over my keyboard.
I've just realised something else. Why Father's Day? You don't have to be a father to have sex with kids. Let's see... which other day of positive celebration of men could they have picked.... hummmm.... oh yes, that's right, there is no other day of positive celebration of men.
Come on, guys, this is gross. I've been thinking for some time about how the men's movement can get itself noticed more. The internet is great, but the downside is that you have to go looking for stuff. There is no 'transmission'. Every day manhating crap is transmitted. I see it on TV, I hear it on the radio, it's in the cinema, newspapers, magazines and books. It's like a million gigantic mouths continually pouring out vomit. It is unavoidable; it's in your face whether you like it or not. Some anti-manhating stuff is getting out there, but it's not enough by far. The internet is not in people's faces; it only lets you preach to the converted. But there is another domain available to everyone for practically nothing, and which is in people's faces. That domain is the street. To be specific, it is any public object. Protest marches have a long history in the motivation of change - and maybe the men's movement needs to do more of that - but there are other things that can be done to create awareness. We may not be able to afford billboards, but every street in the country is lined with lampposts and telephone poles. Walk through any city and you'll see flyers for bands and events. Printing stuff is not very expensive these days - anyone with a home computer and an inkjet printer can do it. Just make the message clear: Stop Hating Men. Incorporate a simple, easily identifiable symbol (not the male symbol, it's not a good shape and it has sexual overtones that may confuse the message). If possible, have colours; nice, vibrant colours that you can see from a mile away. Print up stickers and stick them everywhere, so long as it's a public object not private property. It would take only a second to stick a sticker on something. Your town suffers a nasty outbreak of anti-male DV posters? Stick stickers on every last one. Anyone who looks at that poster will see the 'Stop Hating Men' message. Public toilets? Talk about a captive audience! Stick a sticker on the inside of every cubicle door and above every urinal, and on the mirror. Stop Hating Men. One message, one logo, one colour scheme. Have a web address on the sticker for those who inspect it more closely. Make it simple enough to remember without having to write it down (sorry, www.mensactivism.org is way too long). If the Father's Day thing ever came to pass, don't pander to it (yeah, like I need to tell any of you guys that!). Put on your 'Stop Hating Men' T-shirt, with its easily-identifiable logo and colour scheme, and walk about as if you own the planet. Take no crap from anyone. Being a man is not something to be ashamed of or something that should be automatically associated with child abuse. If people come to believe it is, that'd be the real shame.
Damn; now here I am in the office all steamed up, but my weights are back home. Grrrrrrrrr!
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 24, @09:26AM EST (#10)
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I couldn't help but go to the site and submit the following, "
I will never stand in shame. In America, men are already treated like throw-away sperm doners and then perceived as filth and even persecuted simply for being a man. The concept that I should stand is shame is ludicrous. I was true to my one steady girl in high school, worked hard, went to church, excelled in school and sports - she broke it off with me when we went to college. Later, my first wife threw me out, after I had put her through school and had given her 2 beautiful daughters. Then SHE moved an abuser into the home, and kept my children from me to protect HIM for 6 years! Where's HER SHAME. I had to get through school myself, save some money to get a lawyer and have my visitation enforced - I found out and confronted the abuser, and he left the State. When my older daughter asked to come live with me, and my ex put her in a mental institution - guess what they found - and my ex had the nerve to tell them I was the abuser. Thank God, the doctors could see that this was from years of abuse, and I had been in another State for six years and couldn't have been the abuser, or I would have been pursued and likely jailed - where is HER SHAME? Do you have any idea how many women allow their children to be abused by stepfathers, just so he'll stay with her - where is HER SHAME DAY?
..."Men's Shame Day", what a sick notion that is..."
Men in this country need to know their rights - I wrote a book, In The Children's Best Interest - just published and available now.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday October 24, @09:36AM EST (#11)
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Uberganger has a good idea. I've already made and considered putting on my car a bumper sticker that says, "Stop the Hate: Boys Are *NOT* Inferior." I hesitate because I'm afraid that radfems and their femboys might take sledgehammers to it. Lamp posts, however, hold a special, safer allure.
Our message should have particular focuses at different times, such as Father's Day, but could be broader overall. How about protests against the all male draft? A photo on the left would depict three or four women at an outdoor cafe laughing and drinking wine and a photo on the right would show a man in uniform lying face down in the mud with a hole blown in his back. The caption would read, "The all male draft: She buys; he dies." Another poster might show an older woman (a counterpart to Uncle Sam) pointing her finger with a caption that reads, "Aunt Samantha wants you, to die you non-female scum!"
We could, of course, have posters on Mother's Day declaring it a day of shame for women for all their violence against children.
Best yet, I think we should make Father's Day a day of protest against feminism--the most insidious evil ever devised. (Unfortunately, this would be a problem with the alliance with IFeminism, because of that ugly word "feminism," which gives me severe gastro-intestinal distress.) Why is feminism the most insidious evil ever devised? It is the first example of a hate group raising its victims.
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I like the idea of more publicity for the men's movement. HOWEVER, I think Father's Day should be left alone by both feminists and masculists.
It is intended to be a day for us to honor our dads, and that's all it should be.
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Good point, Nightmist. After further consideration, I agree.
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I think not. Checking the child abuse statistics, mother-child incest doesn't seem to be all that rare, according to the report "Child Maltreatment 1998" from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, available here:
http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cb/publications/c m98/index.htm
Per table 6-1:
http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cb/publications/c m98/c6t1.htm
The perpetrators of sexual abuse of children were:
Female Parent Only - 3.8% of the cases.
Male Parent Only - 22% of the cases.
Both Parents - 12% of the cases.
Female Parent and Other - 11.2% of the cases.
Male Parent and Other - 2.1% of the cases.
So parents were involved in 51.1% of the cases.
Fathers were involved in (22+12+2.1)/51.5=70%.
Mothers were involved in (3.8+12+11.2)/51.5=53%.
So mothers are involved in 53% of incest. While it's lower than fathers' involvment, it certainly not low enough to exclude them from a shame day.
(By the way, to access the websites above you have to remove the space between the 'c' and 'm98'.)
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Make no mistake - to apologize for something is to accept some form of guilt. Ms. Ritchie's obvious line of thinking is that, since it's mostly men who sexually abuse children (or so we hear), there must be something in the male genetic code which predisposes males to molest children - thus all males should apologize to women and children for having this evil code, whether or not all of us manifest it. Basically, then, the intent is to kind of "trick" the male majority into accepting guilt for the crime - thus eliminating the "most men don't do this" counterpoint which clearly chaffs the bigots.
That's why it always disgusts me when I see men recruited to participate in those "Take Back The Night" marches and such; they're purpose is to apologize on behalf of all men for the evil that men do, and to accept part of the blame - not to show that there are "good" men in the world.
The hijacking of Father's Day is further proof of the bigotry of those people who come up with such ideas. It's obvious that it has "bothered" them that there are holidays which honor men, because they are so preoccupied with the "evil" that men do that to honor men is synonymous in their minds with honoring a false deity. Thus, the honoring must be stopped.
I imagine Veteran's Day and Memorial Day will be next on their list - in spite of (and perhaps even more so because of) the current climate in the U.S. right now.
P.S. Uberganger has good ideas. One thing I thought of doing, if you work in an office and have a computer, is putting a pro-male message on your computer's "desktop". Where I work, a female co-worker put a battered-woman poster on her desktop which listed the usual biased stats - and I had to use her computer several times and look at that thing.
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P.S. Uberganger has good ideas. One thing I thought of doing, if you work in an office and have a computer, is putting a pro-male message on your computer's "desktop". Where I work, a female co-worker put a battered-woman poster on her desktop which listed the usual biased stats - and I had to use her computer several times and look at that thing.
Or, you could obtain some free mensactivism.org bumper stickers from Scott and tack them to your bulletin boards, office doors, or just leave them lying out on your desk. Prop them up on your computer screen, even (or just stick them on your car).
I have two mensactivism.org bumper stickers. One is prominently propped up on my desk. The other is prominently tacked up on my bulletin board. It's attracted ALL kinds of attention there.
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Hawth stated, "Where I work, a female co-worker put a battered-woman poster on her desktop which listed the usual biased stats - and I had to use her computer several times and look at that thing."
You should write up, or copy, a brief list of the facts and file a formal complaint against her for creating a hostile environment.
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You should...file a formal complaint against her for creating a hostile environment.
Well, she only had it on her computer for a week, as she changes her desktop image frequently. This was months ago now, and she hasn't used anything remotely gender-themed since, nor had she before - so I'm kind of unsure about what her intentions were at the time. I don't know this woman very well, as we're in separate departments, so I can't say whether she's the bigoted sort. Our workplace is generally very friendly, and so even if it were worthy of a complaint, I would probably resort first to discussing it with her privately. My guess is that if she is bigoted, she'll probably repeat the offense at some point in the future. I'm watching.
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